Genshin Impact

[TriHard]

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but how is this game not getting shit from the same people that bitch about EA's lootbox shenanigans?
Because in my eyes, this is just as bad as that.

Is it because the game itself is a solid 8-9 while EA's games are like 3-4 ?
Or is it because ppl just look the other way when it suits them?

[blackpink]

I want to point out that this kind of assessment is inherently skewed by the fact that they normally overcharge for primogems by a shitload. All gacha games overcharge baseline.

So you say "Oh $5 for 3000! That's a bargain!" just because it's normally $50. But 3000 primogems is not even 20 pulls. It's most likely going to net you one copy of a single 4-star unit, and it's also going to tether you to the game because you'll need to login every day to collect the rewards or you lose them. Same with the Battle Pass, it's just a method of tethering you to the game so that you don't lose the "value" of your purchase.

It's all super manipulative.

uh...what? That's literally the point of these things. To try to keep you in the game. How the hell is that manipulative.

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Its not pointless. It shows that one of the "worst" characters can do it so you can too.

Not to get too off topic here, but it is pointless. It's like saying, that one guy won the lottery so you can too! Go keep trying! Or a more realistic example: that dude created a multi billion dollar company starting with nothing, so you can too!

[KrayZ33]

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but how is this game not getting shit from the same people that bitch about EA's lootbox shenanigans?
Because in my eyes, this is just as bad as that.

Is it because the game itself is a solid 8-9 while EA's games are like 3-4 ?
Or is it because ppl just look the other way when it suits them?

Because it's F2P and EA games are usually not?
Expectations etc.

[blackpink]

EDIT: i would like character xp to be more easily farmable without the books/leylines. Not braindead easy, but give me a repeatable thing i can do to level up the alt characters basically (as i'm gonna burn the books on main ones anyway). The rest (weapons, artifacts) are fine as it is imho.

I would like a more fun way to make mystic enhancement ore. Going around mining is not fun (and really does not produce much ore for the time spent tbh). I think right now my main "block" is the ores. I generate a huge amount of other mats but ores are always running out. Doesn't help that my 5* weapon requires so much to level up.

[BeepBoo]

uh...what? That's literally the point of these things. To try to keep you in the game. How the hell is that manipulative.

Lolwut? How is it NOT manipulative? Gachas are built from the ground up to encourage you to spend just a *little* more money so you can get what you REALLY want!

Attempting to change a game into part of your life routine with systems like energy, daily login bonuses, etc, is altering how a user might have played, thus it is manipulation of the user's default MO.

Not to get too off topic here, but it is pointless. It's like saying, that one guy won the lottery so you can too! Go keep trying! Or a more realistic example: that dude created a multi billion dollar company starting with nothing, so you can too!

This is not a proper substitution argument and is a false equivalency.

A better substitution would be "Someone drove their honda civic around the nurburg ring, so you can too!"

Yes, you technically can, but that is irrelevant.
1) not everyone has the skill to do this. Having a true powerful top tier character means having an easier time because those characters are more powerful. Some people need crutches to get to what others are capable of.
2) This is the big one for me: who tf cares what something CAN be done with in a video game? I want to do it with what ***I*** want to do it with and be successful.

[blackpink]

Ok so the 5* weapon must be making a gigantic difference. I don't think Razor is that strong. He does like 5x more dmg than my other characters. It's ridiculous. And my razor isn't exactly built optimally in artifacts either.

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Lolwut? How is it NOT manipulative? Gachas are built from the ground up to encourage you to spend just a *little* more money so you can get what you REALLY want!

Attempting to change a game into part of your life routine with systems like energy, daily login bonuses, etc, is altering how a user might have played, thus it is manipulation of the user's default MO.

If you think companies put this stuff in for your benefit, you're really naive. I'm not even talking about gacha games, just in general. Whenever companies put in stuff like this, it's purely in attempt to keep you in the game. So with that logic, the entire world is manipulative. cool.

This is not a proper substitution argument and is a false equivalency.

A better substitution would be "Someone drove their honda civic around the nurburg ring, so you can too!"

Yes, you technically can, but that is irrelevant.
1) not everyone has the skill to do this. Having a true powerful top tier character means having an easier time because those characters are more powerful. Some people need crutches to get to what others are capable of.
2) This is the big one for me: who tf cares what something CAN be done with in a video game? I want to do it with what ***I*** want to do it with and be successful.

Well I don't see how it's not a proper substitution argument. You don't know about the zillion startups who pursue that because they saw that one guy who did it? They are thinking, that guy did it, so why can't I? It's stupid. Just cuz one guy did it, doesn't mean anything. The lottery thing ok, prob bad example I give you that :P

[BeepBoo]

If you think companies put this stuff in for your benefit, you're really naive. I'm not even talking about gacha games, just in general. Whenever companies put in stuff like this, it's purely in attempt to keep you in the game. So with that logic, the entire world is manipulative. cool.

It's not, because there are examples of things that allow you fulfillment and don't rely on predatory practices to get you to stick around, even in the online gaming world.

For example, LoL. You can play as little or as much as you want and the only thing that typically stands between your fulfillment is either enemy players or your own skills. Plenty of PvP games like that. The only things they do have are convenience items basically no one buys and don't ACTUALLY limit you in any meaningful way if you don't have them or skins. Things that have absolutely 0 impact on the game or on how much you want to play it.

Well I don't see how it's not a proper substitution argument. You don't know about the zillion startups who pursue that because they saw that one guy who did it? They are thinking, that guy did it, so why can't I? It's stupid. Just cuz one guy did it, doesn't mean anything. The lottery thing ok, prob bad example I give you that :P

It's not a proper substitution because you're relying on one key factor that doesn't apply to the original example: luck.

The dude who got amber isn't lucky. She's a default character. He simply played the game, got to the correct AR level, got enough resources, etc. The only thing that player has over anyone else might be god-rolled artifacts (which you can't whale in this game, and likely wouldn't have mattered THAT much anyways) and a lot more skill.

Again, you're saying someone is accomplishing goals with luck or hugely more resources acquired by luck. The genshin impact equivalent of that would be a very lucky F2P who got a lot of 5*s from their free rolls. Not someone using pleb tier characters that you are guaranteed to get.

I digress. More to your original point, I'd definitely agree that... yeah... most online games that rely on anything other than new novel content delivery to keep their players playing are predatory...

[Big Thanks]

@BeepBoo

Are you trying to start a discussion about "Gacha games shouldnt exist and are predatory"?
I agree and is a shame a game this good is a gacha...

But i feel like some people enjoy the gacha mechanic. People with money i assume.

The game so far is free to play friendly though. A lot.

[Yunru]

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but how is this game not getting shit from the same people that bitch about EA's lootbox shenanigans?
Because in my eyes, this is just as bad as that.

Is it because the game itself is a solid 8-9 while EA's games are like 3-4 ?
Or is it because ppl just look the other way when it suits them?

If you read a bit of posts back you will see a lot of it. Yeah it may have lootboxes, but you get so much currency at start of game you can easy get a 2x5 stars (and later). Wich is more than enogh for free to play. But if you want more you gota pay. (yes that tactic its pretty shitty, but at least you dont spend 70 dolars on a game with lootboxes only progress -- EA cough cough)

Lootboxes are shit, no1 likes them and best you can do is whine to your politicans to change things.

Oh and also game is not being shit also kinda works.
Also, people need to remember this game is a service. Once it shuts down, all their waifus will be gone forever. Unless laws change and publishers needs to make their games playeable offline in future.

[Temp name]

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but how is this game not getting shit from the same people that bitch about EA's lootbox shenanigans?
Because in my eyes, this is just as bad as that.

Is it because the game itself is a solid 8-9 while EA's games are like 3-4 ?
Or is it because ppl just look the other way when it suits them?

Free to play games be free to play
EA games be not that.

And unlike EA's games, this isn't a pvp game, so you having double someone else's damage largely doesn't matter

[Coldkil]

Free to play games be free to play
EA games be not that.

And unlike EA's games, this isn't a pvp game, so you having double someone else's damage largely doesn't matter

Basically this. Hell, it's even better if your friend is a whale, you can join him and have him wreck everything for you without spending a dime.

I am at BP30, but i also played not really much. I'm torn if the 10 bucks pass is worth it - i know it's a lot of mats, but really, i don't feel i need them. If i was able to do all 50 levels then it would be more compelling.

The weapons though are bullshit since you cannot (for now) find duplicate to refine them.

[everydaygamer]

Basically this. Hell, it's even better if your friend is a whale, you can join him and have him wreck everything for you without spending a dime.

I am at BP30, but i also played not really much. I'm torn if the 10 bucks pass is worth it - i know it's a lot of mats, but really, i don't feel i need them. If i was able to do all 50 levels then it would be more compelling.

The weapons though are bullshit since you cannot (for now) find duplicate to refine them.

If you're already at BP 30 then it's definitely worth it for the 4* weapon.

[kenn9530]

The first 20 days, yes !
You can look for chests, etc.

After 20 days, nothing you can do.
The chests don't respawn.
Right now, I just login for half hour.
Every 3 days, I farm for ores.

chests do respawn at different rates, many chests i have already done have respawned so there is always something to do, its not a game you need to play 10 hours a day and its still only a small portion of what will be available in the game, the player will be able to switch between every element but just has access to 2 atm so the game should increase at least 2 times in size.

[Big Thanks]

Free to play games be free to play
EA games be not that.

And unlike EA's games, this isn't a pvp game, so you having double someone else's damage largely doesn't matter

Until you realize its only free to play because is part of the scheme for most profit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4&t=3m45s

Lets just hope this company is good and caring to its fans and free-to-play players <3 we can only hope

[Kathranis]

And unlike EA's games, this isn't a pvp game, so you having double someone else's damage largely doesn't matter

I'd be surprised if they don't implement asymmetrical pvp and ranking events where rewards are determined by your performance compared to other players. They're pretty standard gacha systems.

[BeepBoo]

@BeepBoo

Are you trying to start a discussion about "Gacha games shouldnt exist and are predatory"?
I agree and is a shame a game this good is a gacha...

My position is hard to describe. What I want is for people to be free to do what they want and also not be disappointed by the decisions they make. Gacha games are akin to walking off a 100' cliff. Humanity KNOWS it's bad to do that, collectively. Yet, apparently there are still enough idiots out there who will gladly pay someone to open a metaphorical "walk off this cliff" park and enable that to be a successful business endeavor.

But i feel like some people enjoy the gacha mechanic. People with money i assume.

See my example. There is a non-zero amount of people who also think the world is flat. There are people who are addicted to casinos, drugs, etc.

It would be one thing if this game flopped relatively hard (at least in the western market) like a lot of other mobile/gacha games. But it's not. It's hugely successful and raking in metric fuck tons of cash. People should know the game is predatory, and they're either indifferent to that fact or ignorant of it, and enabling the practice to continue either way. Ergo, I am disappoint (once again) at humanity's lack of restraint.

The game so far is free to play friendly though. A lot.

I hardly call being limited to 30 minute play sessions of meaningful progression "friendly."

[Kathranis]

Until you realize its only free to play because is part of the scheme for most profit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4&t=3m45s

Lets just hope this company is good and caring to its fans and free-to-play players <3 we can only hope

They offer a lot of content for free but the monetization and rates are the most aggressive I've seen. I'll be curious to see what the game looks like in three months when more people hit the grinding wall and primogems get scarce. How frequently they can implement new regions is going to be really important.

[Big Thanks]

I hardly call being limited to 30 minute play sessions of meaningful progression "friendly."

The "resin mechanic" isnt friendly for people who pay either You can only refil 5 times +60 resin (if im not mistaken)
So i assume this is a mechanic to 1) make money 2) blue ball people's progression so they stay hooked for longer.

Maybe they will find a new system in the future...

[masterhorus8]

The "resin mechanic" isnt friendly for people who pay either You can only refil 5 times +60 resin (if im not mistaken)
So i assume this is a mechanic to 1) make money 2) blue ball people's progression so they stay hooked for longer.

Maybe they will find a new system in the future...

And 3) keep people from clearing the limited quantity of content that currently exists.

It is very expected that this system will update as more content is released.

[BeepBoo]

Imagine continuing to post in a thread for days or weeks just to keep trying to tell people who play the game how stupid you think they are.

Breh I'm also still playing the game? I'm just not simpling for the game like it's not predatory. Imagine defending a gacha game, no matter how "good" the non-gacha aspects are. I just want people to begrudgingly play the game the way they should instead of being like "nah, all this predatory bullshit is fine! Game is great as is!"

Yeah, the game combat is fun. The characters are enjoyable, if not basic tropes. The world is pretty and can be interesting. The story is good enough. But the fucking limitations and monetization practices are literal devil tier scumbag shit. As expected from a chinese market game.