1. #33641
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    And he'll lose again when GA's final numbers come in.

    And maybe he'll lose again when NC's numbers come in. Doubt it . . . but maybe.
    Nah... NC is over sadly.

    On the up side, the NC Supreme Court is 5-2 Dem with the Chief Justice winning today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlord View Post
    he's more popular than you think, just not amongst the "very online" crowd.
    people are craving stability right now, as well.

    he already signaled he may not run again, the repubs have already been focusing their attacks on kamala for this reason.
    But again, this purely fits under the heading "he's not Trump". Which just barely worked this time and probably wouldn't in 2024, even if Trump ran again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    My father is 85. Before the pandemic he was still consulting 4 days a week at 4 different hospitals. Bike, row, swim, lift weight and scuba dive. Travel abroad twice a year with my mother. He hiked Machu Picchu at 82. Last year his dive club buddies filmed him chasing a school of hammerhead sharks while diving in Halmahera. My mother threw a fit when she saw that. I think Biden will outlast Trump.
    I wouldn't count on it, fat old disgusting assholes like Trump have a habit of surviving against all odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Eh, life expectancy has increased and Biden is in good health, plus the president gets the best health care in the country.

    I feel like Trump has a better chance of keeling over before Biden, given his low mobility and obesity. He's only a few years younger than Biden, even if he covers it up with that ridiculous hair and spray tan.
    The increase in life expectancy is due to the reduction in infant mortality which brought historical averages down. Maximal lifespan has actually not changed much across history.

    Again, even if he's alive, will he be fit? The previous oldest President, Reagan, left office at the age Biden is entering it and he had dementia.
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    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Since trump made it standard, i would send out a letter once a month saying this. You can do it from the IRS, The Treasury, the CDC, etc etc....
    Made me laugh. Thank you for this

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    Apparently some of the "smarter" MAGAtards on social media are trying to push the notion that Biden's vote violates Benford's Law. LOL, talk about desperate.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27Q3AI

    Anyway, here's a fun video about what it is and why it isn't applicable in this circumstance - which is #22 on trending...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78
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    If you want to see a lot of coping, I came across this thread while looking at the ABC 15 data guy's twitter:

    https://twitter.com/JuliansRum/statu...07426768855041

    It's a little bit funny and a little bit scary. These people are absolutely terrified. And also hateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Nah... NC is over sadly.

    On the up side, the NC Supreme Court is 5-2 Dem with the Chief Justice winning today.
    I think Roy Cooper won re-election, too.
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Apparently some of the "smarter" MAGAtards on social media are trying to push the notion that Biden's vote violates Benford's Law. LOL, talk about desperate.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27Q3AI

    Anyway, here's a fun video about what it is and why it isn't applicable in this circumstance - which is #22 on trending...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    If you want to see a lot of coping, I came across this thread while looking at the ABC 15 data guy's twitter:

    https://twitter.com/JuliansRum/statu...07426768855041

    It's a little bit funny and a little bit scary. These people are absolutely terrified. And also hateful.
    I’m enjoying the tech expert saying he contacted Gulliani about telling him what’s wrong with dominion forging votes. The intellectual brilliance of this man... 5 posts prior he suggests dragging folders as a way to manipulate voting. Dumb asses...
    Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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    You don't have to say Bolton is being brave or genuine, but you must say he's clearly having a ball trolling Trump on CNN.

  10. #33650
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    I'm aware of that, my point is while these people will freely virtue signal that stuff, if given the choice to take money from the government without anyone knowing, I think they'll take the money 9 times out of 10.

    Case in point, pretty sure the vast majority of these people gladly accepted those $1200 Trump bucks. That was literally money from the government.
    Yep, I got one better.

    I know someone who was getting between $600-800 a month in Food Stamps and all their kids were on government healthcare for the majority of their lives. But according to him he never relied on welfare and tried to call me a mooch for living off the military due to an injury and nerve damage they caused.

    Never underestimate peoples hypocrisy, especially when they don't think others know about it. Too many like to try and hold others to standards they don't even meet while lying about it. Most farmers who claim to hate socialism come to mind when their entire industry destabilizes and collapses without it.
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    Some good news from the democratic side. Or at least neutral news!

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-chi...231328498.html

    Title: Biden chief of staff pick kicks off jockeying for administration jobs

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-klain...032156197.html

    Title: AOC praises Biden's new chief of staff as a 'unifying pick'

    The gist is that Biden has selected Ron Klain as his chief of staff. Klain was Biden's chief of staff when Biden was Vice President, so I guess it makes sense that he basically would retain his position. And AOC has given him her blessing. The general consensus is that he is a very smart and accomplished pick.

    It's nice reading about democrats saying nice things about other democrats for a change.

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    It isn't like he could be any more blunt, but Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, spoke at an opening ceremony at a new museum yesterday, reiterating they don't take an oath to a king or queen, a tyrant or a dictator but to the constitution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMaI1Hg8dl8

    You could almost say 'shots fired'.
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  13. #33653
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Nah... NC is over sadly.

    On the up side, the NC Supreme Court is 5-2 Dem with the Chief Justice winning today.
    At least North Carolina did SOMETHING right, getting tired of it being nothing but a national and global disappointment and embarrassment like it has been for the past decade.
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  14. #33654
    News from Texas.

    Beto O'Rourke tries to be the next Stacey Abrams.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/beto-orou...051300837.html

    Title: Beto O'Rourke explains why he thinks Democrats failed to flip Texas

    Trump won Texas by 6 points. So much for Texas going blue. On the other hand, Trump got a very elevated vote count for republicans this election. But here is what O'Rourke had to say.

    Catherine Garcia
    Fri, November 13, 2020, 12:13 AM EST

    Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) has been talking to a lot of Texans over the last week, and on Thursday he shared with supporters the lessons Democrats have learned in the wake of Election Day.
    Based on the content of the article, sounds like he did some good research into why Trump won by 6 points over Biden.

    In an email, O'Rourke wrote that Trump and Republicans had an "asymmetrical advantage" this cycle that was "far more powerful than many of us understood." They ran campaigns that were "free of the truth," using social media and text messaging to spread falsehoods and scare tactics. They also ignored pandemic safety precautions, knocking on doors and holding in-person events, he said, and when they shared their economic message, it was "not an honest one or better in terms of policy, but simpler, more emotional, and more compelling."
    Also ignoring pandemic safety precautions gave republicans some nice bonuses as well. Vote for us - if we give you the virus, that's on you.

    It's interesting that O'Rourke is saying factually and straight forwardly: republicans lied, and lied a lot. It has been a an open secret that Trump lies a lot when he talks, but the media until very recently tried to act like he should be given the benefit of the doubt before assuming that he was lying. O'Rourke is making the fairly obvious observation that Trump is not the only republican that lies a lot.

    Because Republicans also hold every statewide office in Texas, they were able to "maximize voter suppression and raise and deploy massive campaign donations across the state," O'Rourke said. The Biden campaign did not "make a meaningful investment in Texas," he added, and it "hurt us badly" that the stretch from the "Rio Grande Valley to El Paso has been ignored by the national party, and even many statewide Democratic candidates."
    He is directly stating that republicans actively suppress voting throughout the bluer parts of the state, and indirectly implies that republicans use their state office duties for electoral gain. Like the governor reducing the number of ballot boxes in a way that effected democratic voters much more than republican ones. Nothing earth shaking about this either, but here is a democratic office seeker directly stating what is already well known, but something that fails to get mentioned at crucial times.

    Going forward, Democrats must canvass year-round "so that voters don't just hear from us during an election," O'Rourke said, and he emphasized the importance of meeting voters face-to-face, saying there "is a safe way to do this, even in a pandemic." Democrats also have to be "far more effective on digital and social media," O'Rourke advised, explaining that in the border communities especially, Trump and the GOP had a "ferocious game — lies and powerful memes, effective targeting of new and young voters — and we had none."
    This is a tall order, but it certainly makes sense, and it applies to a lot more than just to Texas.

    A few years ago, Stacey Abrams got cheated out of being governor of Georgia, and this year Georgia went for Biden. Georgia is paying a huge price for Kemp being governor. Now O'Rourke is trying to put into place pieces that would do the same for Texas. We have to do the hard work.

    But getting out to voters with the virus being so bad is not going to be easy.

  15. #33655
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Democratic senators are continuing their attacks on AOC.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-twitt...231526807.html

    Title: AOC’s Twitter explodes after posting single photo in response to Senator’s rejection of ‘crazy socialist agenda’

    Excerpts:

    Senator Mnuchin:



    This tweet makes it pretty clear that he views liberals as his main enemy.

    We bowed down to Biden. And now, on this board here, and also across the country and in the Senate, Biden supporters are making it clear - thank you very much for your vote, now fuck off.

    I no longer care how the two Georgia Senate seats go. McConnell right now is the face of people that hate liberals. If he loses power, it is clear that Senators like Mnuchin will take up his anti-liberal cause.

    I expected democrats to stab us in the back. I just did not expect it to happen so soon.
    He's in West Virginia. He's never going to win a vote with a D next to his name if he outwardly starts supporting AOCs viewpoints. West Virginia and the North east USA might as well be different nations politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    He's in West Virginia. He's never going to win a vote with a D next to his name if he outwardly starts supporting AOCs viewpoints. West Virginia and the North east USA might as well be different nations politically.
    He doesn't have to outwardly support anything that AOC does. Simply not attacking her would be sufficient.

    On a practical note, this is why even if both Georgia Senate seats go to democrats, Mnuchin will block anything even remotely liberal that might otherwise get passed. We'll have to wait until at least 2022 for any meaningful liberal legislation to be passed, though executive orders might give liberals a win or two, and corporate pressure on republicans may get liberals some partial victories.

  17. #33657
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I forsee a 2024 in which Republicans are boiling for revenge, and Democrats are disillusioned by another unproductive 4 years without the Senate.
    The senate system in the US is fucked. I understand why the founders had it that way in late 1700s to early 1800s but I seriously doubt when they thought of it they'd have states with 70-80 times more populous than another (california in comparison to wyoming).

  18. #33658
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    He's in West Virginia. He's never going to win a vote with a D next to his name if he outwardly starts supporting AOCs viewpoints. West Virginia and the North east USA might as well be different nations politically.
    He has a D in in titel that alone means enough that he will get attacked for fake strawmen positions. If your position is "stop stupid wars" than Republicans will make that into "They are against the military", if your afraid of winning elections then you should keep this shit in mind.

    Frankly you don't want to start a war with AOC, I mean the "celebrity" attacks she is getting now is the same crap Republicans where throwing at Obama in 2008 and look at how that turned out. This is kind of admitting that your losing the "war"since you admit that she is populair.

  19. #33659
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    He doesn't have to outwardly support anything that AOC does. Simply not attacking her would be sufficient.

    On a practical note, this is why even if both Georgia Senate seats go to democrats, Mnuchin will block anything even remotely liberal that might otherwise get passed. We'll have to wait until at least 2022 for any meaningful liberal legislation to be passed, though executive orders might give liberals a win or two, and corporate pressure on republicans may get liberals some partial victories.
    If they take the Senate, admit DC and Puerto Rico as States near the start. Then he could do what he needed to for the next few years just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    If they take the Senate, admit DC and Puerto Rico as States near the start. Then he could do what he needed to for the next 6 years just fine.
    To take the Senate decisively in 2022, we need to take O'Rourke's advice very seriously (and actually follow through on his recommendations), as well as consider the next 2 years almost static, celebrating every time Biden fixes one more of Trump's fuck ups. He has a lot of them to fix, so this would be cause for a LOT of celebrations

    The hard part will be countering republican protests and such. Democrats in general did a pretty bad job when republicans swarmed town hall meetings across the country to protest when Obamacare was becoming law. They were able to stage the debate as democrats forcing Obamacare down the throats of Americans. Very good sloganeering. Congressional elections proved that this sloganeering was a winner.

    We can't let this happen again.

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