Shadowlands PvP Rewards

[ZDudzik]

This is the single greatest change I've ever seen to PVP gearing. Just got done watching Stoopzz's video on this edit and I have to say, I've been playing WoW for 15 years and this is the most excited I have ever been for an expansion. I can honestly say this might be the best PVP gearing system ever launched. Arena matters, RGBs matter, random BGs matter, pvp gear is BiS for pvp, you have OPTIONS for how you acquire gear, alt gearing is fast and easy to catchup making it a super alt-friendly expansion. I'm literally thrilled to play!

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I hope i wont need to play any casual content x hours per day to stay competetive ... 1h war front 1 h visions 1h emisary quest with titanforge gem bis offsats procs 1h other bsht content
just queue freaking arenas all day long like back in the day on few chars to have fun

You can just spam arena all day long and earn conquest, rating, and honor and be golden brother!

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Blizzard just remove PVP at this point, you're not even trying anymore...

Greatest system they have literally ever created. All aspects of pvp now matter. There will finally be a healthy pvp ecosystem again.

[Pontifice]

It is so lovely that those sweet vendors are coming back!
Perhaps this time to never go away!

[ZDudzik]

It also makes no sense for people who primarily do that content to have the worst gear for that content. They really should just remove gear as a factor completely and be done with it.

Now you literallly get to USE that honor (which you currently can't) towards upgrading gear. It is MEANINGLESS honor right now. In SL, it will have value again hence the incentive to finally do the stuff again.

[oplawlz]

Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?

No, there are many of us - unfortunately blizzard cant monetize us through esports so they don't give a shit about us.

[ZDudzik]

Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!

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Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?

GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

[Big Thanks]

Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!

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GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

I know! Seems good! AAAAAA yelling!

[ZDudzik]

I'm with you! It's the main reason I've stuck to wow for about half of my life. I've got about 400k hk's on my account from many years of just queueing bgs for fun. Wish they'd get some more love.

Precisely! They finally have meaning!!!

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Thats the dream of every PvP youtuber, twitch streamer, redditor, twitter user and onlyfans player.
I sure hope so...

GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

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I wouldn't mind it so much - but I just wish they let healers into my team of random BGs. If that happened - it would be a much more fun experience.

/sarcasm

GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

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Well fudge lickers. Third expansion in a row I won't be playing. Not sure why it's such an inconceivable notion that people who play random bgs be able to gear up and not get facerolled by raiders who use 10 addons to play the game for them.

Good luck trying to farm the requirements for the 3rd vault tier via conquest from Random BGs. This literally was a great change because now ALL forms of pvp content matter. Get conquest from any rated source, random bgs contribute meaningful honor finally so you can upgrade gear, and even forgotten forms of pvp like RGBs now look good because you can get honor fast from it to get a 3rd vault drop. BRILLIANT move by Blizz.

[Lucetia]

Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!

Except it's not really. All this change does is force people back into doing dungeons and raids to get gear to be on par with other conquest players.

PvP Gear starts out at 158 (same level as normal dungeons and covenant is 3 item level's less)

Then Honor gear upgrades 158/164/171/177/183/190/197 and caps at the 197 spot.

You can get iLvL 200 from your weekly heroic, +7-9 M+ (or +2 Great Vault), Normal Raids or be Ranked 0 and get a piece from Great Vault.
You can get iLvL 197 from +6 M+, LFR (gives 194).

Pieces cost varying amounts:

	2H Weapons	1H Weapons Head Chest Leg	Shield Offhands	Shoulders Hands Waist Feet	Neck Ring Cloak Wrist Trinket
Rank 2	2625	1500	750	1200	900
Rank 3	3150	1800	2100	1440	1080
Rank 4	3675	2100	1050	1680	1260
Rank 5	4200	2400	1200	1920	1440
Rank 6	4725	2700	1350	2160	1620
Total	18,375	10,500	6,450	8,400	6,300

You'll get on average about ~250 honor per battleground calculating in wins and losses at about 50% rate. So to fully upgrade one piece of gear to max you'll need at least 25 battlegrounds. These numbers don't account for the initial cost of the item either. In order to upgrade every single slot to max (assuming 1H/OH/Shield; 2H is a bit more) you'll need 126,150 Honor or 14.34 Honor Ranks. Just for upgrading and if you need to purchase it add on about another 10,000 (at least).

Before this Great Vault change you could get Conquest from BG wins/Arena's/RBG's/other activities and get item level 200 gear negating a good chunk of the upgrading cost per week possibly. As you still had RNG on slots you would get due to likely only 1 vault opened rather than all 3.

[Gratlim]

Shadowlands comes out in 3 days and Blizzard decides to overhaul the PvP system? LOL

IKR, it's completely crazy. That's the first time i see them doing something like that that close to launch.

My choices for pvp now as solo Alliance:
- Classic 99% loss to premades WSG AB / 99% loss AV
- Retail useless pvp (no gearing / reward)
- Retail pillar hugging simulator skirmish (no gearing / reward)
- Classic join a toxic premade and close matches in 5 min (win or loss), no pvp beside the first sapper party.
- Retail buy token to buy carry rbg / arena (my guess is that it is the business model right there for Blizz to cash in on the p2w)


Pick your poison

At least with have Torghast now. But damn this is a bad last minute call. I wish we had back BC pvp system.

[Atrieus]

If it turns out i can gear my alts in bgs. At least to a level where they are moderately useful. The new point system may be a godsend.

Revert it back to TBC , or an iteration of it, f all else fails

[Lucetia]

If it turns out i can gear my alts in bgs. At least to a level where they are moderately useful. The new point system may be a godsend.

Revert it back to TBC , or an iteration of it, f all else fails

If that's all you want then you might as well skip BG's and just farm heroics for gear along with World Quests. Less stress/time overall since you'll need at least 30 bg's for 1 piece to be upgraded to 197 when you can get 200 from WQ's after a bit.
@Fayntic made this chart here so you can have a better idea.

[Atrieus]

If that's all you want then you might as well skip BG's and just farm heroics for gear along with World Quests. Less stress/time overall since you'll need at least 30 bg's for 1 piece to be upgraded to 197 when you can get 200 from WQ's after a bit.
@Fayntic made this chart here so you can have a better idea.

Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.

[Lucetia]

Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.

Yeah, everything they said about how it should be sounded good on paper, but as soon as we start looking at numbers it looks terrible. The only thing I can see them doing is reducing the cost of upgrades. Even if they made it 250 for Rank 1, Rank 2 at 500, Rank 3 at 750, etc that's still 5,250 honor and an average of 21 games per piece.

If they increase the amount of honor you get from games then it'll mess up their Honor Level ranking system (which I still think requires too much to begin with). I'd like to see them adjust it, but not sure how they could do it realistically. They would either make it so yo heroic/WQ gear is better (currently now) or make it super easy to upgrade and you bypass Heroic/WQ to get PvP gear quicker.

[Rucati]

It also makes no sense for people who primarily do that content to have the worst gear for that content. They really should just remove gear as a factor completely and be done with it.

The problem with giving gear for BGs is you can literally be AFK and do them. Blizzard doesn't tend to give gear for activities you can do while AFK because that would be pretty stupid.

If you want to be strong in BGs you have to play other aspects of the game that require you to actually play the game, but considering random BGs are irrelevant anyway I don't see why it matters what gear you have for them.

[LordTakeo]

Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?

I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.

[Gravity2015]

I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.

your lips to my Gods ears

[Lucetia]

I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.

your lips to my Gods ears

You do realize there is no incentive to do regular battlegrounds? I've illustrated it in many posts above why. In all of those I also forgot to mention that in order to even upgrade your PvP gear you need certain Renown ranks. So unless you plan on capping your renown on alts as much as possible your alts won't be getting PvP gear and you'll be better off grinding heroics/mythics/lfr/normal raids/world quests.

Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.

One thing I did forget to mention too was that upgrading your PvP gear is based on Renown ranks for Rank 5 and 7 though the Renown table doesn't mention 2-4 or 6.. So unless your Renown is up decently you won't be upgrading those pieces either. Rank 5 unlocks at Week 3 (Rank 7) and Rank 7 unlocks at week 7 (Rank 22)

[Redzonetode]

Do the daily, random and unranked battle grounds, still reward conquest for a win?

If not, does that mean the Gladiator (not elite) appearance is now locked behind rated pvp, which it never has been before?

[Clozer]

Do the daily, random and unranked battle grounds, still reward conquest for a win?

If not, does that mean the Gladiator (not elite) appearance is now locked behind rated pvp, which it never has been before?

Couldn't you just buy it a season later for honour? If the appearance is what you are after. Although I'm not sure if you can still get conquest from unrated pvp. I don't see a reason why not tho.

[LordTakeo]

You do realize there is no incentive to do regular battlegrounds? I've illustrated it in many posts above why. In all of those I also forgot to mention that in order to even upgrade your PvP gear you need certain Renown ranks. So unless you plan on capping your renown on alts as much as possible your alts won't be getting PvP gear and you'll be better off grinding heroics/mythics/lfr/normal raids/world quests.

I mean, I can unlock slots of the Vault now, with Honor, as far as I understood.
Which gives me motivation to do, well, BG's.

Doing BG's passively will give me a taste for SL PvP, and gives me an incentive to learn and seeing how I can snatch that one armor piece that evades me from dungeon spamm, and just power upgrade through it, till it eventually gets replaced when M+ drops.

Also, it's just fun. Getting -anything- meaningful for something I like doing, so I don't feel guilty about wasting my time, is pretty neato.
If I said something factually wrong though, please do correct me, since this is how I interpreted Blizzards post.