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Perhaps not, but imagine you're running at state in which the majority demonstrably voted for Biden and you choose to throw that away without evidence.Originally Posted by Die
It's a real risk.
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2020-11-05, 05:46 PM #27121The Undying
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2020-11-05, 05:46 PM #27122Banned
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Again, the key point here is there is nothing in the Constiution nor state laws for these state legislators from just suddenly deciding that these ballots are too corrupted to trust and then sending a different set of electors. Absolutely nothing.
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2020-11-05, 05:46 PM #27123Pandaren Monk
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Nate Silver saying Nevada is probably callable at this point.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blo...ults-coverage/
That means Biden wins with only one of either AZ or PA now.
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2020-11-05, 05:46 PM #27124Banned
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Trump and civility and losing with grace. Originally Posted by Thekri
LOL. HAHAHAHA.
The day Trump concedes is the day he is dragged out kicking and screaming while being restrained for his own safety.
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2020-11-05, 05:47 PM #27125The Lightbringer
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A little theory on why NV is taking so long to call (at least from the media)
Apparently calling Arizona early put Fox and AP in a hole. Declare NV and have to undeclare AZ, or call NV and then Biden President.If Nevada is decisively Biden, as now seems likely, and everyone calls it, Fox is going to have a crazy tense decision about uncalling Arizona. Because, if they don't, they got to call the whole thing.
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2020-11-05, 05:48 PM #27126Banned
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I bet you one internet point Biden takes Georgia. Originally Posted by Mihalik
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2020-11-05, 05:48 PM #27127Banned
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But a lot of these states have razor thin margins. Originally Posted by Breccia
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2020-11-05, 05:48 PM #27128Titan
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Biden also wins with GA. Trump literally needs all 3 remaining states to win it. Originally Posted by Drutt
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2020-11-05, 05:48 PM #27129Immortal
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Except the rules by which each state runs their elections, none of which say "the legislature can simply decide "fuck it, we're electing our guy." Originally Posted by Die
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2020-11-05, 05:48 PM #27130Void Lord
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Nate Silver can shut the fuck up... Originally Posted by Drutt
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
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2020-11-05, 05:49 PM #27131Pandaren Monk
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2020-11-05, 05:49 PM #27132Legendary!
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Only yes, there absolutely is. Originally Posted by Die
That is 100% not going to happen. If Trump wants to overturn the results at a state level, he has to disqualify a large enough section of democratic ballots to flip the state to him (Or alternatively add Red Ballots, which is a lot harder). That is why he is pushing so hard to eliminate mail in ballots received after the election. They won't be enough to flip anything blue, but they do make it harder for him to get across the threshhold in key states like Arizona.
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2020-11-05, 05:49 PM #27133Banned
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PA and AZ have GOP state legislatures. Both of them could just decide to send the GOP set of electors and make Trump president if they decide the ballots are too corrupt.
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2020-11-05, 05:49 PM #27134Mechagnome
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The irony of Fox News being the first calling Biden as President would be so sweet.
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2020-11-05, 05:50 PM #27135Bloodsail Admiral
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With the way the numbers are shaping up I don't think the Trump legal challenges are going to go very far. If the overall electoral college vote were closer, and/or if the states were much closer that angle might have a chance. But recounts and court challenges aren't going to gain him 4 states where he's far behind. I think it's probably time better spent now looking ahead to the reality.
The House will remain democrat, but the Senate that McConnell had all but written off as losing will stay GOP, and Biden will be President. For Democrats, it's bittersweet since while winning the WH is a huge deal, this has been an eye opening election.
So takeaways -
1. The Demo party leadership is a complete dumpster fire right now. Over the past 4 years the President and Senate flippped the bird to bipartisanship and railed vocally and in action against every single minority group in this country; women, Hispanics, Blacks, LGBT, Muslims, etc. This should have been their bread and butter time to fire up their voters. Plus, they underperformed badly in the last 2 election cycles in 2016 and 2018 and still have not solved those problems now for the 3rd election cycle in a row.
2. The US has been trending towards conservatism for 20 years, and this election was another confirmation of that. The GOP party has strengthened while Democrats weakened. The Supreme Court going 6-3 hasn't happened overnight. So it should be very concerning for Democrats that they have lost ground during this time vs. a GOP that isn't working with them if not hostile.
3. Biden winning will undo most of Trump's executive orders over the past 4 years, and Biden can do his own. But with the Senate GOP and not interested in partisanship, like 2012-2016 nothing will be passed through Congress. The House will pass symbolic bills to pass along to the Senate, but they'll die there. It will be fighting tooth and nail just to get basics like annual budgets passed.
4. Poll inaccuracy also is a big takeaway. Whether that's people not answering polls honestly, or failings in the poll taking, there were many that were not very accurate this year. Some big races had results 15 points off of where final polls were. That shouldn't happen. It will be on pollster companies to adjust and improve their polling, otherwise their numbers are kind of meaningless.
5. The Supreme Court will be interesting. What if there is a vacancy in February? Does McConnell sit on it until 2024?
Democracy in the US is just broken right now since one of the foundations it's built on is that it assumes Congressional members regardless of party will do what's right for the country first. But we're in the dangerous territory now of party over country, ex. "count our votes, but not theirs!".Last edited by Biglog; 2020-11-05 at 05:55 PM.
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2020-11-05, 05:50 PM #27136Immortal
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Again, no, they can't. Originally Posted by Die
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2020-11-05, 05:50 PM #27137Banned
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No offense... But Nate Silver really need to eff off. I'm not saying polling, projecting etc aren't important and useful, it just that Nate Silver is slowly becoming someone who is professionally wrong. Originally Posted by Drutt
Yes, I think Nevada will go Biden if the trends hold, still Nate Silver needs to go away, this has been waaaaay to close for comfort and him and his projections have a lot to do with the overconfidence people went into this, and that might have had negative effects on how the campaigning was being done.
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2020-11-05, 05:51 PM #27138Titan
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I think they'd be giving themselves too much credit. NV isn't going to not count votes just because a couple of media outlets might have jumped the gun with AZ... They could be waiting to see what happens in PA and AZ, however. Originally Posted by Redwyrm
My personal conspiracy for this whole things is that Republican officials in these states are intentionally dragging their feet to give Trump time to do...something. But that's just me being a dumbass, and probably has little basis in reality.
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2020-11-05, 05:51 PM #27139Banned
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Yes they can. Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul
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2020-11-05, 05:51 PM #27140The Undying
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Philly has had a long tradition of handling dictators. This would be an insanely bad idea. Originally Posted by Die
