The horde should have been dismantled after Siege of Orgrimmar ideally

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

It was in no shape to fight back, and yet the alliance decided to not enact on this golden opportunity to end it there. The horde should have been dismantled and carved up for the winners, for the spoils of the war go to the winners. An occupation council should have been instated, and a deindustrialization process to prevent the horde if ever reunited to ever wage war again.
Of course occupational duties take a heavy toll so occupation duties will have to be upheld by troops native to the land until the dehordification process is complete.
The fleet of the horde, whatever is left of it, will be divided up to the winners. So will the rest of the stockpiled supplies and vehicles. Any blueprints will be sold off.
Orgrimmar will be turned into a free neutral city, ripe for trading with road connections to Azshara and Durotar, plus the harbour next to it. So will the island in the middle of Azshara. Silvermoon city will be repaired and grant a concession port to the alliance. The tauren had it hard enough so they'll be left alone and get help with their quilboar problem.

The horde constituents will also have to pay a sum of money and resources for many years forwards to repay the damages they caused the alliance.

[loras]

Yes, but consider the following: They're over half of the playerbase and are half of all available factions.

Also such policies as you describe sound like (large parts of) the treaty of Versailles which led to the rise of nazi Germany, so i'mma assume you mean to mock the idea.

[Ielenia]

You forget this is a game with a two-faction narrative and gameplay going on.

Should the Horde have been dismantled? Logically, from a story perspective, yes, they likely should. However, this would require a massive revamp of the game to accommodate the fact that the Horde faction is no more.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

Yes, but consider the following: They're over half of the playerbase and are half of all available factions.

Also such policies as you describe sound like (large parts of) the treaty of Versailles which led to the rise of nazi Germany, so i'mma assume you mean to mock the idea.

Well it was what would realistically happen to the horde IF the horde would be decisively be defeated like Germany did.

[vipers]

Well it was what would realistically happen to the horde IF the horde would be decisively be defeated like Germany did.

WOW is game not real life and do you think people keep playing if there is no faction anymore what to play

[Varodoc]

Saurfang reflects on this in A Good War:

There had been a stalemate, of sorts, between the Alliance and the Horde for years. Both sides were strong and had forces placed all around the world. No action could be taken without suffering a swift reprisal. That was why Varian Wrynn had decided not to crush the Horde after the Siege of Orgrimmar—he knew how many lives it would have cost his people to see it through. And, in hindsight, it would have meant the death of Azeroth, for it had taken the full strength of both the Horde and the Alliance to ensure the world’s survival.

Saurfang acknowledges that the Alliance had the strength and resources to crush the Horde, but it would've proven very costly -- too costly. It would've left the countries of the Alliance weakened and exhausted, an easy prey for the Iron Horde and then the Legion. That's why Varian decided to offer a truce, even though he had the means to dismantle the Horde as Jaina suggested.

[NorthernDragon]

WOW is game not real life and do you think people keep playing if there is no faction anymore what to play

Actually I imagine removal of factions would be positive for WoW. Faction MMORPGs are outdated, terrible for storytelling, fuels a toxic community and restricts players

[loras]

Well it was what would realistically happen to the horde IF the horde would be decisively be defeated like Germany did.

True enough, though funnily they went nazimode anyway.

[Darth-Piekus]

Saurfang reflects on this in A Good War:



Saurfang acknowledges that the Alliance had the strength and resources to crush the Horde, but it would've proven very costly -- too costly. It would've left the countries of the Alliance weakened and exhausted, an easy prey for the Iron Horde and then the Legion. That's why Varian decided to offer a truce, even though he had the means to dismantle the Horde, as Jaina suggested.

Technically the Iron Horde wouldnt have happened as he would have killed Garrosh right then and there. Even if it happened the Iron Horde were the most pathetic opponents I have ever seen and I doubt they would have done anything spectacular. The Legion though is another story.

[Dancaris]

And Jaina with Vereesa should be in jail for purge of Dalaran?
Same as Genn for breaking the alliance during 2 war.
Same as Varian for invading Undersity?
Or should Kul-Tiras pays Darkspear for 2 invasions?
Or Alliance for supporting Grimtotem?
You see, apart of bad trolling, we play both stories and dont want to lose. Thats why we are rebels, so dont answer for tyrant atrocities.
Lets bring to jail those, who provoke 4th war? Calia, Anduin and Genn? But hey, ita not fair to blame blue team!

[crazyswayzee]

I'm Horde since wotlk but the fourth war is sylvanas fault or not? ������

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

And Jaina with Vereesa should be in jail for purge of Dalaran?
Same as Genn for breaking the alliance during 2 war.
Same as Varian for invading Undersity?
Or should Kul-Tiras pays Darkspear for 2 invasions?
Or Alliance for supporting Grimtotem?
You see, apart of bad trolling, we play both stories and dont want to lose. Thats why we are rebels, so dont answer for tyrant atrocities.
Lets bring to jail those, who provoke 4th war? Calia, Anduin and Genn? But hey, ita not fair to blame blue team!

We should jail everyone. Wipe the slate clean and create a federation of equal peoples.

[Aydinx2]

Saurfang reflects on this in A Good War:



Saurfang acknowledges that the Alliance had the strength and resources to crush the Horde, but it would've proven very costly -- too costly. It would've left the countries of the Alliance weakened and exhausted, an easy prey for the Iron Horde and then the Legion. That's why Varian decided to offer a truce, even though he had the means to dismantle the Horde as Jaina suggested.

That's assuming that those things would've still happened if the Horde was disbanded. Also, the Iron Horde and Legion weren't defeated by collaboration between the two factions, but by a group of heroes and collaboration between classes respectively.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It was in no shape to fight back, and yet the alliance decided to not enact on this golden opportunity to end it there. The horde should have been dismantled and carved up for the winners, for the spoils of the war go to the winners. An occupation council should have been instated, and a deindustrialization process to prevent the horde if ever reunited to ever wage war again.
Of course occupational duties take a heavy toll so occupation duties will have to be upheld by troops native to the land until the dehordification process is complete.
The fleet of the horde, whatever is left of it, will be divided up to the winners. So will the rest of the stockpiled supplies and vehicles. Any blueprints will be sold off.
Orgrimmar will be turned into a free neutral city, ripe for trading with road connections to Azshara and Durotar, plus the harbour next to it. So will the island in the middle of Azshara. Silvermoon city will be repaired and grant a concession port to the alliance. The tauren had it hard enough so they'll be left alone and get help with their quilboar problem.

The horde constituents will also have to pay a sum of money and resources for many years forwards to repay the damages they caused the alliance.

You really forgot this is a game huh?

And not only that, narratively speaking, we are talking about a franchise here, when have you heard of any of those having a sensible end point?

Batman should have permanently dealt with the Joker long ago if that were the case lol.

[Toppy]

Technically the Iron Horde wouldnt have happened as he would have killed Garrosh right then and there. Even if it happened the Iron Horde were the most pathetic opponents I have ever seen and I doubt they would have done anything spectacular. The Legion though is another story.

People often forget that the Iron Horde was ended as a threat litterally in the opening scenario of the entire expansion.

[SirBeef]

Well it was what would realistically happen to the horde IF the horde would be decisively be defeated like Germany did.

There technically should not have been factions in WoW. WC3 made it so that they all could work together.

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People often forget that the Iron Horde was ended as a threat litterally in the opening scenario of the entire expansion.

Well more after BRF. But the initial threat of them invading was.

[Toppy]

There technically should not have been factions in WoW. WC3 made it so that they all could work together.

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Well more after BRF. But the initial threat of them invading was.

"The initial threat of them invading"

So the entire threat? You removed their ability to travel, and they didnt have the means to do it again.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Saurfang reflects on this in A Good War:



Saurfang acknowledges that the Alliance had the strength and resources to crush the Horde, but it would've proven very costly -- too costly. It would've left the countries of the Alliance weakened and exhausted, an easy prey for the Iron Horde and then the Legion. That's why Varian decided to offer a truce, even though he had the means to dismantle the Horde as Jaina suggested.

I don't know if I necessarily buy that excuse. At the time, the Alliance could have dealt with the Horde leaders, all at once. The fragmented Horde would be left without their leaders and likely without reliable lines of communication, as everything seems to somewhat route through Orgrimmar. The Alliance, at this time, would be able to occupy Orgrimmar, utilize the naval defenses that Garrosh setup to defend from the sea, and would now control both the entirety of Northern Kalimador, have the advantage in southern Kalimador thanks to Feathermoon Stronghold, and all of the southern Eastern Kingdoms.

Sieging Thunder Bluff, as always, would be the most difficult; however, their city is both a blessing and a curse. Nearly impossible to siege, but is particularly vulnerable to having their supply lines severed. If the Alliance decided to siege Thunder Bluff, the city would likely take the longest to fall, but would be the least devastating casualty wise as all the Alliance would have to do is ensure that no supplies are able to reach the city.

The Undercity would be in a bind. Their lands are still under assault by the Scourge, the Scarlet Crusade, and would now lose the assistance from the Horde. It would likely be fair to say that the loss of their leader and current problems would lead to them being unable to maintain a presence in Arathi and Gil'neas, likely leading to Alliance occupation in most of the surrounding areas. How a siege of the city would go is a good question, especially given there's no way to actually outlast undead in a siege.

Silvermoon would likely sue for peace, as I can't foresee them mounting an effective offensive through the plaguelands and doubt that they would have the resources to hold out in a protracted war against the Alliance, especially given their lands being as scarred as they are and thus likely sparse on resources.

TL;DR:
The Legion would have eventually come and killed everyone, but I don't think the Horde would have been particularly costly, at least not any more than an ordinary war would be.

[Die]

We can monkey's paw your wish:

In the attempt to annihilate Horde culture in Orgimmar, overzealous alliance factions go too far and sack horde outposts in Ashenvale, causing wide environmental damage that greatly anger the night elves. With their sacred forest now more damaged than ever, Tyrande makes the call to leave the Alliance. Tensions mount, and the First Human-Elf War breaks out. This culminates in Malfurion dropping a massive cyclone on Stormwind, spinning it into the sky and out to sea.

[SirBeef]

"The initial threat of them invading"

So the entire threat? You removed their ability to travel, and they didnt have the means to do it again.

They were still building a force and could invade again. Or did you not play WoD to know this. As long as Garrosh was on AU Draenor, they were still a threat.