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What the world has learned is that America is never more than one election away from losing its goddamned mindMe on Elite : Dangerous | My WoW charactersOriginally Posted by Howard Tayler
No, it was explicitly a lie. They were promised an education, in exchange for a weekend a month. That is not propaganda... That is a lie... I am specifically talking about the reserves...
Hey @Ghostpanther why did you join the military? Was it the patriotism or the promise of an education?
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U.S. Military’s Reliance on the Reserves
https://www.prb.org/usmilitarysrelianceonthereserves/
I know this all is old, but fuck... reserves got fucked for Iraq... this was not people going in high on patriotism...As military reservists continue to constitute nearly 40 percent of the 150,000 U.S. forces now deployed in Iraq, public debate continues to grow about the military’s current reliance on the reserves. Some analysts have even called the military’s consideration of extended call-ups for reservists part of a “back-door” draft. But the widely held expectation that reserve forces will be used sparingly in wartime is contradicted by the history of the reserves and of U.S. military planning.
Reservist deaths high in Iraq
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...-high-in-iraq/
Reservists have accounted for one-quarter of all U.S. deaths since the Iraq war began, but the proportion has grown over time. It was 10 percent for the five weeks it took to topple Baghdad in the spring of 2003, and 20 percent for 2004 as a whole.
The trend accelerated this year. For the first nine months of 2005 reservists accounted for 36 percent of U.S. deaths, and for August and September it was 56 percent, according to Pentagon figures.
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Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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Nah they figured out as a result of Vietnam that overt recruitment strategies of the sort that existed in the first half of the century don't really work with pointless forever wars.
Hence why we have nonsense to the tune of Army recruiters streaming on Twitch trying to advertise to 13 year olds.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
I imagine this would be deeply unpopular. Most democrats would oppose it on principle. And despite their boasting about taking down an armed gunman single-handedly, I doubt most conservatives would willingly sign away 2 years of their life for forced conscription either.
I'd probably vote yes however, in general. I've always been swayed in favor of the arguments for military service, and some of the western countries that do it tend to do everything else well too. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, South Korea, etc. Specifically, I've been swayed by their arguments. They tend to focus on nation building, preparation, and instilling general survival and defense knowledge in their populace. I don't think that's a bad idea, and it gives their people time to earn money and discover themselves in an even playing field, while also working on other skills.
Specifically in America, I'd oppose it. That's just because the state of our armed forces disgusts me. But if it were in a better armed forces, like Canada or the UK, I'd more readily accept it.
“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.”
– C.S. Lewis
One significant reason the US does not draft people anymore is the military itself is vehemently opposed to the draft. Conscripts make very poor soldiers.
Because:
A) we can't afford it.
B) we don't need it.
C) rich kids and pol/military kids would always be able to get out of having to do it or get the positions in the military that are cush while the poor get sent to iraq.
D) Can't build enough jails for all the people who refuse.
Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
To give an answer to the question posed.... Mostly we don't need that many people actively serving at this current time. When we do need more active personal the Reserves are first to be activated followed by National Guard units and then the Selective Service System starts up the draft lottery. There's lots of issues with the current system due to the over reliance on Reserve units though and they've known that since the current system was put in place after Vietnam.
Mandatory military service, fuck no.
Mandatory public service I would be 100% on board with.
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Honestly I was recently considering a career in the navy due to COVID making my other options basically moot, but flipping a coin to determine whether I see my kids in the next 18 months is too much.
Is happily enlist if I knew 100% if be fixing computers in the sub base 5 miles from my house.
The ammount of people in this thread openly supporting slavery is disturbing.
As for OP, USA dont have conscription because they do not need it. Given how bad conscripts are as soldiers in modern warfare, it is only used in countries with immediate security problems, or as a leftover tradition.
mandatory national service was proposed by pete buttigieg, but i think the idea is good to give young people direction and unity in these times, its weird though normally this would be a republican right leaning position, but they all now consider the military the "deep state" and oppose them, iroincally the same position as the actual far left, but i think the center should get behind this idea
Yes, you can blame him. He was not an anti war draft dodger. It’s just another instance of some working class putz, being fucked over by the rich elite. In case you didn’t notice, in the blind faith that he is harming only liberals, Trump shitting on the working class is sort of his thing...
If Trump supporters had the same faith in Pat Tillman as they do in Trump, this world would be a much better place.
That’s my hero...
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Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi