Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

How does "biden will use drone strike" lead to you people saying he will use them on US citizens? Like that is somehow the problem, and not the innocent lives that are lost in those attacks.

Must infuriate you that Biden won't kill as many innocent's as communist regimes have.

[PACOX]

So how are you guys liking the Biden Bump in the stock market?

Dow 30,000 all credit goes to Biden who's already breaking records.


(see Donny took credit for the stock market the second he won the election, so what comes around)

Can we not push that rhetoric? Let it fade away with the current administration.

No reason to attribute the stock market to one person (and Black Friday "week" on top of multiple news about vaccines is more likely to cause).


The stock market means little to the average person when it comes to keep their head above water and putting food on the table.

[Endus]

To address Endus' point, yes land doesn't vote, but having a lot of land allows for easier district gerrymandering to your party advantage. At a state level, where redistricting will be conducted next year, GOP has a major advantage over Democrats. If you go on Twitter, there are already preliminary maps showing how easy it is to convert OH from 14R - 4D to 16R - 2D. The same with FL. Democrats failure to win 2020 at state level and take control of redistricting in 2021 will haunt them for a long time.

Gerrymandering is most powerful in closely contested areas. Which generally means urban centers. The gerrymandered districts that extend out into the countryside generally do so to offset the urban population they contain; that's literally the point of the process.

The whole way gerrymandering works is you want to make districts that are as close to 100% in favor of your opponent as possible, while ensuring the remaining districts are as balanced as you can make them. It seems counterintuitive, but consider a population of 100 voters, 40 of whom vote Purple, and the remaining 60 who vote Green. This population must be split into 5 districts. The ideal circumstance for gerrymandering by Purple is to get two districts that each contain 20 Green voters, 100% of the population. In the remaining three, you have 40 Purple voters among them, and only 20 Green voters; as long as you can keep the splits as balanced as possible, Purple wins all three; they get 13/14 voters in each, while Green only has 6/7. And thus, Purple wins the election, with 40% of the popular vote.

That's much easier to accomplish in a densely populated urban center with a mixed-but-demographically-divided population, not so much in rural regions which are much more homogenous.

I was taking issue with your framing of rural voters as where Democrats needed to focus their efforts. That's the bit that doesn't hold up.

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Can we not push that rhetoric? Let it fade away with the current administration.

No reason to attribute the stock market to one person (and Black Friday "week" on top of multiple news about vaccines is more likely to cause).


The stock market means little to the average person when it comes to keep their head above water and putting food on the table.

Seriously, unless you've got a stock portfolio worth millions that you live off of, the performance of the stock market is fundamentally irrelevant to your lifestyle. In fact, it's arguably an inverse relationship, as higher stock prices generally mean the companies therein are becoming more profitable, and that's another word for "exploitative", in a capitalist system; if you're not worth multiple millions, you're part of that exploited population.

[Cthulhu 2020]

At least this thread is giving us a good look at the people who want to paint themselves as openly and unashamedly biased. Biden has yet to be in office a single day. He only just got the go-ahead from the previous administration to begin intelligence briefings (and in the next 3 months, Biden will likely spend more time in intelligence briefings than Trump spent in his entire 4 years) and has yet to actually DO anything, and yet people are already calling for his head for sins he will supposedly commit. Let that sink in.

The obvious response is "WELL PEOPLE DID THAT TO TRUMP BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE" and we had a full year of Trump campaigning on hatred, fear, and lies to see what his administration would be like.

[Felya]

The obvious response is "WELL PEOPLE DID THAT TO TRUMP BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE" and we had a full year of Trump campaigning on hatred, fear, and lies to see what his administration would be like.

People did it to Trump during this period, because of a couple of reasons, that Biden simply doesn’t fit:

1. Trump winning meant that his “bomb the shit out of them and give the oil to Exxon”, the Muslim ban, the Wall and all the other crazy shit Trump campaigned on, would come to fruition. To do the equivalent to Biden, you have to go the Fox route, complain about a national response to covid, student loan forgiveness and the influence of the squad. Now, if that’s what you fear from Biden, then please voice it...

2. Trump was appointing cabinet members like a former Exxon CEO as Secretary of State and Trump children filling many of the advisory roles. Trump hired a disgraced and fired national defense adviser, Flynn, despite explicit warnings from Obama’s transition team. The worst I have seen about Biden’s appointments, is Rubio complaining that they are all boring experts, that will continue Obama’s decline.

3. Trump is a global corporation, that has business everywhere from China, to Germany, to Israel. Trump refused to remove him self completely from his business, with a battle that ended with his son being appointed in his place, at nearly the inauguration. Trump was the candidate that had to untwine him self from more corporate dealings to be president, than any other history, while being the least transparent, breaking transparency traditions that candidates have fulfilled for decades. All of these were dragged passed the inauguration... Biden has none of this... There is no corporation he needs to distance him self from... there is no foreign dealings to sort before taking office... there is no hidden records that are under constant audit... there is no Biden corporation or tower or golf course or vodka or steaks or brand marketing in India...

They wasted 4 years attacking the left, when the Biden they wanted, was already in office.

[Milchshake]

At least this thread is giving us a good look at the people who want to paint themselves as openly and unashamedly biased. Biden has yet to be in office a single day. He only just got the go-ahead from the previous administration to begin intelligence briefings (and in the next 3 months, Biden will likely spend more time in intelligence briefings than Trump spent in his entire 4 years) and has yet to actually DO anything, and yet people are already calling for his head for sins he will supposedly commit. Let that sink in.

The obvious response is "WELL PEOPLE DID THAT TO TRUMP BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE" and we had a full year of Trump campaigning on hatred, fear, and lies to see what his administration would be like.

These are all people that want America to fail. Either; for some rivalry, clear the field for them to take charge, or they really resent multi ethnic coalitions.

For some reason, the US under Bill Clinton or Barrack Obama really hurt their feewlings.

[Omega10]

At least this thread is giving us a good look at the people who want to paint themselves as openly and unashamedly biased. Biden has yet to be in office a single day. He only just got the go-ahead from the previous administration to begin intelligence briefings (and in the next 3 months, Biden will likely spend more time in intelligence briefings than Trump spent in his entire 4 years) and has yet to actually DO anything, and yet people are already calling for his head for sins he will supposedly commit. Let that sink in.

The obvious response is "WELL PEOPLE DID THAT TO TRUMP BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE" and we had a full year of Trump campaigning on hatred, fear, and lies to see what his administration would be like.

Bashing Biden at this stage is giving Biden and also Harris a thick coat of teflon. Here in Georgia, commercials that the republicans are running against the two democrats in the Senate runoff are so over the top that they almost come across as comedy. And republicans have been calling Biden a far left socialist for quite some time. The Rittenhouse murders didn't happen that long ago.

Already people are crowding around to defend Biden and Harris as best they can, knowing that republicans may use their second amendment rights to try to resolve ... disputes. If Biden and Harris can manage to maintain some sense of normalcy in all of this chaos then they will maintain and possibly even expand their popularity. The sheer intensity of the attacks is already making the attackers seem unhinged and out of touch and in some chases psychotic and scary.

It is clear to enough people that Biden has a lot of really hard problems to handle, and that most of them will only be partially solvable at best. I think his Presidency will be a successful one, and all the while republicans and others will be screaming to high heavens about how he is destroying the US. Rubio has already started THAT narrative. And Rubio also saw a lot of push back against his comments.

The Rubio situation is what we have to look forward to for the next 4 years. Biden is as good as anyone to navigate this scenario, especially since he saw it up close and personal when he was Vice President. And Harris will get plenty of opportunity to learn how to navigate these waters for the post-Biden era.

[JohnBrown1917]

These are all people that want America to fail. Either; for some rivalry, clear the field for them to take charge, or they really resent multi ethnic coalitions.

For some reason, the US under Bill Clinton or Barrack Obama really hurt their feewlings.

Its like both of you really can't imagine anybody left of center actually exists and disagree with the right-wing/capitalist policies that all those men have pushed.
Like Bill's cuts of welfare, you think everybody is just supposed to fall in line and agree with it. But thats smalltime relative to the US's foreign policy. Which is a horrible curse upon the world. But you all are too stuck in the whole "politics is a teamgame" mindset to even understand that is possible for people to exist outside the 2 parties, and that some of them actually disagree with what the US is doing to other countries.


But no, its somehow about feelings. Is that all you have left to counter any sort of critism of Biden?

[Benggaul]

So far I am liking Biden's Cabinet picks a lot. Yelen and Blinken are both excellent picks for their roles. Both are extremely respected, no drama, and capable in their fields. Neither are yes-men(or yes-woman), and both will perform well for the nation with minimal fuss. Both will also sail through senate confirmations with no real issue, expect the usual 90+ votes for them.

Both are essential picks for the nation, because both departments have a LOT of repair work to do, and not much time to do it. SecState is going to be one of the hardest jobs in the world in January, so I hope Blinken can hit the ground running, because we can't wait any longer. I am really interested in the DoJ and EPA picks, but these choices make me feel pretty good about it, so I expect competent and respected experts in those fields as well. DoD will be comparatively easy, which is to say still challenging, but it isn't quite as broken as the state department is.

Yeah, I was trying to get the discussion going on this a few pages ago before everyone decided to argue with the cosplay socialist. So far I'm liking all of them and I don't think they'll be too hard to get through the Senate. I'm still not thrilled that he's giving any thought to putting a Republican in the Cabinet but as I myself have stated numerous times bipartisan Cabinets have pretty much always been a thing up until Trump so it wouldn't be unusual...just a touchy subject in light of the past four years of GOP bullshit.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah, I was trying to get the discussion going on this a few pages ago before everyone decided to argue with the cosplay socialist. So far I'm liking all of them and I don't think they'll be too hard to get through the Senate. I'm still not thrilled that he's giving any thought to putting a Republican in the Cabinet but as I myself have stated numerous times bipartisan Cabinets have pretty much always been a thing up until Trump so it wouldn't be unusual...just a touchy subject in light of the past four years of GOP bullshit.

Yeah, my bad about that, I forgot its only okay to talk shit about Trump in these forums. Can't even defend drone strike without yelling about "But muh socialism" or "orange man bad"

[Ripster42]

As much as I disagree with Theo on political issues, they never brought up Hillary in this thread.

Your brain isn't working.

Lol, Yeah, much like Clinton, her solution will be to cut programs like Medicare and Social Security, to the adoring applause of say you.

[JohnBrown1917]

Your brain isn't working.

The horror of missreading a word, I'll kill myself out of shame now.

[Ripster42]

The horror of missreading a word, I'll kill myself out of shame now.

The horror of misreading a word then being a dickhead to other people because they didn't.

[Kaleredar]

So can we get actual news on things Biden and Harris are doing, instead of the ramblings of people who don’t live in the US opining on what they maybe might could do and how that stacks up against their own personal political purity test, or...?

[bladeXcrasher]

So can we get actual news on things Biden and Harris are doing, instead of the ramblings of people who don’t live in the US opining on what they maybe might could do and how that stacks up against their own personal political purity test, or...?

Well, they can't do anything until next year, so unlikely.

[Rasulis]

Well, they can't do anything until next year, so unlikely.

We could talk about his picks. Which is basically "Obama Part III - The Next Generation." Lots of former Deputy Directors under the Obama administration. Basically people that used to work closely with Biden. Not that I am complaining. Not sure the ultra progressive wing of the Democratic party will appreciate that.

[DingDongKing]

Biden-Harris cabinet picks so far are highly predictable, highly safe and highly corporate democrat establishment. They'll do the job, but will anger progressives a lot. I would also be inclined to say that nothing dramatic is going to ever happen under this cabinet apart from things involving student debt, climate change. Which is fine. If they can get to work on those two, it's a great start. Apart from that I'm expecting a steady ship, and that is a-okay. Gradual change with systemic reform is way better than bang shoot, let's tear it all down and start again reform.

[JohnBrown1917]

Biden-Harris cabinet picks so far are highly predictable, highly safe and highly corporate democrat establishment. They'll do the job, but will anger progressives a lot. I would also be inclined to say that nothing dramatic is going to ever happen under this cabinet apart from things involving student debt, climate change. Which is fine. If they can get to work on those two, it's a great start. Apart from that I'm expecting a steady ship, and that is a-okay. Gradual change with systemic reform is way better than bang shoot, let's tear it all down and start again reform.

You reform by actually putting in the people willing to do that, not by putting those who are going to do the opposite.

[Rasulis]

You reform by actually putting in the people willing to do that, not by putting those who are going to do the opposite.

Reform-minded people likely won't pass Senate hearing. Unless Democrats ended up winning both Georgia Senate seats. Then we can talk again.

[Felya]

Your brain isn't working.

The horror of missreading a word, I'll kill myself out of shame now.

Her as in Yellen, not Clinton... I misread it too...

What a shame CommunismWillWin has me on ignore and won’t know he was right... such a... shame... lol