[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Forogil]

Which is the problem here. Brexit will fuck up supply chains because theres no longer freedom of movement for goods. That means its simpler to get people on the continent to assemble the cars now.

This is more like whats really happening in the UK atm.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54908129

And this is just the quiet before the storm that may happen in 1.5 months.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I was trying to illustrate how a few extra days stuck in Felixstowe is an irrelevance when from order to delivery can take many many months.

Project fear remainers making a big deal out of nothing once again. The more difficult it is to access the UK market, the more incentive there is to bypass those difficulties and manufacture product locally at the expense of foreign employees.

Some customers will say I'm not waiting 6 months for a foreign produced car, i'll buy an equivalent locally produced model that I can have just in time to me as the customer tomorrow as my old car is fubar and needs replacing right now. I hope that clarifies...

You don't understand what JIT is.

Just in time applies to the manufacturing, not to the customer delivery. When you order a new car, you're basically booking a manufacturing line spot. You'll get the car a week or so after that date.

JIT means that the front bumper, window panes, engine, gearbox etc. arrive at the factory within 24 hours (for somebody like VW, Toyota or Honda within 8 hours) of the car being assembled. If the bumpers get stuck in Felixstowe for two days, the factory stops working. If the factory stops working for two days, it becomes close to the profit/loss point. If the factory goes unplanned dark for a week over the year then management will be considering closing it down.

And for the people that can't wait, they will buy a car that the dealership pre-ordered and maybe compromise on colour or an extra toy.

[Forogil]

Your pessimism is misplaced as Nissan announce this week new £140 million investment in Sunderland launching the fresh Quashqai next year, try to be a half glass full kinda guy instead of a half glass empty? The world and brexit will be a better place for you...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-54931105

Two relevant parts of the article:

its production will not create any jobs at the Wearside factory.

(the Wearside factory is at the Sunderland plant).

The other relevant part is how much the article says about £140 million investment:

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Nissan had previously invested in it, and warned that tariffs might make it unsustainable. However, it's possible that they will make that plant and that model (not X-Trail, they axed that) and just focus on the uk - https://www.ft.com/content/fe88eec2-...b-339c2307bcd4 - hoping to reap some temporary profits when they are the only ones left.)

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You don't understand what JIT is.

I don't know why but it reminds me of the tagline of Johnny English: "He Knows No Fear. He Knows No Danger. He Knows Nothing."

Just in time applies to the manufacturing, not to the customer delivery. When you order a new car, you're basically booking a manufacturing line spot. You'll get the car a week or so after that date.

JIT means that the front bumper, window panes, engine, gearbox etc. arrive at the factory within 24 hours (for somebody like VW, Toyota or Honda within 8 hours) of the car being assembled. If the bumpers get stuck in Felixstowe for two days, the factory stops working. If the factory stops working for two days, it becomes close to the profit/loss point. If the factory goes unplanned dark for a week over the year then management will be considering closing it down.

And to counter the obvious: why not order some extra parts and store them in advance?

The stored parts will be expensive, you might order the wrong things and be stuck with it, and you haven't organized the factory to be able to store those parts.

[Demolitia]

And to counter the obvious: why not order some extra parts and store them in advance?

The stored parts will be expensive, you might order the wrong things and be stuck with it, and you haven't organized the factory to be able to store those parts.

Well actually ordering extra stock and parts is what many companies are doing ahead of Christmas and Brexit, which is causing bottlenecks and weeks of delays in the port discussed in the last pages or 2. Storage cheaper tha n weeks of delays.

[Forogil]

Well actually ordering extra stock and parts is what many companies are doing ahead of Christmas and Brexit, which is causing bottlenecks and weeks of delays in the port discussed in the last pages or 2. Storage cheaper tha n weeks of delays.

True, but for some industries it means that they cannot offer the full set of choices - and they also have to figure out how to store those parts - while having an actual stock of parts that they have paid for (on the other hand they can likely borrow cheaply to handle the cost).

[Crispin]

I was trying to illustrate how a few extra days stuck in Felixstowe is an irrelevance when from order to delivery can take many many months.

Project fear remainers making a big deal out of nothing once again. The more difficult it is to access the UK market, the more incentive there is to bypass those difficulties and manufacture product locally at the expense of foreign employees.

Some customers will say I'm not waiting 6 months for a foreign produced car, i'll buy an equivalent locally produced model that I can have just in time to me as the customer tomorrow as my old car is fubar and needs replacing right now. I hope that clarifies...

So UK companies will simply do the same in the EU, and we'll bypass all tariffs for good? Hey why don't all companies make production plants in every country to avoid tariffs! What a fantastic idea you got there Dribbles!!

[Demolitia]

When even the fishing industry turns against Brexit, you know your government is really extraordinarily incompetent ...
https://mobile.twitter.com/LochfyneL...86702548455427

[Twdft]

When even the fishing industry turns against Brexit, you know your government is really extraordinarily incompetent ...
https://mobile.twitter.com/LochfyneL...86702548455427

Best answer is this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Wjj66W/st...34647260016642

[dribbles]

Grimsby UK. Once the largest fishing port in the world, not now of course thanks to the EU.

Brexit referendum result.

70% Vote leave.
30% Vote remain.

Think I'll trust what actual fishermen from a, you know, fishing port want regards Brexit tyvm.

[shimerra]

Grimsby UK. Once the largest fishing port in the world, not now of course thanks to the EU.

Brexit referendum result.

70% Vote leave.
30% Vote remain.

Think I'll trust what actual fishermen from a, you know, fishing port want regards Brexit tyvm.

You're confusing them wanting things and how they voted with Brexit actually providing the results they claim they desire. Because they voted thinking one thing would happen and are now learning, the hard/stupid way, that what they thought would happened and what is happening are very different. And what is happening is not good for their business. But it was the logical consequence of their choice to vote for Brexit. Your false god of Brexit has failed to deliver. Again.

And no you'll continue to spew certifiable bullshit as long as it suits the lame brained narrative you've concocted. Nothing more.

[Crispin]

Grimsby UK. Once the largest fishing port in the world, not now of course thanks to the EU.

Brexit referendum result.

70% Vote leave.
30% Vote remain.

Think I'll trust what actual fishermen from a, you know, fishing port want regards Brexit tyvm.

So they voted to leave, but it's the EU's fault, that they got the shitshow everyone else knew it would become if they left?

It's like hitting yourself on the head with a hammer in purpose, and then blame the hammer for the pain it caused.

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Best answer is this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Wjj66W/st...34647260016642

"Why is non-free trade so damn complicated!!1"

[Gorsameth]

So they voted to leave, but it's the EU's fault, that they got the shitshow everyone else knew it would become if they left?

It's like hitting yourself on the head with a hammer in purpose, and then blame the hammer for the pain it caused.

its not even blaming the hammer, its blaming the man who sold you the hammer, despite him telling you not to hit yourself in the head.

[Crispin]

its not even blaming the hammer, its blaming the man who sold you the hammer, despite him telling you not to hit yourself in the head.

Atleast the man took back control of the hammer! good for him!

[dribbles]

You're confusing them wanting things and how they voted with Brexit actually providing the results they claim they desire. Because they voted thinking one thing would happen and are now learning, the hard/stupid way, that what they thought would happened and what is happening are very different. And what is happening is not good for their business. But it was the logical consequence of their choice to vote for Brexit. Your false god of Brexit has failed to deliver. Again.

And no you'll continue to spew certifiable bullshit as long as it suits the lame brained narrative you've concocted. Nothing more.

I'm not confusing anything. You calling fishermen stupid is unfair, what do you propose to solve that, IQ tests before people are allowed to vote?

Anyway back to the facts from people who know their industry.

Joint statement from SFF and NFFO on Brexit negotiations.

“For the fishing industry in the UK, leaving the Common Fisheries Policy has always been about redressing a fundamental issue: the woefully unfair allocation of quota shares in our waters, where the EU fleet has an unfettered right of access to the UK’s rich fishing grounds and fish five times more in UK waters than we fish in theirs."

https://www.sff.co.uk/joint-statemen...-negotiations/

Case rested and closed. /Three cheers for brexit.

[Gorsameth]

I'm not confusing anything. You calling fishermen stupid is unfair, what do you propose to solve that, IQ tests before people are allowed to vote?

Anyway back to the facts from people who know their industry.

Joint statement from SFF and NFFO on Brexit negotiations.

“For the fishing industry in the UK, leaving the Common Fisheries Policy has always been about redressing a fundamental issue: the woefully unfair allocation of quota shares in our waters, where the EU fleet has an unfettered right of access to the UK’s rich fishing grounds and fish five times more in UK waters than we fish in theirs."

https://www.sff.co.uk/joint-statemen...-negotiations/

Case rested and closed. /Three cheers for brexit.

Is this where we once again point at the history of UK fishers selling their quota's to foreign fishers?

Its not the EU telling the UK other countries get to fish in their water, it was the UK selling the rights to fish in their water to other countries.

And its no surprise that the fishers that bought those quota's in good faith will complain if the UK were to take those quota's away. And you care about good faith so much don't you?

[dribbles]

Is this where we once again point at the history of UK fishers selling their quota's to foreign fishers?

Its not the EU telling the UK other countries get to fish in their water, it was the UK selling the rights to fish in their water to other countries.

And its no surprise that the fishers that bought those quota's in good faith will complain if the UK were to take those quota's away. And you care about good faith so much don't you?

Yes let's revisit the history, not rewrite it as some EU supporters are inclined.

Why did UK fishermen sell their lucrative quotas to foreign fishermen though? They didn't willingly did they.

The EU pirates in Brussels forced them to dispose of them, often at below market value. Brexit is righting that wrong and only taking back control of what the EU plundered in the past so that Britannia rules its own waves going forward once again.

[Gorsameth]

Yes let's revisit the history, not rewrite it as some EU supporters are inclined.

Why did UK fishermen sell their lucrative quotas to foreign fishermen though? They didn't willingly did they.

The EU pirates in Brussels forced them to dispose of them, often at below market value. Brexit is righting that wrong and only taking back control of what the EU plundered in the past so that Britannia rules its own waves going forward once again.

Revist history? sure.
here you go. A history of fishing qouta's in the UK and how the UK fucked this up themselves.
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-uk-fleetwood/

[Inuyaki]

I'm not confusing anything. You calling fishermen stupid is unfair, what do you propose to solve that, IQ tests before people are allowed to vote?

Anyway back to the facts from people who know their industry.

Joint statement from SFF and NFFO on Brexit negotiations.

“For the fishing industry in the UK, leaving the Common Fisheries Policy has always been about redressing a fundamental issue: the woefully unfair allocation of quota shares in our waters, where the EU fleet has an unfettered right of access to the UK’s rich fishing grounds and fish five times more in UK waters than we fish in theirs."

https://www.sff.co.uk/joint-statemen...-negotiations/

Case rested and closed. /Three cheers for brexit.

Nobody said they should not be able to vote.

This still does not mean that they are not stupid and it's also not unfair to call stupid people stupid.
Obviously they are stupid. They voted for their own fucking demise...


And the rest of your post is just bs, like always.

I swear, you could write a bot that just replies to your posts with "Your post is bs" and it would be right all the time. How is that even possible that you not once have a post that is based in reality?

[zealo]

Fishing is nothing but an inconsequential talking point on both sides of the channel, a Brexit red herring.

It is utterly irrelevant to the UK national economy, making up about 0.1% of British GDP.

[dribbles]

??? News from today:

British Fishing Industry Upset by New Brexit Rules

No, that video is not sourced from the British Fishing Industry as you claim.

It is from a single pro EU, socialist, science teacher who has never had to make a profit from fishing in his life. Can we stick to the facts which are sourced from the real British Fishing Industry please?

No other country in the world gives away its fish in the way the UK has for the last 40 years. This is the time to right these wrongs. This is the UK’s once-in-a-lifetime opportunity – the Sea of Opportunity – to climb the ladder of successful seafood nations and for the UK to reap the greatest benefit from our sovereign natural resources – not to continue to give them away for the benefit of others.

https://www.sff.co.uk/joint-letter-t...-sff-and-nffo/

Sticking to the facts as brexiteers have done so all along, rather than made up fake news nonsense from project fear remainers, that's todays letter from the real British fishing industry to the UK PM.