Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Very Tired]

Trump taking a shot at Fox News is just the cherry on top to this charade dragging on. If there's one thing I can agree with Trump, it's that the media is the problem, but for entirely different reasons. The main reason why we have two groups of people living in entirely different worlds.

[Antiganon]

Here's the reality about Georgia: It's been a Republican stronghold for many years. It flipped blue for Biden, but just barely. A huge number of those voters are people who HATE Trump but still swing Republican and will likely vote for Republican Senators still. "Getting money for free from the government" is probably one of the last thing Republicans want hanging in front of themselves. The Republican candidates will likely scream socialism and win. You can't appeal to people who swing right with free money for covid relief, and I wouldn't really blame democrats if they lost.

If anything, these senate races will show how much of a miracle it was that Biden even won the state. I could be wrong and Democrats may win the seats, but I think that now that the general election is over, the people who wanted Trump out are done with elections, and the blue vote is going to be much more insignificant in runoffs. That's just how things swing in red states.

How about getting your job back because a functioning government can build a system to help businesses reopen?

You can't get back to work if there aren't jobs for you, and even if there is a job, you are stuck at home helping your kids with online school.

Economic stimulus is needed. It is PROVEN that for every dollar spent on economic stimulus to the individual, more than a dollar in economic activity is generated. You give me 1200 to do whatever I want and expand unemployment to cover my lost wages 100%, I'm going out and buying a new TV and supplies to build myself a badass desk for my battlestation, and getting back on track with bills that I have out into forebearance. That employs cashiers and salespeople at local businesses, keeps the finance industry that underwrites so much of the US economy moving smoothly, and if everyone does basically the same thing with their money, that grows the WHOLE economy, creating jobs for people like me who are out of work with minimal prospects (and FAR more applicants than available jobs, even in my field [IT support]).


And that says nothing of providing funding for increased testing and sanitation/ventilation in the places that HAVE to be open for the economy to function, like schools, grocery stores, etc.

[Eviscero]

Department of Homeland Security calls election "the most secure in American history"

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised," members of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee said in a statement.

https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-...1829a4aef.html

So then there's that...

[Draco-Onis]

Dude, you are as lost on this was a Trump supporters are on Trump. The fact that you keep making excuses NOT to get it is something else.

You put words in peoples mouths you ignore what you are told and make excuses and everything.

While some of them I might be close with, others I actively have joked at for the stuff they think. Try again.

Actually, don't try again, if you can't figure this out by now, all I can say is NEVER join a marketing class and never try and get a job in the field. You would fail the class and cost any company millions or more from being unable to figure out why the message matters to the general public.

sigh we are talking around each other again basic critical thinking what are the odds that this one thing is what turned them off? as you said COVID-19, social security, healthcare cost Trump votes. The person you are talking about put a slogan before all these things.

I understand marketing perfectly worked for a focus group firm for years but you forgot the other side Pepsi doesn't win automatically because there's coke. There was a bigger counter narrative than that one issue far outweighing it by leaps and bounds wish you could see my point.

[Corvus]

Department of Homeland Security calls election "the most secure in American history"

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised," members of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee said in a statement.

https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-...1829a4aef.html

So then there's that...

Someone is going to find themselves fired for annoying Trump with this, given how petty he is.

[Fugus]

sigh we are talking around each other again basic critical thinking what are the odds that this one thing is what turned them off? as you said COVID-19, social security, healthcare cost Trump votes. The person you are talking about put a slogan before all these things.

I understand marketing perfectly worked for a focus group firm for years but you forgot the other side Pepsi doesn't win automatically because there's coke. There was a bigger counter narrative than that one issue far outweighing it by leaps and bounds wish you could see my point.

It wasn't them putting all those before all of them. Like I said, they didn't vote at all. They were as non-political as they came. They weren't voting for Trump because his crap but they refused to vote for Biden either because of that.

If this was a world where everyone was educated and informed on an issue could vote, we wouldn't be in this mess but the uninformed get to vote too and many vote based on just that little level of information.

I hate it, I truly do, but this is what we have. And marketing is a big part of it, the Republicans learned that, the Democrats still haven't figured it out yet.

The Democrats want to go on policy but suck at marketing.
The Republicans policies suck butt and and swallow but they are good at marketing.
And now we are here.

[Draco-Onis]

It wasn't them putting all those before all of them. Like I said, they didn't vote at all. They were as non-political as they came. They weren't voting for Trump because his crap but they refused to vote for Biden either because of that.

If this was a world where everyone was educated and informed on an issue could vote, we wouldn't be in this mess but the uninformed get to vote too and many vote based on just that little level of information.

I hate it, I truly do, but this is what we have. And marketing is a big part of it, the Republicans learned that, the Democrats still haven't figured it out yet.

The Democrats want to go on policy but suck at marketing.
The Republicans policies suck butt and and swallow but they are good at marketing.
And now we are here.

We actually agree on democrat sucking at marketing but you are acting like this is a regular election cycle my point was they had 4 years of Trump marketing too if that didn't move them to act nothing would have. I don't think it's education or information some people don't care because of the electoral college, whoever is president doesn't matter to them etc.

If these people weren't really voting before they were non political as you said they really weren't going to start no matter what. I can think of a number of elections before this where they should have voted 2008 Obama for example. If it's the people we are both thinking of I can't think of a single thing that would make them vote every election they tell me they would only to find some reason not to bother.

[Omega10]

You know you are right that the slogan cost seats but for the wrong reasons. Democrats are underperforming with minorities because the discussion is about a dumb ass slogan instead of the policy itself.

Its obvious people don't realize how unattractive it is to the minority voter when Democrats bend over backwards to Republican misinformation, even going as far to cosign it.

Democratic senators are continuing their attacks on AOC.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-twitt...231526807.html

Title: AOC’s Twitter explodes after posting single photo in response to Senator’s rejection of ‘crazy socialist agenda’

Excerpts:

Senator Mnuchin:

“I'm a proud West Virginia Democrat. We are the party of working men and women,” the tweet reads. “We want to protect Americans' jobs & healthcare. We do not have some crazy socialist agenda, and we do not believe in defunding the police.”

This tweet makes it pretty clear that he views liberals as his main enemy.

We bowed down to Biden. And now, on this board here, and also across the country and in the Senate, Biden supporters are making it clear - thank you very much for your vote, now fuck off.

I no longer care how the two Georgia Senate seats go. McConnell right now is the face of people that hate liberals. If he loses power, it is clear that Senators like Mnuchin will take up his anti-liberal cause.

I expected democrats to stab us in the back. I just did not expect it to happen so soon.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I refuse to believe that given the choice of meaningful stimulus directly to them, or voting republican, that more people would vote republican.

Call me naive or whatever, i'm gonna hold onto this one, for my own sanity.

You sit these people down in front of 2 tables, one is the democrat table with thousands of dollars in stimulus, and the other table is republican with the usual republican shit, most people are gonna go to the democratic table.

No really, people have become terrified of "Free money from the government" by years of classical conditioning training them to terrified of communist democrats who want to put white people in concentration camps. You have no idea how much people believe this shit, but it's how it is.

[kaelleria]

Manchin has got his eyes on Georgia... Maybe use some common sense before flying off the handle.

[Nurasu]

Manchin has got his eyes on Georgia... Maybe use some common sense before flying off the handle.

The deal was to hold your nose and vote for Biden, not hold your nose and vote Dem indefinitely.

[Hinastorm]

No really, people have become terrified of "Free money from the government" by years of classical conditioning training them to terrified of communist democrats who want to put white people in concentration camps. You have no idea how much people believe this shit, but it's how it is.

I'm aware of that, my point is while these people will freely virtue signal that stuff, if given the choice to take money from the government without anyone knowing, I think they'll take the money 9 times out of 10.

Case in point, pretty sure the vast majority of these people gladly accepted those $1200 Trump bucks. That was literally money from the government.

[kaelleria]

The deal was to hold your nose and vote for Biden, not hold your nose and vote Dem indefinitely.

Then we'll be litigating this forever. We're on the same team here. This is exactly what Obama meant when he said we can't be a circular firing squad.

My eyes are on Georgia and 2022. I'll be donating, canvassing(when it's safe again) and text/phone banking for my candidates.

I suggest you do the same.

[Benggaul]

Oh boy, here we go with this shit again.

[Hinastorm]

Then we'll be litigating this forever. We're on the same team here. This is exactly what Obama meant when he said we can't be a circular firing squad.

My eyes are on Georgia and 2022. I'll be donating, canvassing(when it's safe again) and text/phone banking for my candidates.

I suggest you do the same.

I'll put my "firing squad" gun down as soon as center right Dems start advocating for living wages and healthcare.

[kaelleria]

Back on topic...

AZ should be dropping a bunch of Pima ballots tonight, which should be enough for other networks to call it.

- - - Updated - - -

I'll put my "firing squad" gun down as soon as center right Dems start advocating for living wages and healthcare.

There are no dems currently that don't advocate for raising the minimum wage and some sort of healthcare reform.

Literally 0. Even Joe Manchin supports raising the minimum wage.

[PACOX]

Democratic senators are continuing their attacks on AOC.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-twitt...231526807.html

Title: AOC’s Twitter explodes after posting single photo in response to Senator’s rejection of ‘crazy socialist agenda’

Excerpts:

Senator Mnuchin:



This tweet makes it pretty clear that he views liberals as his main enemy.

We bowed down to Biden. And now, on this board here, and also across the country and in the Senate, Biden supporters are making it clear - thank you very much for your vote, now fuck off.

I no longer care how the two Georgia Senate seats go. McConnell right now is the face of people that hate liberals. If he loses power, it is clear that Senators like Mnuchin will take up his anti-liberal cause.

I expected democrats to stab us in the back. I just did not expect it to happen so soon.

Man's said to "defund his butt".

Is this the kind of company the Dems keep?

And notice how his issue isn't the slogan. It's the concept.
He represents a huge swatch of Democrats who do not want reform then turn around and point fingers when they lose seats.

[kaid]

Back on topic...

AZ should be dropping a bunch of Pima ballots tonight, which should be enough for other networks to call it.

- - - Updated - - -



There are no dems currently that don't advocate for raising the minimum wage and some sort of healthcare reform.

Literally 0. Even Joe Manchin supports raising the minimum wage.

I believe the pima drop already happened it was basically 50/50. I think there is a mericopa drop happening tonight and maybe one more but there just are not enough ousttanding votes to matter. Biden is ahead by 11k ish and there are only 16k ballots remaining.

Edit correction after pima drop only 13k votes remaining. Trump to catch up basically has to win like 90% of everything left.

[Hinastorm]

Back on topic...

AZ should be dropping a bunch of Pima ballots tonight, which should be enough for other networks to call it.

- - - Updated - - -



There are no dems currently that don't advocate for raising the minimum wage and some sort of healthcare reform.

Literally 0. Even Joe Manchin supports raising the minimum wage.

Virtue signal, and actively fight for, are 2 very different things.

Also to be clear, raising the minimum doesn't necessarily mean livable. Minimum would need to be like $23 dollars in San Diego to be livable.

[Omega10]

Then we'll be litigating this forever. We're on the same team here. This is exactly what Obama meant when he said we can't be a circular firing squad.

My eyes are on Georgia and 2022. I'll be donating, canvassing(when it's safe again) and text/phone banking for my candidates.

I suggest you do the same.

Ok here is a more nerdy approach.

There are two phrases that democrats are opposed to.

1) Defund the Police - The origins of this phrase is that it was used when white cops shot and killed yet another black American. The phrase "Defund the Police" can go, but only when it is replaced by something that means clamping down on white cops killing blacks, on white traffic cops letting whites go by at 95 mph in order to stop a black going 75, and on whites giving leniency to whites that use drugs (don't want to ruin his life) while cracking down on blacks that use drugs (THROW THE BOOK AT HIM, DO THE TIME DO THE CRIME). White rapist - ITS HER FAULT FOR LOOKING HOT. Black rapist - WHAT AN ANIMAL, LOCK HIM UP EVEN IF SOMEONE ELSE REALLY DID IT.

Much of the problem here really is corrupt police officers. When Mnuchin say how much he supports the police, it almost sounds like he is very ok with white officers just killing blacks for the sheer joy of killing. Because the officers sure do seem to enjoy their shots taken at blacks - 9 shots, 15 shots taken? Replace the slogan fine, but only when you have one to replace it with. Pick whatever slogan you want to, but action on this absolutely HAS to be taken.

"Defund the Police" is responsible for some of the 72 million Trump supporters, but it is also responsible for some of the 77 million Biden supporters. Blacks came out in record numbers for Biden. Defund the Police is one of the reasons that Biden - and the two democratic Senator candidates - got so many votes in Georgia. And, I agree that it also is responsible for many of the Trump supporters. It can be argued that it increased Biden turnout more than Trump turnout.

Personally I don't care about the slogan. I care about getting some action on this very important item. Supporting Black Lives Matters issues is one of my more important priorities. And yes, action on Black Lives Matters issues WILL trigger people like Mnuchin regardless of HOW we phrase it.

Socialist: Get used to it. If you believe campaign information... misinformation, Biden himself is a radical left wing socialist with a history of ultra-left activism. Republicans will throw the socialist word around every election moving forward. There is no where to run from this label, and no where to hide. Yes it will motivate some people to vote against democrats. We need to show results from the socialist programs that we implement in order to get even more votes for us. After all, by the US definition of socialist, both Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs.