He's right that there's absolutely no possibility a new class is going to be named "tinker", not in 2020. The name alone is too much associated with both silliness/silly business/jokes/shenanigans and mild bigotry (typically towards Irish Travellers - it's not a major issue but it's just another reason to avoid it) to really fly as a whole new class name (rather than an occasionally-used term or verb).
Is there enough material to make a class from the various engineer-ish characters in the game? For sure.
You could have a three-class tank/healer/DPS setup, or tank and two DPS, or whatever. It could even be pretty cool. But it's not going to be called "tinker".
"A youtuber said so."
"... some wow experts being interviewed..."
"According to researchers from Wowhead..."
All I will say is that you should not expect an engaging discussion about Alleria and the Void with a person who has "Alleria Fanboy" on his profile.
You know what else is not reasonable? This:
Also, it is a FACT that undead are not immune to the Void by nature, and it is backed by the SOURCE MATERIAL. This is Domina, an UNDEAD worshipper of the Old Gods leading TWILIGHT'S HAMMER forces in Blackfathom Deeps:"I'm not even going to read your explanation, you clearly don't know anything, you are delusional, bye"
If you check the Twilight's Hammer page on wowpedia, it gives you further undead NPCs working for the organizations too.
So No, this is not a far-fetched claim at all. The far-fetched claim is thinking that ALL undead are immune just because the Scourge ones were, ignoring the fact that the Scourge minions did not have free will and were actually already controlled by a hivemind.
If you had spent time looking up the questline of Mac'aree and racial abilities of Void elves instead of reading my profile, you might have had some ground to stand on.
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The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Anyone know how the Demonic build plays with Shadowlands? I'm going to miss the CD reduction to Metamorphosis and the random addition to Meta-procs with the necklace.
I dunno who you're quoting, but I didn't say what you're claiming I did, i.e.:
"I'm not even going to read your explanation, you clearly don't know anything, you are delusional, bye"
The rest is some argument you were having with someone else, probably whoever said that to you.
"A youtuber said so."
"... some wow experts being interviewed..."
"According to researchers from Wowhead..."
The Winter Queen says explicitly that they made the maw to imprison him. The name might just not make much sense, but then again we don't really know anything about what he did that the other Shadowlands leaders felt he deserved eternal damnation. Or that everything bad that is happening now is indirectly their fault. I'm guessing the other leaders didn't forsee him building an army with souls he converted.
Honestly, I can't see how people can hear Sylvanas go "the logistics of the afterlife are really bad, it's time to restructure" and disagree with that
The Old Gods are parasites of the Void Lords, who see all possibilities and are only doing shit for their own cosmic purpose. Sargeras is doing his shit based off fear, and is basically a more chaotic Illidan. We're seriously lacking the whole "EVIL BAD FORCE" here...
And I kinda hate that.
I assume you are not aware of the many gnomes and goblins using mechsuits for fighting. There was literally a raid boss in this very expansion against High TINKER Mekkatorque.
The class being known as a tinker is probably not as well known, but I feel fairly confident that pretty much every player has at some point seen a mech suit being used by an NPC and wondered what that would be like.
The world revamp dream will never die!
You want zero personality, no character, no purpose evil force? No reasoning, no understanding, pure 100% bland thing you just smack over the head for loot? This is actually first time I saw someone asking for that here. All eh complaints were about not fleshing them out enough. And TBH we had plenty of these already (or close enough, because to fulfil all those bullet points, we would have to fight a pure Fel energy, or something). Yogg and C'thun, regardless of who send them, were just a single minded, corrupting force of destruction. Same with Deathwing.
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Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
This is a 9.0 Discussion thread and Tinkers are not part of this expansion so can we keep that trash nonsense far the fuck away from here?
Nobody is saying that. Even Danuser CONFIRMED we were meant to read problems.
It's because the ethos of him and consequently Sylvanas per the Shadows Rising epilogue is to obliterate creation, not carefully rehabilitate it. The actual positive changes to the Shadowlands are facilitated by us, the players, by opposing radicals of different zone theme stripes (and the Drust that seem underwritten).
This is not to take a political stance personally, but it bears noting the Grey Lady Bad real life allegory of a cult of personality leader that duped a large group into believing in them despite self serving interests in BFA was not subtle coming from a California based corporation.
Neither is an allegory about a system that is not kind to the disenfranchised but is met with a violent breed of nihilism to erase it.
The villain can still be wrong. Or at least the intended text reading can feel that way. Death of the Author and all that.
*Her "true" goal being to obliterate creation is your individual reading of her words
*We're told the mawsworn are being converted & controlled by the Jailer, so completely that they are capable of monologuing about how much they love death & the jailer, so why shouldn't we assume Sylvanas is in a similar situation
*Sylvanas' character is to be secretive & self-reliant. Whom can she trust when all are bound to the Jailer eventually?
*We wouldn't even know that there is a Jailer or that there was a problem with the system of the death if it weren't for Sylvanas' very specific actions
*Sure she could have tried telling people, but A.) no one ever trusted her enough to believe her & B.) Considering we now know the Val'kyr have essentially been her "Handlers" to watch her every move on behalf of the jailer, you start to understand why her actions are inherently perplexing
And finally, & this is the one that firmly places her in "morally ambiguous" territory, which is what the Dev's want.
*What does killing people matter if the larger dilemma is in the realm of the afterlife itself? The world is a prison indeed.
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