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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaaz View Post
    I have doubts about any vaccine to Covid-19. Not because I am skeptical about vaccines in general, but because the virus bears close resemblance to flu or common cold. If humanity could produce a vaccine to a fast mutating virus that changes 2-3 times a year, we no longer would be suffering from seasonal flu epidemics that kill hundreds of thousand of people every year.
    As Pacox said: it's essentially a new technology, so if we manage to make it usable, we don't know yet what is possible in the years down the road.

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    All I hope is to be back to normal by Summer 2021, would be amazing if we can get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    CEO of Pfizer went to the same university as I did, I'm also skeptical
    Good thing then that the vaccine was not developed by Pfizer, but by BioNTech

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.

    In a beautiful twist of fate, Pfizer did not take any money from Operation Warp Speed. Could mean that not only won't Trump get any default credit in the history books for ending the pandemic during his administration (it won't be "over" until well into Biden's), his Operation Warp Speed may not be given historical credit either!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...gtype=Homepage

    thats hilarious, everyone on twitter is like " thanks trump for the vaccine!"
    but they werent even part of the admin lul, you know if this was a dem they would be talking about how bad government is and how the private sector is superior, but since they are full trumpers nationalist socialism has to be their path

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    It's actually really sad how so many newspapers just praise Pfizer when the vaccine was not even developed by them

    This is huge and if it works out, a big thanks to BioNTech for normalizing the world again!
    I hope you get more recognition in the coming weeks.

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    I just hope everyone is not jumping the gun here.
    Based on everything I read there is not a lot of detail around the trials released yet.

    Can't wait for the conspiracies to start about this announcement a week after the elections.

    90% effective, not when half the country won't take it by the time the conspiracies get a hold of it

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Whoever tests for coronavirus automatically enters a daily lottery which may award 3k USD, unclear how many such prizes per day will be there.

    Starting next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    All I hope is to be back to normal by Summer 2021, would be amazing if we can get there.
    It won't. German medical personnel warns that Corona will not be over quickly.
    We will have to deal with this virus the next Christmas and the one after that.

    Whether that will be a "deal with" similar to the flu or whether shit will still hit the fan, is anyone's guess at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Can't help but feel sorry for everyone living, well, everywhere else at the moment. I'm watching the reports coming in from the US and Europe and can't comprehend just how bad it is there.

    Australia is back on the very cusp of wiping it out over here, all thanks to closing down the borders very early on but also lockdowns.

    As it stands right now thee are just 89 active cases in the whole country, largely quarantine after having returned from overseas. There are only 19 people in hospital and just 1 in ICU.

    And as for lockdowns, they work very well when done properly. The state of Victoria, and specifically the capital Melbourne, got hit by a second wave that saw cases spice seventy-fold at its height. Despite protests from a handful of covidiots, they went into a really heavy lockdown that lasted four months. During that period they accounted for around 90% of all Australian cases and deaths.

    But right now, as they open up again, they have gone 10 days in a row now without a single new case or death.

    And the economy didn't collapse either. The federal government has been subsidising wages for a very large number of people as well as increasing unemployment benefits, which kept things going. As everything opens up again, those are slowly being phased out. Of course that has racked up a large debt but that is a small price to pay for keeping the nation safe.
    Speaking as someone in the US, most peoples day to day hasn't changed much except during that "essential" only period months ago, aside from wearing a mask (my county requires one and every store has signs saying fuck off or wear a mask) like everything is open, traffic is unreal, people still crowd in downtown areas for events and whatnot and everything seems pretty normal, like if I walk outside right now it looks like it did 2 years ago, the sky isn't filled with smoke, roads aren't loaded with burned out cars with infected bodies laying all over, I was in the ER in the middle of June and asked a nurse about Corona and she said "yeah, we've seen a few cases come through here" there was only like 3 people in the waiting area.

    Still think the mask thing should be nationwide which I'm assuming it will be once the evil Biden gets into office, a bunch of twats will complain, this time though we will have actual people who believe in science on the (Bidens) rona taskforce rather than religious dipshits like Pence...

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...id-19-n1247126

    State of emergency and mask mandate in Utah now.

    If only "Listening to doctors" wasn't a political issue in this country, we'd have a fighting chance against a pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylenol View Post
    Speaking as someone in the US, most peoples day to day hasn't changed much except during that "essential" only period months ago, aside from wearing a mask (my county requires one and every store has signs saying fuck off or wear a mask) like everything is open, traffic is unreal, people still crowd in downtown areas for events and whatnot and everything seems pretty normal, like if I walk outside right now it looks like it did 2 years ago, the sky isn't filled with smoke, roads aren't loaded with burned out cars with infected bodies laying all over, I was in the ER in the middle of June and asked a nurse about Corona and she said "yeah, we've seen a few cases come through here" there was only like 3 people in the waiting area..
    Pretty much here in the south NJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.
    Yes, assuming it holds up and there are no bad side effect it may be that way for the developed world; but it may still take a year to get everyone vaccinated. Hopefully Astra-Zeneca's vaccine (or similar ones) will also work, so that India, S. America and Africa can get a vaccine - without having to rely on the excessive cooling needed for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.

    In a beautiful twist of fate, Pfizer did not take any money from Operation Warp Speed. Could mean that not only won't Trump get any default credit in the history books for ending the pandemic during his administration (it won't be "over" until well into Biden's), his Operation Warp Speed may not be given historical credit either!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...gtype=Homepage
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    thats hilarious, everyone on twitter is like " thanks trump for the vaccine!"
    but they werent even part of the admin lul, you know if this was a dem they would be talking about how bad government is and how the private sector is superior, but since they are full trumpers nationalist socialism has to be their path
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    Yes, money to produce and deliver - not create.

    A more interesting question is why they made the claim.

    The most logical explanation is they don't want to be associated with a loser.

    Why they didn't try to push for an earlier review of the results is less clear (they were supposed to check it after 32 cases - and pushed it to 64 and finally it ended up as more than 90); but since they don't know what the outcome it's possible they realized that delivering the news (good or bad) before the US election would have tainted the results (especially as it would have been less reliable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    it was a contract to purchase the vaccine when it was available, the only ground im going to give you is they knew once it was developed it would be profitable, but all Research and development( the important shit) was done by pfizer, and my broad point was it use to be a conservative thing to praise the free market for creating a vaccine, instead they are literally triggered that pfizer did this announcement after the election instead of before so the trump admin could claim it was THEIR vaccine, the Rs are socialist with nationalism basically now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    20 bucks a pop to just make each one. Ya they are making back that "creation" money easy and prob 20-25% margin on top of it.


    Now a flu shot sells for 10-16 dollars from the manufacture. about 20% of that is markup.
    The real profit on the flu shot is the administration. Places like CVS and doctor office make some serious change on just giving them from insurance companies. Their cost are next to nothing because of the time to administer and the fact 99% of the people doing the administration were already being paid to be there.


    Will be interesting too see if the govt holds true to their promise to pay for it all. They will have to go to the public sector to administer


    This is what Medicare pays for flu shots, 10-60 dollars for cost of shot and administrative fee

    https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Medicar...accinesPricing

    They spend somewhere in the vicinity of 15 billion a year just on flu shots for a tiny fraction of the 60 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
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    Whoever tests for coronavirus automatically enters a daily lottery which may award 3k USD, unclear how many such prizes per day will be there.

    Starting next week.
    hmm, how much does a test cost around you? sounds like a better chance then playing scratch offs
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Well, you have your answer. They're willing to lie about working in a hospital.
    I found its a more widely used new disinformation technique that targets the usual crowd through facebook and similar stuff (whatsapp in europe).
    Its always "I know a nurse" , or "a nurse told me this" proceeding to spew total garbage like 90% of tests are fake, covid is fake, all random deaths are counted as covid for xyz conspiracy.
    Its all real and true. I know a real nurse who is an expert epidemiologist that knows all the hidden inside stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Why they didn't try to push for an earlier review of the results is less clear (they were supposed to check it after 32 cases - and pushed it to 64 and finally it ended up as more than 90); but since they don't know what the outcome it's possible they realized that delivering the news (good or bad) before the US election would have tainted the results (especially as it would have been less reliable).
    They explained this. While they were discussing changing from 32 to 64 cases, cases exploded in the US and they had over 90 before they could put anything together to show. It wasn't intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    it was a contract to purchase the vaccine when it was available, the only ground im going to give you is they knew once it was developed it would be profitable, but all Research and development( the important shit) was done by pfizer, and my broad point was it use to be a conservative thing to praise the free market for creating a vaccine, instead they are literally triggered that pfizer did this announcement after the election instead of before so the trump admin could claim it was THEIR vaccine, the Rs are socialist with nationalism basically now
    No, it was not, it was done by BioNTech...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    If they manage to make mRNA vaccines safe, then they can actually start to crank out vaccines at an accelerated rate. The problem...safe mRNA vaccines. Never been done in humans because they are/can be very dangerous - worse than the disease they are attempting to treat.
    Who are gonna be the guinea pigs for it? Essential workers? No, the real ones, not Carl the grocery store cashier or Valerie the barista. Doctors, nurses, people like that.

    Be a total clusterfuck if great swaths of the medical field were fucked by this vaccine. Anyone want to place a bet on liability waivers?
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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