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    How Syria’s Afrin became hell for Kurds

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    He threatened to kill my daughter, rape me, take pictures and distribute them to everyone. He forced me to watch the cruel torture of women. It was so bad that I became ill just by the sight”, says an unnamed woman in a video detailing her capture in Afrin, northern Syria.

    Afrin was once in a Kurdish majority region where women had more rights than elsewhere in Syria, a patriarchal country in a bloodthirsty war. Child marriage was banned, polygamy was forbidden and domestic violence was an offence.

    The city was safe through much of the Syrian war and was a sanctuary which welcomed everyone. Shiler Sido, a 31-year-old former Afrin resident and volunteer with the Kurdish Red Crescent tells openDemocracy: “We had a free atmosphere where everyone presented themselves, especially women, as they wanted. You could wear shorts, skirts, short dresses - anything”.

    “There was a very low level of crime. It was special for somewhere in Syria to have this kind of safety. There was a utopian atmosphere and it was very peaceful”, Shiler reminisces.

    But this soon changed.

    Since 2018, Afrin has been under the control of Turkish backed militias who seized control of the city after a two-month operation to remove Kurdish forces. For many civilians in the city, it is like living under siege.

    In March 2018, Shiler and her family fled their five bedroom home, “the city could no longer stand under the factions”, she says.

    A climate of fear

    A recent UN commission has found vast evidence that the “situation for Kurdish women is precarious”. The UN Commission of Inquiry on Syria found vast evidence of daily rape, sexual violence, harassment and torture in the first half of 2020. It cites disturbing examples of violations and targeting kidnapped civilians in Afrin. The report documents the rape of at least 30 women in the Kurdish town of Tal Abyad in February alone. “The factions are committing hundreds and thousands of violations every day. My relatives are there”, Shiler says with a worried tone.

    A video earlier this year showed women being led out a secret, illegal, crowded prison cell. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that they were naked when they were found.

    These atrocities mirror what happened to the Kurdish population at the hands of ISIS, just a few years earlier in parts of Iraq and Syria. But these women are not being tortured by a militant Islamist group. They are under the control of militias backed by Turkey, a NATO member and ally of the United States.

    There is now “a pervasive climate of fear of torture, to the point where women are unable to leave their homes because they don't want to be targeted by an armed group”, says Meghan Bodette, founder of the Missing Afrin Women Project. She launched the website in 2018 to track the disappearances of women in the area, a huge concern alongside torture.

    173 women and girls have allegedly been kidnapped since January 2018. Only 64 have reportedly been released while the fate of the 109 others remains unknown. Meghan talks about a “complete campaign of terror against the Kurdish population.” Other local human rights researchers claim there have been over 1,500 kidnappings. It is worth noting that Meghan only documents women whose full identities she has.

    Close to home

    Many Kurds fled Afrin in 2018, including Hassan Hassan, age 50, who tells openDemocracy how his family escaped only “with some food and the clothes on our backs, leaving behind our home, photo albums, lifelong books, children's toys, furniture and electricals.”

    The Hassan family fled to a village and lived in a cave for 45 days, “there was daily shelling, F-16s and drones in the skies. We escaped the siege with god's grace.” Now they live in the dismal Shahba camp near Aleppo with other IDPs, including Shiler and her three children.

    Hassan and Shiler left behind some 200,000 Afrin residents. Those who stayed risk torture and abduction. Hassan’s cousins, friends and neighbours have all gone missing.

    Their new life is not a respite from the suffering. “Yesterday we couldn't sleep because of the loud shelling noises”, Shiler says.

    The area where the camp is located was under the control of ISIS once and they planted hundreds of landmines. Shiler witnessed lives lost, she walks past bodies daily. “We endure this kind of life because we feel geographically close to home,” she explains.

    Unsafe zone

    A year ago this month, Turkey’s President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan invaded the Kurdish enclave in Syria to “eliminate all elements of PKK [Kurdistan Worker’s Party], PYD [Democratic Union Party] and YPG [People's Protection Units]”, who he deems as terrorists. He described this as a “safe zone”, which is 300 miles wide along the border. The violence was triggered by Donald Trump’s order to withdraw all US troops from northern Syria.

    Human Rights Watch, say the reality in the “safe zone” is one of horror with daily lootings, executions, shootings, and forcible displacements. Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch says there is “damning evidence why Turkey’s proposed ‘safe zones’ will not be safe.”

    Meghan cites Trump’s withdrawal as a trigger for many “domestic political ramifications in the United States”, which made the western media sit up and take notice of the murders much more thanks to a somewhat new American political angle.

    One such example was the murder of Hevrin Khalaf, a Kurdish-Syrian politician and civil engineer, who was tortured and executed during ‘Operation Peace Spring’, the 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria. A Bellingcat video traces her death to Turkish backed rebels. Others have reported that Ahrar al-Sharqiya, a Syrian rebel group that fights as part of the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army, were involved, despite their denial.

    Khalaf’s murder was depicted in conservative daily Turkish newspaper Yeni Safak as a successful counter-terrorist operation, which couldn’t be further from the truth. Khalaf dedicated her life to democracy and feminism. The autopsy stated that she was so violently dragged out of her car that her hair was pulled off her head, she was then shot in the head at close range and died as a result of severe cerebral haemorrhage.

    Turkish expansion

    Meghan is concerned about the “very nationalist, expansionist policy in Turkey”, which she says extends to Syria and is a huge danger to ethnic and religious minorities. “As long as they hold territory in Syria, there's going to be a risk that they're going to try to invade and occupy more”, she continues.


    A report from the Rojava Information Centre reveals that over 40 former ISIS members are “being sheltered, funded and protected by Turkey in the occupied regions” and are working in Afrin. Shiler who is a former teacher, says that her school which once housed over 200 pupils is now a centre for Turkish intelligence, and a picture of Erdogan is in the middle of Afrin. Hassan claims that his farm is now “appropriated by ex-ISIS fighters.”

    It happens to us all

    The mention of ISIS alone is worrisome, particularly for Yazidi women - the religious minority that suffered genocide at the hands of that militant group. Amy Austin Holmes, a visiting scholar at the Middle East Initiative of Harvard University and a fellow at the Wilson Center, says that an “estimated 90% of the Yazidi population of Afrin has been driven from their homes.” How can this community survive with so much persecution over the years?

    Dr Jan Ilhan Kizilhan, a prominent Kurdish-German psychologist who works with Yazidis speaks of the collective trauma Yazidis face. “The whole community is directly and indirectly impacted by the killings. You become a part of this collective trauma. If you are suffering you may get nightmares, sleeping disorders and a feeling of helplessness.”

    Jan says this is what is happening in Afrin too. “[militants] are committing rape, but they’re also destroying the dignity of society. It's an attack on your understanding of the world, because the question is, how can a human do this?”

    This view is shared by Hassan and Shiler. “When we hear about what happens to the women, we feel like it happens to all of us. It is hard for others to understand the impact on us psychologically”, Shiler says. Hassan, on the other hand, believed that his father recently died “from sorrow”.

    The UN commission also details the looting and destruction of religious sites, shrines and graveyards of profound significance in the Afrin region.

    Too little, too late

    The UN report has ratified Meghan’s findings. While she is thankful for that, she explains that “as soon as these groups controlled territory, they started committing atrocities against civilians. So I think it's very much too late.” It is very difficult for journalists to access this area, and those who do speak out, risk their lives.

    “The media aren’t allowed in the area, so the number of violations committed every day is not known by the people of Afrin. People make the decision to die in their homes instead of going out because they’re so scared”, Shiler says.

    Such reports should be used as an advocacy tool for the UN to sanction states who commit crimes. Currently, the United States has not sanctioned any Turkish-backed armed groups and they’re allowing demographic reengineering of Kurds, many of whom lost family fighting ISIS alongside US forces.

    Meanwhile the US and UK also hold responsibilities. The UK halted new export licences for arms sales to Turkey, but the existing export licences are still valid for use.

    “Turkey doesn’t care if these violations happen, they're happy with anything that makes life miserable for the Kurds. But I think that they do not like people internationally talking about it and paying attention to it,” Meghan reflects.

    Shiler on the other hand, thinks that the occupation “is like hell.”


    How long is the world going to tolerate and indulge Erdogan's murderous ambitions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    How long is the world going to tolerate and indulge Erdogan's murderous ambitions?
    I am sorry to bring Trump into this... but... The current situation was enabled by Trump administration, due to US’s swift and surprising withdrawal northern Syria, handing Kurds to Turkey. Followed by sanctions that lasted less than a week, for destroying the Kurds. I’m sure none of this had anything to do with Micheal Flynn being on a secret payroll of Turkey and pleading guilty as a result... with Trump’s DOJ stumbling over them selfs to get Flynn off the hook...

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    Trump credited his fake breakthrough not just to the violence but to the bloodshed it inflicted. “If they didn’t go through two and a half days of hell, I don’t think they would’ve done it,” he said of the Kurds and Turks. On Wednesday, he boasted, “The pain and suffering of the three-day fight that occurred was directly responsible for our ability to make an agreement with Turkey and the Kurds that could never have been made without this short-term outburst.”
    The president claimed that this pain was part of a brilliant strategy. “It was unconventional, what I did,” he told the audience at a political rally in Dallas on Oct. 17. He explained that in anticipation of the invasion, “I said, ‘They’re going to have to fight a little while.’ Sometimes you have to let ’em fight. … Like two kids in a lot, you got to let ’em fight, and then you pull ’em apart.” Four days later, in a Fox News interview with Sean Hannity, Trump used the same metaphor. Three times, he described this policy as “tough love.”
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    Unfortunately with the influx of Turkey related threads these days this is starting to become nation bashing.

    There's a massive problem with Turkish politics, nationalism and foreign policy, to a large extent enabled by US foreign policy.

    Erdogan represents (quite successfully) the wave of authoritarian ethno nationalism that has swept much of the world. Putin, Erdogan, Orban, Brexit (a policy manifestation of political current) Le Pen, Trump they are all loons cut of the same cloth.

    The international community can do precious little to stop these people. Change has to come from within the societies that enabled these people and their politics in the first place.

    We can also ill afford to turn Turkey into either a Russian proxy or into an Iran, that would make the existing problems so much worse.

    In the case of Turkish meddling in Syria...we must remember that the power vacuum Turkey is now filling was created by US policy in the first place, and not just when US forces abandoned the Kurds, but when we invaded Iraq, when we armed fundamentalists to fight Assad etc.

    I also don't see how the US could dislodge Turkey and its proxies from the region now. Frankly, all we can do now is to protect what's left of the Kurds in other areas and use some very public carrots and very secret diplomatic back channel sticks (trying to bully Erdogan into anything would likely just make him dig in further, as strongmen do) to incentivize Turkey to reign in the militias in the areas they control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    How long is the world going to tolerate and indulge Erdogan's murderous ambitions?
    They've put up with Assad's murderous ambitions for the last decade. I don't see Erdogan being different. This thread will ultimately boil down to an argument about America policing the world, which is nonsense. The United States is not the only country in the world that should care about theocratic thugs making nonsense of borders and committing genocide. What's the point of the U.N. if the reason for it existing is ignored? Cowards, the lot of them.
    Last edited by downnola; 2020-11-13 at 06:39 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    They've put with Assad's murderous ambitions for the last decade. I don't see Erdogan being different. This thread will ultimately boil down to an argument about America policing the world, which is nonsense. The United States is not the only country in the world that should care about theocratic thugs making nonsense of borders and committing genocide. What's the point of the U.N. if the reason for it existing is ignored? Cowards, the lot of them.
    The problem is not with the UN per say. The problem is with the UN Security Council and how the Security Council functions.

    As long as any permanent member of the Security Council has anything to gain out a scenario the Council will always be deadlocked.

    Any attempt to reign in Erdogan via the Council would likely be blocked by Russia (and unlikely but possibly by China). Any Russian attempt to reign in Erdogan would immediately be blocked by the US. It's an impasse.

    The only time the Council would ever agree on anything is either if some of the major players have no skin in the game and can be bribed to vote for something or abstain (First Gulf War) or if there's some sort of general universal threat (North Korea, tho even there there's a line in the sand with just how far Chinese cooperation would extend).

    It's highly hypocritical from a Western perspective to critique Russian and Chinese unwillingness to play ball, as Western powers extensively used their vote powers to protect right wing authoritarian proxies from UN intervention. Just as how for example the US has simultaneously used the Organization of American States to protect right wing American dictatorships while attacking left wing ones.

    Or how the US effectively neutered the ability of the UN to do anything to resolve the Palestinian conflict despite the rest of the world nearly unanimously agreeing that Israel is out of bounds. Or how the US has been sheltering Saudi Arabia from UN intervention in recent years.

    The UN is still useful, it's the only truly global forum that we have, and while it's often unable to tackle many issues heads on, it still acts as a mediator and mitigator via exercising soft power and creating much needed visibility and some transparency.

    It's imperfect, but it's useful, it's better than what we had before and it's the best we've got now.
    Last edited by Mihalik; 2020-11-13 at 02:47 PM.

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    At this point I am pretty sure the OP is a Greek agent paid to bash Turkey in every possible topic he/she can

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    They've put up with Assad's murderous ambitions for the last decade. I don't see Erdogan being different. This thread will ultimately boil down to an argument about America policing the world, which is nonsense. The United States is not the only country in the world that should care about theocratic thugs making nonsense of borders and committing genocide. What's the point of the U.N. if the reason for it existing is ignored? Cowards, the lot of them.
    Its just a problem of US having double standards. You can't support genocidal theocratic thugs with one hand (Israel, Saudis) and condemn them with the other (Syria, Iraq, etc), or even flip flop on the same one repeatedly (Turkey).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    The problem is not with the UN per say. The problem is with the UN Security Council and how the Security Council functions.

    As long as any permanent member of the Security Council has anything to gain out a scenario the Council will always be deadlocked.

    Any attempt to reign in Erdogan via the Council would likely be blocked by Russia (and unlikely but possibly by China). Any Russian attempt to reign in Erdogan would immediately be blocked by the US. It's an impasse.

    The only time the Council would ever agree on anything is either if some of the major players have no skin in the game and can be bribed to vote for something or abstain (First Gulf War) or if there's some sort of general universal threat (North Korea, tho even there there's a line in the sand with just how far Chinese cooperation would extend).

    It's highly hypocritical from a Western perspective to critique Russian and Chinese unwillingness to play ball, as Western powers extensively used their vote powers to protect right wing authoritarian proxies from UN intervention. Just as how for example the US has simultaneously used the Organization of American States to protect right wing American dictatorships while attacking left wing ones.

    Or how the US effectively neutered the ability of the UN to do anything to resolve the Palestinian conflict despite the rest of the world nearly unanimously agreeing that Israel is out of bounds. Or how the US has been sheltering Saudi Arabia from UN intervention in recent years.


    The UN is still useful, it's the only truly global forum that we have, and while it's often unable to tackle many issues heads on, it still acts as a mediator and mitigator via exercising soft power and creating much needed visibility and some transparency.

    It's imperfect, but it's useful, it's better than what we had before and it's the best we've got now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashnazg View Post
    Its just a problem of US having double standards. You can't support genocidal theocratic thugs with one hand (Israel, Saudis) and condemn them with the other (Syria, Iraq, etc), or even flip flop on the same one repeatedly (Turkey).

    I don't disagree with either of these replies. All I'm saying is that the hypocrisy of the west shouldn't keep people from opposing genocide and war crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I am sorry to bring Trump into this... but... The current situation was enabled by Trump administration, due to US’s swift and surprising withdrawal northern Syria, handing Kurds to Turkey. Followed by sanctions that lasted less than a week, for destroying the Kurds. I’m sure none of this had anything to do with Micheal Flynn being on a secret payroll of Turkey and pleading guilty as a result... with Trump’s DOJ stumbling over them selfs to get Flynn off the hook...

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    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ds-turkey.html
    While it's true Trump has a troubling closeness with Erdogan, the US giving Turkey a pass with their horrific actions is hardly unique. This goes back decades, with administrations of both parties. Turkey's been given carte blanche by the US for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerul View Post
    At this point I am pretty sure the OP is a Greek agent paid to bash Turkey in every possible topic he/she can
    Got anything to say about the material of the post, though? I will repeat, I remember Kuntantee going to absolute bullshit levels about this, as Turkey's directly sponsored and supplied fighters did every single crime imaginable upon the local populace back in 2018.

    Yes, OP has issues, I have called him out on this. Yet it does not mean the message is wrong then. Erdogan is attempting to build Neo-Ottoman empire and behaving like Ottomans did.
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