Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

Mnuchin puts $455 billion in COVID-19 relief funds beyond successor's reach

Hey people, Mnuchin is pig feces and so is the Trump Adminstration.



So Trumpkins, they are taking over $455 Billion, with a capital B of funds and propping up the market.

Most of the stories i read said this will easily be deemed illegal and reversible with the new administration without congressional approval.

[Ursus]

Trump just granted a full pardon to Michael Flynn. And so it begins. Who knows what other deplorable pieces of shit will be pardoned between now and January 20?

It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to @GenFlynn
and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!

[Paranoid Android]

Most of the stories i read said this will easily be deemed illegal and reversible with the new administration without congressional approval.

Can't argue the legality and likely overturned. My statement is they tried to do this and again, I'm sorry we just nonchalantly don't care. IF this gets stuck up as in the article it will make the funds almost impossible to touch by the nest Treasure Secretary.

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Trump just granted a full pardon to Michael Flynn. And so it begins. Who knows what other deplorable pieces of shit will be pardoned between now and January 20?

Almost all the Trump shitters believe Flynn was framed, so it will be cheered. As far as people on the other side we just eat our shit and like it.

Pretty amazing that an American President will/can pardon someone who was implicated in his administration and possible contact with a foreign entity to collude on an American President.

[Breccia]

Trump just granted a full pardon to Michael Flynn.

Remember, it's not blatant corruption when you say you're innocent.

[Paranoid Android]

Remember, it's not blatant corruption when you say you're innocent.

Hollywood or Netflix could make a movie or series where the protagonist is facing multiple criminal charges, decides to run for President. Wins. Then pardons himself and all his criminal buddies. Based on a true story.

[Redwyrm]

Hollywood or Netflix could make a movie or series where the protagonist is facing multiple criminal charges, decides to run for President. Wins. Then pardons himself and all his criminal buddies. Based on a true story.

Wasn't Lex Luther elected as President. We got Lex Stupid

[cubby]

Most of the stories i read said this will easily be deemed illegal and reversible with the new administration without congressional approval.

I would guess that most of these last minute scorched earth policies by Trump are going to be reversable when Biden officially arrives. For right now, Biden and his ridiculously experienced advisers and experts know exactly where to push buttons and pull levers to fatally delay or outright halt the Insane Death Cult Leader's machinations.

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Trump just granted a full pardon to Michael Flynn. And so it begins. Who knows what other deplorable pieces of shit will be pardoned between now and January 20?

I'm wondering if he's going to pardon his immediate family, Nixon-esque style.

[Benggaul]

Wasn't Lex Luther elected as President. We got Lex Stupid

Missed a good opportunity for Lex Stupor.

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I'm wondering if he's going to pardon his immediate family, Nixon-esque style.

Cool, so ALL of them lose 5th Amendment rights then? Along with Flynn? Meaning if they're called to testify before Congress they must do so and if they lie they're thrown in jail?

[Ursus]

I'm wondering if he's going to pardon his immediate family, Nixon-esque style.

I think it's extremely likely that he does, though he'll probably wait until right before January 20 to do so, just to cover any bullshit they might be pulling as we speak.

To me the only question is whether he will try to pardon himself, and what kind of constitutional crisis that would set off.

[Draco-Onis]

I'm wondering if he's going to pardon his immediate family, Nixon-esque style.

I wonder if he will pardon Maxwell he did wish her well and wouldn't be surprised if she has dirt on him.

[Breccia]

I'm wondering if he's going to pardon his immediate family, Nixon-esque style.

Almost certainly. And he'll be greeted with applause from the rabid fanbase for doing so. He'll say "Hatch Act" but it will be blanket for reasons we all know.

[beanman12345]

Cool, so ALL of them lose 5th Amendment rights then? Along with Flynn? Meaning if they're called to testify before Congress they must do so and if they lie they're thrown in jail?

That is my understanding yes. It why this could backfire on trump bigly.

[Skulltaker]

Can presidential pardons be recinded by the successor?

[Edge-]

Can presidential pardons be recinded by the successor?

Not that I know of, they're pretty final.

[Noxx79]

Can presidential pardons be recinded by the successor?

No. Pardons are forever. Flynn will just have to do with being in the same category as a racist sheriff and a war criminal.

Otoh, if the fbi needs Flynn to testify regarding any of the trump crap, then he can no longer plead the fifth about this.

[Ursus]

Can presidential pardons be recinded by the successor?

No, unfortunately. Though it's worth noting that Presidential pardons only apply to federal charges. If any of these people have committed crimes for which they could face state charges, the pardon wouldn't protect them at all against those.

[PhaelixWW]

No, unfortunately. Though it's worth noting that Presidential pardons only apply to federal charges. If any of these people have committed crimes for which they could face state charges, the pardon wouldn't protect them at all against those.

They'd have to be new charges or old charges that were never prosecuted; double jeopardy should prevent him from being tried for state versions of the federal crimes of which he's already been convicted.

[Skulltaker]

No, unfortunately. Though it's worth noting that Presidential pardons only apply to federal charges. If any of these people have committed crimes for which they could face state charges, the pardon wouldn't protect them at all against those.

So, just from a hypothetical point of view, a President could pardon treason, but not murder, since one is a federal crime, and the other is a state crime?

Also, can he pardon any federal crime? That might be something you'd want to get rid off...

[cubby]

I wonder if he will pardon Maxwell he did wish her well and wouldn't be surprised if she has dirt on him.

That would be an interesting move. She would still be available for subpoena and would more than likely face state charges. But yeah, she also probably has dirt on Trump - will be fun to watch.

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They'd have to be new charges or old charges that were never prosecuted; double jeopardy should prevent him from being tried for state versions of the federal crimes of which he's already been convicted.

I would not be surprised if the federal charges omitted certain actions/crimes that could be covered by state charges, just for this eventuality.

[beanman12345]

So, just from a hypothetical point of view, a President could pardon treason, but not murder, since one is a federal crime, and the other is a state crime?

Also, can he pardon any federal crime? That might be something you'd want to get rid off...

Murder is federal if the murder is a cop or a few other scenarios, but overall yes, he can only pardon federal and not state. A governor can pardon for a state crime. So even if he pardoned himself and that held up, he's not free of the criminal charges the DA of Manhattan is going after him for.