Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Timester]

So, around 200k votes left in Arizona. Biden only needs 40% of them to keep the state.

[Hobb]

Can Trump run a media empire from prison?

Somehow I see Trump writing pardons for his family and friends then quitting the presidency so Pence can write one for Trump himself. All just before Jan 20th arrives.

[kaelleria]

Well, the thing is that they called it Tuesday night, before even all the in-person votes were counted.

The math for AZ was in on election night. Biden was running ahead of Sinema by a lot in Maricopa.

Then you throw in historical trends and you'd have been able to figure out trump wasn't going to be able to catch up.

[Thekri]

Ah sorry, didn't catch that.

Again, I agree with your second point. The ballots still exist, so "just count them again" shouldn't change the results. And if there was fraud, well, that's a felony. But I don't think that's going to happen.

Absolutely. If there was systemic fraud in Philadelphia that gave the state to Biden, that should absolutely be caught. Only there is exactly zero reason to think that is true, because Philadelphia voted for Biden at lower margins then they did for Hillary. The state tipped because Biden performed better in red and purple counties, he actually slightly underperformed in Philly.

So there is absolutely no reason to believe there was any sort of significant fraud, so a recount will show the exact same result. Same thing in Wisconsin. The numbers all make sense, and if anything they are a bit more red then most people were expecting. So there will be a recount, but recounts aren't new elections. If you have 5 apples, and you count them 1000 times, you should count five every single time unless you really suck at counting.

[Kallisto]

Somehow I see Trump writing pardons for his family and friends then quitting the presidency so Pence can write one for Trump himself. All just before Jan 20th arrives.

All the states when they see that "Oh that's nice sweety but that has no power us." and start pushing state level criminal investigations.

[Machismo]

Somehow I see Trump writing pardons for his family and friends then quitting the presidency so Pence can write one for Trump himself. All just before Jan 20th arrives.

I mean... for what crimes?

Since they haven't been charged, it cannot really be done.

Ironically enough, since he cannot be charged as a sitting President, that plan is impossible.

[Kaleredar]

Somehow I see Trump writing pardons for his family and friends then quitting the presidency so Pence can write one for Trump himself. All just before Jan 20th arrives.

Even if he does that, he can’t pardon them/himself of state crimes.

[passingthrew]

Anyone have that spiderman pointing pic of the map? Cant seem to find it

[Breccia]

McConnell finally speaks up, mimics Pence ("every legal vote should be counted") then flees.

[Kaleredar]

I mean... for what crimes?

Since they haven't been charged, it cannot really be done.

Ironically enough, since he cannot be charged as a sitting President, that plan is impossible.

Well, Nixon was pardoned by Ford with a “get out of jail free” in essence as Nixon had also not been accused, so it can be done... for federal crimes. His pardons have zero effect on state crimes. Like, say, tax evasion in New York.

And it’s worth noting that Nixon was only being implicated in one thing, really. Trump and his coconspirators are being implicated in a very large number of things that a general pardon would probably not work for.

[Themius]

Tell me more about Bernie and progressive messaging working -

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...174294017?s=09

Don't ignore exit polls

Exit polling showed that people vastly preferred Bernie's policies however people didn't feel he could actually win.

[Machismo]

Well, Nixon was pardoned by Ford with a “get out of jail free” in essence as Nixon had also not been accused, so it can be done... for federal crimes. His pardons have zero effect on state crimes. Like, say, tax evasion in New York.

And it’s worth noting that Nixon was only being implicated in one thing, really. Trump and his coconspirators are being implicated in a very large number of things that a general pardon would probably not work for.

You make a good point, thanks.

[Kaleredar]

Don't ignore exit polls

Exit polling showed that people vastly preferred Bernie's policies however people didn't feel he could actually win.

I think this whole Bernie/Biden thing is getting in the weeds a bit, but for what it’s worth... look at Florida as a microcosm. Those policies were more popular and succeeded, but the candidate the republicans fought tooth and nail to paint as a socialist did not.

[Demolitia]

Biden: 73,875,288 (50.5%)
Trump: 69,771,003 (47.7%)
The Healer: 2,556,313 (1.7%)

Thanks !

[Deja Thoris]

Bidens lead up to 22k in nevada. He got 60% of the last batch.

[Themius]

I think this whole Bernie/Biden thing is getting in the weeds a bit, but for what it’s worth... look at Florida as a microcosm. Those policies were more popular and succeeded, but the candidate the republicans fought tooth and nail to paint as a socialist did not.

Right, because it isn't about policy or substance. It's about image and feelings.

Bernie "democratic socialist scary" and that's all it took.

[Xeones]

Honestly be surprised if NV isn't called soon.

[Breccia]

Fight for Senate majority boils down to Georgia

Democrats are pinning their hopes on being able to force a 50-50 Senate on a narrow, uphill path that requires them to win both seats in the typically red state. If Democratic nominee Joe Biden wins the White House, a 50-50 margin would hand them the majority because Vice President Kamala Harris could break a tie.

Democrats know they will have a chance to win one race in a runoff on Jan. 5, when GOP Sen. Kelly Loeffler will face Democratic nominee Raphael Warnock.

[alexw]

Honestly be surprised if NV isn't called soon.

Everyone is waiting on Fox News to be first.

[gondrin]

Honestly be surprised if NV isn't called soon.

Well, at the slow rate it is going, it could turn into a Dragonball Z fight.