Civil War inside Proud Boys Org

[Kaleredar]

What did he forget to tip is fedora and passing ladies or how to correctly sheathe his katana? What is this LARPING nonsense?

Clearly he wasn't holding his tiki torch up high enough while marching in his cargo shorts.

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No, and its not just conservatives.

Another american civil war has been talked about and in some way expected by alot of people outside the US not just in since the last one ended without really resolvong the issues still present today that spawned it.

And the reasons for said civil war run far deeper than just the political divide.

But america is still a few decades away from it in my opinion,

Yeah, no.

Ain't no civil war happening in America now or any time soon.

The right side of the political spectrum is age-dated and consigned to a very narrow demographic of low-education white males. Every facet of that latter demographic is shrinking in either size or monopoly of power.

What we're seeing is not some grand resurgence of these loons, it's their last dying spasms as they desperately flail out for the power they once had.

[jonnysensible]

What we're seeing is not some grand resurgence of these loons, it's their last dying spasms as they desperately flail out for the power they once had.

I think this is wrong we are seeing a fascist shirt movement act as a wing of an authoritarian party whos appeal is white/nationalist politics. Which will continue to grow not fade.

[Kaleredar]

I think this is wrong we are seeing a fascist shirt movement act as a wing of an authoritarian party whos appeal is white/nationalist politics. Which will continue to grow not fade.

They'll fade if we make them fade. Defeating Trump was a resounding first step in doing so. If Trump had won, you wouldn't be seeing these idiot proud boys arguing over party purity and tearing themselves apart, you'd see them coming together and gearing up to "finally retake the country from the minorities" because they felt a second Trump term had ordained them to do so. They need to be handed defeat after defeat after defeat.

Fight gerrymandering. Fight voter suppression. Instate the popular vote. Instate more term limits for elected officials. Basically, empower the means in which the majority (which 5 of the 6 previous presidential elections have proved is liberal) will have active control over their own cities, counties, states, and the country as a whole.

These slimes only exist in the cracks that have formed in the political power spectrum that have been curated by a party that's dying and knows it's dying and has brought them along for the ride because they needed their energy. And so long as that political party refuses to shed these dangerous psychos, they deserve to fade into obscurity with them.

[Kaleredar]

Very wishful thinking

America will not be brought low by some tiki-torch wielding, cargo-short wearing incels.

[jonnysensible]

They'll fade if we make them fade. Defeating Trump was a resounding first step in doing so.

agree taking the legs out of trump was a good step.

If Trump had won, you wouldn't be seeing these idiot proud boys arguing over party purity and tearing themselves apart

They arent, this story is bogus, its a guy who hasnt been in the group for years making a post and people who dont know how the PBs work saying look a civil war...

, you'd see them coming together and gearing up to "finally retake the country from the minorities" because they felt a second Trump term had ordained them to do so. They need to be handed defeat after defeat after defeat.

they are stabbing people in DC right now, and change minorities for leftist/lib they are neofascist

Fight gerrymandering. Fight voter suppression. Instate the popular vote. Instate more term limits for elected officials. Basically, empower the means in which the majority (which 5 of the 6 previous presidential elections have proved is liberal) will have active control over their own cities, counties, states, and the country as a whole.

Capitalism and climate change are the problems that will stress the growth in the fascist movement not political gamesmanship.

These slimes only exist in the cracks that have formed in the political power spectrum that have been curated by a party that's dying and knows it's dying and has brought them along for the ride because they needed their energy. And so long as that political party refuses to shed these dangerous psychos, they deserve to fade into obscurity with them

the party isnt dying look at the votes lol. they will lean into these pricks and keep open arms stretched out. After looking at the election and the lack of split tickets its not looking great.

[Egomaniac]

America will not be brought low by some tiki-torch wielding, cargo-short wearing incels.

I wouldn't fly that "Mission Accomplished" Banner just yet.

Underestimating those "tiki-torch wielding, cargo-short wearing incels" is how you got President Trump to begin with.

Joe Biden won with 78 million votes...but 73 million voted for Trump. Those people aren't just going to go away because they lost the election.

[jonnysensible]

https://twitter.com/blackhousenew/st...90515329396737

the usual suspects will edit the videos to make it look like the trump marchers are victims.

[Monster Hunter]

Clearly he wasn't holding his tiki torch up high enough while marching in his cargo shorts.

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Yeah, no.

Ain't no civil war happening in America now or any time soon.

The right side of the political spectrum is age-dated and consigned to a very narrow demographic of low-education white males. Every facet of that latter demographic is shrinking in either size or monopoly of power.

What we're seeing is not some grand resurgence of these loons, it's their last dying spasms as they desperately flail out for the power they once had.

This is the kind of dangerous wishful thinking that leads to apathy about the gravity of the current situation, its the equivilant of puting your fingers in your ears with false assurity that tomorrow is a brighter day.

Problem is The alt-right was/is a mellenial construction and is not entirly confined in its membership to the working class white boomer, they may make up a large part of its target demographic, but the ones calling the shots are mellenials and even some gen z new blood, the far right is and always has been a minority that dosn't make them any less dangerous now than at any point in history, nor will they be any less dangerous tomorrow.

if your pinning your hopes on some happy ending, like this is all some story where the good guy is guaranteed to win then your in for some sorry suprises in life, the real world isnt a story, good dosnt often trumph over evil in reality and there will always be the threat of loosing to the right wing.

What also isnt changing because of the nature of its system and culture is america, the reason it will never change is the same reason why you jumped on your star spangled high horse at the mere mention that America could by a civil war fade from world power, the rampant nationalism and patriotism in americas right and left wing blinds it to the harsh reality of the situation it is in domestically and geo politicaly, america is loosing, its been loosing for a while, trump didnt cause it he only excelerated americas decline, a decline Americans can sense and trump taped into to get elected, you cant make great again whats allready great after all and 72mil Americans don't feel america is great anymore and when that writing properly hits the wall, when america and Americans come to face there decline fully, that is when america will tear its self to pices, because america has always been a divided nation held together by patriotism and false grand visions of its self, without those its just a continent of people with vastly different views on how they want society to be.

The sign of the start of the change in americas position in the world was libia, when america wanted to go in and the Europe and its other allies, after the shit show of afghan and Iraq, 2 messes america made them selves by installng those dictators and arming the Taliban, told america to basically fuck off, obama did right after that, going on his world tour and trying to rebuild americas reputation in the world, but trump not only sank that he nuked it, there was a time when the words of the president elect and the leader of the house would have ment something in the UK and in Europe, but the reaction to there oposition to the internal markets bill in the UK has been telling, there hasnt been any backing down or even any outrage towards america, its litteraly been no one in the UK or Europe caring what they have to say, and thats the worst reaction for america.

[Kaleredar]

agree taking the legs out of trump was a good step.

They arent, this story is bogus, its a guy who hasnt been in the group for years making a post and people who dont know how the PBs work saying look a civil war...

they are stabbing people in DC right now, and change minorities for leftist/lib they are neofascist


Capitalism and climate change are the problems that will stress the growth in the fascist movement not political gamesmanship.

the party isnt dying look at the votes lol. they will lean into these pricks and keep open arms stretched out. After looking at the election and the lack of split tickets its not looking great.

I wouldn't fly that "Mission Accomplished" Banner just yet.

Underestimating those "tiki-torch wielding, cargo-short wearing incels" is how you got President Trump to begin with.

Joe Biden won with 78 million votes...but 73 million voted for Trump. Those people aren't just going to go away because they lost the election.

Yeah bit late for that.

What you're doing seems to ignore just how much america has influenced modern fascist and far right movements. It might die down on the surface and you can claim victory but you havent slain the beast, not even close.

Regardless this doesnt seem like its dying down or going anywhere. Just some masks slipping and hierarchies being re-established after a loss.

This is the kind of dangerous wishful thinking that leads to apathy about the gravity of the current situation, its the equivilant of puting your fingers in your ears with false assurity that tomorrow is a brighter day.

Problem is The alt-right was/is a mellenial construction and is not entirly confined in its membership to the working class white boomer, they may make up a large part of its target demographic, but the ones calling the shots are mellenials and even some gen z new blood, the far right is and always has been a minority that dosn't make them any less dangerous now than at any point in history, nor will they be any less dangerous tomorrow.

if your pinning your hopes on some happy ending, like this is all some story where the good guy is guarebteed to win that your in for some sorry suprises in life, the real world isnt a story, good dosnt often trumph over evil in reality and there will always be the treat of loosing to the right wing.

You seem to misconstrue optimism for pacifism. They are not the same thing.

I say ignore them... politically... their demands are not to be met, their politics not to be courted. There should be no meeting in the middle ground on any of their insane caprices. That does not mean ignore their threat. In fact, it means "eliminate their political clout with extreme prejudice" all while politically refusing to give them the time of day. That starts with the aforementioned political machinations I described. A popular vote for presidency would likely ensure that republicans have no realistic path to the presidency under their current iteration, forcing them to either shed these right-wing lunatics or fall into obscurity in the executive branch. Either result is just dandy with me.

You're absolutely off your mark if you think the current traction and presence of these proud boy loons and others like them happened "irrespective of Trump." They and others like them certainly existed before Trump. But they were meek, understated, and, rightfully, afraid. Their traction is not some "turning of the great inevitable arc of political history," it's because they're being actively coddled by politicians and were given, for the past four years, sympathy and tacit support from the highest office in the United States that called them "good people" and told them to "stand by." If you think that has had a "negligible" effect on their existence, then... well, I don't know what to yell you.

Their success is not guaranteed. Nothing is written, and they are not "inevitable." Fascism and right-wing loons are not ordained time in the spotlight.

In fact this ho-hum, "woe is me," "was a Biden victory really a victory if they still exist?" petulant pessimism is tiresome, annoying and unhelpful.


Also, if you think that climate change and economic conditions will be the driving factors behind right-wing hate groups rising and that politics are completely irrelevant... which party is the one that refuses to deal with climate change? Which party are the ones fighting against regulations on big business? Which party is the one fighting against universal healthcare? Which party would be tremendously damaged in their political aspirations by the popular vote, de-gerrymandering, and breaking up a stranglehold on term limits? Which party is courting these right-wing lunatics?

One stone. Lots of troublesome right-wing birds. Y'all are pretending that liberal policies are failing simply because the driver isn't stepping on the progressive gas pedal as hard as you think they should be, while being completely blind to the fact that you have gigantic conservative stopping blocks wedged beneath all your tires.

[Monster Hunter]

You seem to misconstrue optimism for pacifism. They are not the same thing.

I say ignore them... politically... their demands are not to be met, their politics not to be courted. There should be no meeting in the middle ground on any of their insane caprices. That does not mean ignore their threat. In fact, it means "eliminate their political clout with extreme prejudice" all while politically refusing to give them the time of day. That starts with the aforementioned political machinations I described. A popular vote for presidency would likely ensure that republicans have no realistic path to the presidency under their current iteration, forcing them to either shed these right-wing lunatics or fall into obscurity in the executive branch. Either result is just dandy with me.

You're absolutely off your mark if you think the current traction and presence of these proud boy loons and others like them happened "irrespective of Trump." They and others like them certainly existed before Trump. But they were meek, understated, and, rightfully, afraid. Their traction is not some "turning of the great inevitable arc of political history," it's because they're being actively coddled by politicians and were given, for the past four years, sympathy and tacit support from the highest office in the United States that called them "good people" and told them to "stand by." If you think that has had a "negligible" effect on their existence, then... well, I don't know what to yell you.

Their success is not guaranteed. Nothing is written, and they are not "inevitable." Fascism and right-wing loons are not ordained time in the spotlight.

In fact this ho-hum, "woe is me," "was a Biden victory really a victory if they still exist?" petulant pessimism is tiresome, annoying and unhelpful.


Also, if you think that climate change and economic conditions will be the driving factors behind right-wing hate groups rising and that politics are completely irrelevant... which party is the one that refuses to deal with climate change? Which party are the ones fighting against regulations on big business? Which party is the one fighting against universal healthcare? Which party would be tremendously damaged in their political aspirations by the popular vote, de-gerrymandering, and breaking up a stranglehold on term limits? Which party is courting these right-wing lunatics?

One stone. Lots of troublesome right-wing birds. Y'all are pretending that liberal policies are failing simply because the driver isn't stepping on the progressive gas pedal as hard as you think they should be, while being completely blind to the fact that you have gigantic conservative stopping blocks wedged beneath all your tires.

Nice words, but thats all.

That bold bit, thats why america is heading for an apocolypse, and that wont change not in our life times, because americas political system and culture are irreversibly broken, and whilst its broken facist will thrive and grow in the social discord, its the same story thats been played out time and again in nations, america is nothing new or special sorry to burst your bubble.

[jonnysensible]

That starts with the aforementioned political machinations I described. A popular vote for presidency would likely ensure that republicans have no realistic path to the presidency under their current iteration, forcing them to either shed these right-wing lunatics or fall into obscurity in the executive branch. Either result is just dandy with me.

misread your post, i agree and would also add more states but i dont think it will happen.

You're absolutely off your mark if you think the current traction and presence of these proud boy loons and others like them happened "irrespective of Trump." They and others like them certainly existed before Trump. But they were meek, understated, and, rightfully, afraid.

This is a bad take. Was uncle tim meek? are the bundys understated? were The Order afraid?


These groups will get more extreme, people will be killed. and it sucks.

[Mormolyce]

Fight gerrymandering. Fight voter suppression. Instate the popular vote. Instate more term limits for elected officials. Basically, empower the means in which the majority (which 5 of the 6 previous presidential elections have proved is liberal) will have active control over their own cities, counties, states, and the country as a whole.

You won't be able to do that, you need constitutional amendments and you will never get the massive advantage required in the Senate plus ratification in the states. The last real amendment passed was in 1971. Your system of government has completely broken down due to bad faith and deliberate obstructionism.

Republicans will fight to the death to preserve gerrymandering, without it they lose. They have no backup plan, no intention of changing, nor the ability to. They're clinging on to power and privilege until the grave takes them, and they don't care if your democracy falls apart in the process. In fact, that's kind of their favoured outcome.

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Nice words, but thats all.

That bold bit, thats why america is heading for an apocolypse, and that wont change not in our life times, because americas political system and culture are irreversibly broken, and whilst its broken facist will thrive and grow in the social discord, its the same story thats been played out time and again in nations, america is nothing new or special sorry to burst your bubble.

Oh no, change is possible - it's just that it's going to require a civil war. Which the US is essentially on the brink of as we speak.

[Monster Hunter]

You won't be able to do that, you need constitutional amendments and you will never get the massive advantage required in the Senate plus ratification in the states. The last real amendment passed was in 1971. Your system of government has completely broken down due to bad faith and deliberate obstructionism.

Republicans will fight to the death to preserve gerrymandering, without it they lose. They have no backup plan, no intention of changing, nor the ability to. They're clinging on to power and privilege until the grave takes them, and they don't care if your democracy falls apart in the process. In fact, that's kind of their favoured outcome.

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Oh no, change is possible - it's just that it's going to require a civil war. Which the US is essentially on the brink of as we speak.

Depends if you belive a nation post a civil war / revolution is the same nation as before. Id argue there basicly different nations depending on who wins and how vast the changes.

[Egomaniac]

I say ignore them... politically... their demands are not to be met, their politics not to be courted. There should be no meeting in the middle ground on any of their insane caprices. That does not mean ignore their threat. In fact, it means "eliminate their political clout with extreme prejudice" all while politically refusing to give them the time of day.

Until you control the Senate...you can't just ignore their politics. If they maintain control of the Senate...Biden will need to work with them to get anything done. That means their politics are still very much in play. If you can win those Georgia Runoffs...then you'll be in a better position to ignore them....but you still wont be fillibuster proof.

Biden wining the Presidency is A Victory...but it's not The victory. You won a battle. War still rages.

A popular vote for presidency would likely ensure that republicans have no realistic path to the presidency under their current iteration, forcing them to either shed these right-wing lunatics or fall into obscurity in the executive branch. Either result is just dandy with me.

Getting rid of the Electoral College requires a constitutional amendment that will never happen...so the idea of instilling a popular vote for presidency is unrealistic. If you are very lucky you can change the way the EC works so that EC votes are awarded proportionally instead of all or none.

You're absolutely off your mark if you think the current traction and presence of these proud boy loons and others like them happened "irrespective of Trump." They and others like them certainly existed before Trump. But they were meek, understated, and, rightfully, afraid. Their traction is not some "turning of the great inevitable arc of political history," it's because they're being actively coddled by politicians and were given, for the past four years, sympathy and tacit support from the highest office in the United States that called them "good people" and told them to "stand by." If you think that has had a "negligible" effect on their existence, then... well, I don't know what to yell you.

Trump enabled them sure...but they are out there now...and they aren't just going to go away in a Biden Presidency.

Their success is not guaranteed. Nothing is written, and they are not "inevitable." Fascism and right-wing loons are not ordained time in the spotlight.

No one said this. But just as their success is not guaranteed...neither is yours. Biden won, sure. But you still have ~70 million Americans that voted for Trump. That will vote for the Next Trump. You still have a shot at gaining control of the Senate...but you haven't got there yet so keep your eyes on the ball.

In fact this ho-hum, "woe is me," "was a Biden victory really a victory if they still exist?" petulant pessimism is tiresome, annoying and unhelpful.

No one said that. All anyone said is that you still have a lot of work to do before you can claim victory.

[Monster Hunter]

https://twitter.com/blackhousenew/st...90515329396737

the usual suspects will edit the videos to make it look like the trump marchers are victims.

I expect it only to get worse, especially in the run up to inauguration day.

I doubt im the only one who felt a close win by either side was going to cause only increased political violence in the USA, Biden is a win, but he's just another of the old establishment nothing will fundementaly change as it needs to, to fix the problems in America that are the underpinnings of the division and hate, what Biden represents outside the USA is at least 4 years of stability geopoliticaly where nations can continue to disentangle them selves from the USA as they began to under trump and thats some golden bought time for us.

[postman1782]

So, apparently earlier in the day, just to continue this since the Million MAGA marcher thread was closed, apparently an old ass dude was running around pushing people, hitting women and other counter protesters. Of course, the white nationalist apologist Andy FUCKING Ngo "documented" it and edited it down to try to show that it was the guy that was the victim, but the full unedited version shows the guy to be the instigator that bit off more than he could chew and got his ass kicked.

This is the full unedited video that shows the old dude start it by beating up a guy with a bullhorn and almost stomping on his head. https://twitter.com/AreMond2/status/1328133880109555712

Just like with a hate rally last year, where a bus of Nazis was swinging hammers at people and lost it, Andy Ngo edits down his videos to try to show that Antifa/BLM/counter-protesters are the aggressors. And apparently Trump retweeted it, but it seems that Andy Ngo and Trump have deleted their tweets.

[JohnBrown1917]

I wonder where our proud boy poster went, a real mystery.

[Machismo]

I wonder where our proud boy poster went, a real mystery.

Exactly who was that?

[PC2]

I'm enjoying the calm before the storm, it's nice to have these people actually on the defensive for once.

What storm? You mean when Biden becomes president in a couple months? There's no reason to think there will be a storm or civil war or whatever. A lot of politics is just lip service and hardly anything will be different in the coming months and years. Beating Covid is the only major thing that comes to mind.

[PC2]

Eye of the storm is probably a better phrase.

The US is in the middle of some pretty serious civil unrest, you're aware of that right? A year full of riots and death, if this is a new normal for you guys then shit. RiP.

Its not like things were great before either, but if you're that accepting of rapid decline you'll probably be okay.

The "civil unrest" involves a small but highly visibly number of people who are spinning their wheels and wasting their time. Economic statistics and violent rates don't indicate a "rapid decline" in my opinion but I think we'll have a mild post-Covid slump in terms of the statistics. There's no way to know about the magnitude and time frame of these issues but I don't see why I should be particularly worried.