Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Forogil]

Michigan needs less than 2K votes between the two to trigger a recount.

To set the record straight: an automatic recount is triggered when it's 2,000 votes or less between the two - a manual one can be requested (as last time) and paid for by the requester, https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Michigan

[Breccia]

and paid for by the requester,

So, that rules out Trump, then.

[DingDongKing]

To set the record straight: an automatic recount is triggered when it's 2,000 votes or less between the two - a manual one can be requested (as last time) and paid for by the requester, https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Michigan

It's still hilarious that no GOP person asked for ANY recounts during 2016. Funny eh. Still also mystifies me why Clinton didn't for MI/PA/I.

Also, when was the last time Trump paid for anything...

[Shalcker]

Rural America hates urban America. Urban USA is every bad thing, to rural USA. Rural USA wants to get all the attention and all the focus, and feels they deserve it, even though they're neither economically nor demographically significant enough to justify such a focus.

Urban America, on the other hand, generally just doesn't even think about rural America, like, at all. They've got bigger concerns going on. It pretty much only crops up for them during election cycles when talking heads bring up the divide again. There isn't even any bad blood or antagonism towards rural America; it literally just doesn't come up.

It's very much like the M. Bison line; "for you, it was the worst [policies] of your lives. For me, it was Tuesday." Rural America simply cannot grasp that they get the amount of focus and attention they deserve. Which is a fraction of what the rest of America gets, yes. Because rural America is that small a fraction of the total nation. People matter, people vote. Land doesn't vote. Stop making that mistake.

Their vote matter though, and thus in democracy they should get the attention their vote warrants. And if the only ones giving attention to them are Republicans then they'll be the ones who will get their vote.

Thinking that economic and demographic force behind something is entire thing deciding their worth is quite fascist thing to do; think how same line of reasoning would look like if you would change "rural" to "black".

[beanman12345]

None of those states have automatic recounts just for being close. However, it is assumed that recounts will be requested in most of those places, and it is either 1% or 0.5%.

Recounts do not generally change the result however. Vote counting tends to be really accurate, and doing it again doesn't usually change anything. As far as dragging it out in the courts, you have to actually have something to challenge. Right now there aren't a lot of contenders for that being thrown around. You can't sue because you think you should have won if the votes say you didn't, you actually have to point to something specifically that caused you to lose illegitimately.

I think at this point the only legal argument that might go anywhere is the pennsylvania votes that are received after nov3. and even that is a might since it was turned down twice by SCOTUS.

[alexw]

None of those states have automatic recounts just for being close. However, it is assumed that recounts will be requested in most of those places, and it is either 1% or 0.5%.

Recounts do not generally change the result however. Vote counting tends to be really accurate, and doing it again doesn't usually change anything. As far as dragging it out in the courts, you have to actually have something to challenge. Right now there aren't a lot of contenders for that being thrown around. You can't sue because you think you should have won if the votes say you didn't, you actually have to point to something specifically that caused you to lose illegitimately.

Recounts usually add up to a couple hundred votes to one side or the other. Bidens margins are far too large to be overcome like that. Even if they aren't that high in % terms.

[Hobb]

Would love to see a manual recount in the North Carolina, by hand, and all of a sudden see the results look total different than the machine driven ones to prompt an investigation into the machines.

I wouldn't doubt it if a recount happens in NC. After all last night the machines awarded 30,000 votes to Trump that were meant for Biden.

[fwc577]

I don't think you know how math works.

538 had a great video about polling error.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/w...rfeaturedvideo

The current map for polling error worse than 2016 looks a lot like the map we're looking at today.

But in their worse case scenario, they gave Pennsylvania and Georgia to Trump.

The electoral college is what skews this to look crazier than it is.

If we get some late upsets here and Biden can sweep what is left, we're looking at 321 to 217 for Biden. That looks like a landslide even though the margins were razor thin in many places.

Final vote totals are probably going to look like:

Biden - 75m
Trump - 69m

[Belize]

To set the record straight: an automatic recount is triggered when it's 2,000 votes or less between the two - a manual one can be requested (as last time) and paid for by the requester, https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Michigan

I mean yeah, they can request a recount, but we were talking about automatic recounts.

[Breccia]

Dems keep House, GOP holds key Senate seats, NBC News projects

Trump's going to have a hard four years if he can't get any bills passed. He'll still fire Fauci and still directly murder hundreds of thousands of Americans, and most importantly, hide from prosecution from all those things he did.

But at least the country won't erupt into flames. More of a smoldering pile of ashes.

[Draco-Onis]

Uhhhh how old were you in the early aughts?

The "Cult of W" was a fucking thing. He took Evangelicals to new heights.

I was in my 20s, Trump has a stronger following than Bush you have to consider all the shit this guy has said and done in office. He has literally killed hundreds of his supporters even prominent ones like Herman Caine and old people in wheelchairs are still going to his rallies.

[Fugus]

NC still has a week of postals to come in and given how Trumps lackey has slowed USPS to a crawl Biden still might win it.

I truly hope so, I know they are slowed greatly. I get my medication from the VA in the mail many times, they alternate between USPS and UPS, and have had it take 2+ weeks before my medications arrived after applying for a refill and I know it didn't take the VA that long to send it.

[Forogil]

So, that rules out Trump, then.

Similarly as last time it will, of course, be someone else like Jo Jorgensen requesting it.

/s

[Greyvax]

I know that MMOC is a hyper liberal echo chamber, but so many people here said that Biden would win a landslide victory.

It appears, that more people want to keep america great than you all thought.

[Fugus]

I wouldn't doubt it if a recount happens in NC. After all last night the machines awarded 30,000 votes to Trump that were meant for Biden.

Where is a link for that?

[Draco-Onis]

Dems keep House, GOP holds key Senate seats, NBC News projects

Trump's going to have a hard four years if he can't get any bills passed. He'll still fire Fauci and still directly murder hundreds of thousands of Americans, and most importantly, hide from prosecution from all those things he did.

But at least the country won't erupt into flames. More of a smoldering pile of ashes.

No harder than the last 2 as he has shown he can do a ton of damage using his powers of the presidency and a GOP that won't challenge him grabbing more and more power unto himself if he wins.

[Thekri]

I think at this point the only legal argument that might go anywhere is the pennsylvania votes that are received after nov3. and even that is a might since it was turned down twice by SCOTUS.

That particular case is settled. There is no way the Supreme Court is going to look at it again, they just did it last week.

[Breccia]

Similarly as last time it will, of course, be someone else like Jo Jorgensen requesting it.

/s

Don't cross that off, it's a valid risk.

But the questions with recounts will be, based on the nature of 2020, what mistakes would be made that would change that much? You know every poor, overworked election official is crossing every T and dotting every I.

[Forogil]

I mean yeah, they can request a recount, but we were talking about automatic recounts.

True, but I also wanted to correct that even with a difference of exactly 2,000 an automatic recount will be triggered.

[Belize]

It appears, that more people want to keep america great than you all thought.

More people wanted Trump out.