Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

It did not increase in Georgia, the state you are crediting Saint Abrams with getting all the black votes in existence. The position I stated was it was down compared to previous years and in the South were Clyburn is, and Abrams for that matter it was at 2006 levels.

I mean, you can continue to embarrass yourself, your source says it increased, my source says It increased, there really is nothing to argue.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I have to wonder what the people who keep railing on Democrats think would actually happen if Bernie got elected?

Socialist policy would not come to pass, because the executive branch is not the legislature.

Why do you people keep masturbating over a Bernie presidency, when anyone with a basic knowledge of civics could tell you that it would not bring about even a fraction of a percent of a socialist paradise? It's the same mistake that the alt-right made. They believed a Trump presidency would end immigration and make those black people accept racism against them. They believed a border wall would be built. Look at the Trump presidency, not just a lame duck, a disgrace. No significant policy and what little Trump did accomplish for the alt right agenda is going to be dismantled by Biden.

I realize the "I'm a real socialist and you're a fake socialist!" LARPers enjoy fighting and making enemies with the other 90% of the country that isn't them, but come on guys, can you please obtain some perspective?

[Omega10]

First, Despite Clyburn, Black turnout in the GE was uber low, with say Georgia being at 2006 levels.

Second, America voted? A political PARTY voted against those things. The Democrats voted against those things. The DNC made clear where they stand. Biden ran AGAINST those issues and vowed to veto M4A if it came to him, and opposed everything and his aides were hinting that austerity would rule the day once they got power. What are you smoking right now?

Finally, Democrats ran the most right-wing Presidential candidate they could find, ran a small legion worth of ex-CIA goons and trotted out the worst of the worst of the Bush Admin as celebrated allies.

If you think this shit performance is on AOC, than you either need to cut back on your drug intake or up the dosage. Consult your doctor or dealer post haste my friend.

Blacks chose Biden over Sanders all over the south in the democratic primary. And by pretty large numbers if I remember correctly. And Clyburn's endorsement of Biden was credited for quite a bit of this. If my memory is even close to being correct it was southern blacks on Super Tuesday that changed the race from Sanders winning to Biden winning. Southern blacks spoke loud and their voice was heard: NO SOCIALISM.

And I am not blaming any of this on AOC. She has done a great job given the cards she has had to play.

Go back to the democratic primary: Up until about the week before Super Tuesday, Bernie was doing quite well and he was doing his job of promoting his policies. Then Super Tuesday happened and he was toast and Biden was the nominee. It's overly simplified, but once again if my memory is correct it's quite accurate.

[Mihalik]

The notion that Trump will become irrelevant come January is frankly silly.

The GOP is a one man show now, a cult of personality dedicated to Donald Trump. He will continue to shape the GOP and will make or break pretty much any conservative politician.

While Trump isn't a long game policy oriented kinda guy he will make hamstringing and vilifying the Biden administration his personal goal. This will just mean that instead of the ideological deadlock of the Obama years now its personal and any and all interaction between the Democrats and the GOP will be defined by Trump's personal idiosyncrasies.

And this will be replicated at the state and local political level.

Qanon won't go away either. On the contrary, Trump's defeat will make all the insane "deep state" conspiracies that much worse.

Furthermore the Trump clan could evolve into a type of conservative "Kennedy" clan, where they will shape GOP politics for a couple of generations.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The notion that Trump will become irrelevant come January is frankly silly.

The GOP is a one man show now, a cult of personality dedicated to Donald Trump. He will continue to shape the GOP and will make or break pretty much any conservative politician.

While Trump isn't a long game policy oriented kinda guy he will make hamstringing and vilifying the Biden administration his personal goal. This will just mean that instead of the ideological deadlock of the Obama years now its personal and any and all interaction between the Democrats and the GOP will be defined by Trump's personal idiosyncrasies.

And this will be replicated at the state and local political level.

Qanon won't go away either. On the contrary, Trump's defeat will make all the insane "deep state" conspiracies that much worse.

Furthermore the Trump clan could evolve into a type of conservative "Kennedy" clan, where they will shape GOP politics for a couple of generations.

This post contains a lot of truth, but to be frank, all of this began long before Trump. The GOP has largely been a home to all of the racists and xenophobes for many decades now. They just hid underground because they knew their blatant prejudice was not accepted by society as a whole. You could not bring up shitty opinions in most polite conversation, so most bit their tongue.

Along comes the internet, and suddenly these people who have been hiding in plain sight have anonymity. They have the ability to spew their filthy opinions in a safe space free of consequence. Suddenly they find that there are a lot of other people just like them, and they are not alone. The internet brought about the spread of information, true enough, but it also brought about the spread of misinformation. The cult of the alt-right was seeded by the hatred boiling within every reactionary. The problem was, there was no politician who was openly racist since Nixxon, and certainly not since the proliferation of the internet, that they could call leader. Donald Trump idolized himself by appealing to the worst of the alt-right's personality.

We all think Trump News Network will be some giant joke that fails (and it probably will be) but it will likely enjoy some years of success just because that cult of personality now thinks Fox News is fake news for calling the election for Biden.

Gods, I have never wished death on someone, but well, Trump is old, and I would not shed a tear if he keeled over on January 22.

[Omega10]

The notion that Trump will become irrelevant come January is frankly silly.

The GOP is a one man show now, a cult of personality dedicated to Donald Trump. He will continue to shape the GOP and will make or break pretty much any conservative politician.

While Trump isn't a long game policy oriented kinda guy he will make hamstringing and vilifying the Biden administration his personal goal. This will just mean that instead of the ideological deadlock of the Obama years now its personal and any and all interaction between the Democrats and the GOP will be defined by Trump's personal idiosyncrasies.

And this will be replicated at the state and local political level.

Qanon won't go away either. On the contrary, Trump's defeat will make all the insane "deep state" conspiracies that much worse.

Furthermore the Trump clan could evolve into a type of conservative "Kennedy" clan, where they will shape GOP politics for a couple of generations.

I agree. Trump's children seem ready to carry the Trump mantle forward. And Trump supporters seem like they will remain Trump supporters, just supporting different Trumps.

If anything, the ads in the Georgia Senate runoffs on the republican side are even more unhinged than the ads that ran during the general election. And from what I can tell, this is motivating republicans quite a bit.

It also seems to be motivating democrats. I would not be surprised in the least if the runoffs generated a record turnout. And my suspicion is that the vote totals for the two republican Senate candidates will be about the same, and so will the vote totals of the two democratic Senate candidates.

[tikcol]

Is it on the level of "wet, in regards to water. ocean water", windmills cause cancer, 3 million illegals voted in 2016, staring a solar eclipse, Biden Ukraine, Biden laptop, Uranium One, making fun of military family, not knowing Puerto Rico was part of the U.S. or the THOUSANDS of other shit or are they simple fucking gaffes?

If you are going to play this game of "they said insane stuff too" you're going to need to show evidence there and then realize we have a president that has said thousands of insane phrases, speeches, and tweets.

Come back when something is more insane then injecting disinfectant and injecting sunlight.

It's pretty clear you believe all that so following your own train of thought you're saying you wouldn't protest eating a fairly benign piece of shit just because someone shoved a big turd down your throat in the past.

Do you set your standards upside-down all the time or just when it comes to political convenience?

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's pretty clear you believe all that so following your own train of thought you're saying you wouldn't protest eating a fairly benign piece of shit just because someone shoved a big turd down your throat in the past.

Do you set your standards upside-down all the time or just when it comes to political convenience?

Just because we've had to endure 4 years of eating shit under Trump doesn't mean we wanted another 4 years of it. I'd choose going hungry over eating Trump's shit daily.

[Stormspellz]

Because it is something they would do. Harris would be a though candidate to be beat assuming she plays her position well enough once in the spotlight.

Left but safely for moderates. Left enough for progressives 'fuck it' and vote for her as long she stays away from her past as an AG.

First black woman Indian President elected? And she would be ~60, not too young and not too old. Easy ticket.

what in the world makes you think "its something they would do?" again this right wing talking point is just off the wall weird

[Mihalik]

sip

Ladies and gentlemen. I would like to introduce you to a live specimen of a "Progressive" designed by the Koch Brothers in cooperation with the Lincoln Project and the Chamber of Commerce.

Cloned out of the ideological DNA distilled from Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Wall Street and Ronald Reagan himself.

I hope you'll all enjoy being told that you don't matter and you are all crazy/delusional for even considering silly things like single payer healthcare. After 2 years of all that make sure you turn out for the midterms in 2022.*sic

Anyway... I do find the abject refusal to learn anything from 2016 hilarious.

[PACOX]

what in the world makes you think "its something they would do?" again this right wing talking point is just off the wall weird

I feel like you completely missed what I was saying.

Its a right-wing talking point to see that the right-wing would do something?

If you don't know the GOP is as devious as it is cunning when it comes to politics I don't know what to tell you. Why do you think they forced Palin onto McCain? Two politicians who mixed like oil and water.

[tikcol]

Just because we've had to endure 4 years of eating shit under Trump doesn't mean we wanted another 4 years of it. I'd choose going hungry over eating Trump's shit daily.

That wasn't my point though. The point is that people in general keep talking about Trump problems everytime something bad about Biden is brought up as if that justifies anything.

The election is over, you don't get to choose anymore, now you're stuck with the Biden turd and Trump has nothing to do with Biden's character

[DingDongKing]

I mean, you can continue to embarrass yourself, your source says it increased, my source says It increased, there really is nothing to argue.

I think the key point that your opponent in this conversation seems to be missing is that
‘Share of Electorate’ = Percentage of Total Vote. I haven’t looked at the stats but it’s fairly simple.

Total turnout for Dems in 2020 could be 200. This total turnout is higher than 2016, which was 100. However unlike in 2016, where the ‘black share of the electorate’ was 20%, this time it’s 15%, the lowest since 2006. However...30 is still more than 20. So turnout increased, but so did turnout amongst white voters for Democrats.

[beanman12345]

I think the key point that your opponent in this conversation seems to be missing is that
‘Share of Electorate’ = Percentage of Total Vote. I haven’t looked at the stats but it’s fairly simple.

Total turnout for Dems in 2020 could be 200. This total turnout is higher than 2016, which was 100. However unlike in 2016, where the ‘black share of the electorate’ was 20%, this time it’s 15%, the lowest since 2006. However...30 is still more than 20. So turnout increased, but so did turnout amongst white voters for Democrats.

Yeah I addressed that in my first reply. 2020=1,200,000 black votes in GA. 2016= 500,000 black votes in GA. She wanted to prove to all of us that she just can't comprehend information she's reading. She literally kept quoting the same microsoft news that said black vote turnout increased just that other demo's increased by even more.

Turnout was overwhelmingly massive across the board.

[Dontrike]

It's pretty clear you believe all that so following your own train of thought you're saying you wouldn't protest eating a fairly benign piece of shit just because someone shoved a big turd down your throat in the past.

Do you set your standards upside-down all the time or just when it comes to political convenience?

Cute. Again, you need to come up with something equally crazy for it to be a blip on the radar right now and not just tan mustard and dijon suit, fist bumping, missing flag pin, and the like.

We had 8 years of "he's a Muslim", "he's giving us healthcare so therefore we should expect death camps" (ironic now), "he was born elsewhere, I have his birth certificate with me" (Trump said this), "Sharia Law", and more.

You going "Biden said something crazy" is now set on a scale there wasn't before. The scale was increased thanks to Trump so the usual "Biden stuttered" or "he got a number or date wrong" isn't going to fly anymore. Even Bush's pretzel choking doesn't appear on the radar when we've had four years of pure, bat shit insanity that was Trump.

My standards changed when the standard itself changed.

I noticed that you didn't show evidence of this "crazy stuff" Biden said, but instead you decided to bitch about something that doesn't matter. Good on you for helping me prove my point.

Again, come back when you have something, until then though I'll be over here not giving a damn what you think of my standards.

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That wasn't my point though. The point is that people in general keep talking about Trump problems everytime something bad about Biden is brought up as if that justifies anything.

You brought up nothing but vague claims.

[tikcol]

Cute. Again, you need to come up with something equally crazy for it to be a blip on the radar right now and not just tan mustard and dijon suit, fist bumping, missing flag pin, and the like.

We had 8 years of "he's a Muslim", "he's giving us healthcare so therefore we should expect death camps" (ironic now), "he was born elsewhere, I have his birth certificate with me" (Trump said this), "Sharia Law", and more.

You going "Biden said something crazy" is now set on a scale there wasn't before. The scale was increased thanks to Trump so the usual "Biden stuttered" or "he got a number or date wrong" isn't going to fly anymore. Even Bush's pretzel choking doesn't appear on the radar when we've had four years of pure, bat shit insanity that was Trump.

My standards changed when the standard itself changed.

I noticed that you didn't show evidence of this "crazy stuff" Biden said, but instead you decided to bitch about something that doesn't matter. Good on you for helping me prove my point.

Again, come back when you have something, until then though I'll be over here not giving a damn what you think of my standards.

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You brought up nothing but vague claims.

I didn't claim anything. If your standard is Biden can do no wrong because.. Trump. Then there's nothing more to say.

You made your own bed one way or the other. You have Biden come January and you're still obsessing over Trump.

Wrong thread mate

[JohnBrown1917]

The notion that Trump will become irrelevant come January is frankly silly.

The GOP is a one man show now, a cult of personality dedicated to Donald Trump. He will continue to shape the GOP and will make or break pretty much any conservative politician.

While Trump isn't a long game policy oriented kinda guy he will make hamstringing and vilifying the Biden administration his personal goal. This will just mean that instead of the ideological deadlock of the Obama years now its personal and any and all interaction between the Democrats and the GOP will be defined by Trump's personal idiosyncrasies.

And this will be replicated at the state and local political level.

Qanon won't go away either. On the contrary, Trump's defeat will make all the insane "deep state" conspiracies that much worse.

Furthermore the Trump clan could evolve into a type of conservative "Kennedy" clan, where they will shape GOP politics for a couple of generations.

Nah, I think another more extreme nutjob will just replace him as the figurehead in 2028 or maybe even 2024. Depends on whoever wins the next term for the GoP

[Dontrike]

I didn't claim anything. If your standard is Biden can do no wrong because.. Trump. Then there's nothing more to say.

You made your own bed one way or the other. You have Biden come January and you're still obsessing over Trump.

Wrong thread mate

You're right, you didn't claim that, it's been a week since the first post I responded to and I forgot who it was originally, but the poster I quote did in fact make that claim.

Both Biden and Harris have already said some pretty outrageous things. There is nothing to indicate they will stop doing so.

I in no way alluded to Biden doing no wrong, just that there's a new scale to go by.

[DingDongKing]

Yeah I addressed that in my first reply. 2020=1,200,000 black votes in GA. 2016= 500,000 black votes in GA. She wanted to prove to all of us that she just can't comprehend information she's reading. She literally kept quoting the same microsoft news that said black vote turnout increased just that other demo's increased by even more.

Turnout was overwhelmingly massive across the board.

Kinda why have the person you're talking about on ignore. Just no time for that nonsense. It also speaks to a bigger issue I'm seeing more and more. Trump supporters love coming back at people with this, 'why can't we co-exist?! why are we being persecuted for being Trump supporters?!'

No one is persecuting, but we're at loggerheads because their leader is willing to throw the entire country under the bus, and they're enabling it. Furthermore, they're all so far past the point of logic and reason, that co-existing means dumb oneself down severely just to 'see eye to eye'.

[PhaelixWW]

Sorry, but your are just factually incorrect.

And from the same source, quoting a NYTimes article:

The findings suggest that Mr. Biden’s win in Georgia may not yet herald a new progressive majority in what was a reliably red state, as Democrats still depend on the support of traditionally conservative voters to win statewide.

I guess Biden was the right choice this time after all.

Total turnout for Dems in 2020 could be 200. This total turnout is higher than 2016, which was 100. However unlike in 2016, where the ‘black share of the electorate’ was 20%, this time it’s 15%, the lowest since 2006. However...30 is still more than 20. So turnout increased, but so did turnout amongst white voters for Democrats.

I think the important thing to acknowledge is that that increase in white voter share this election is likely to be a potential one-time anti-Trump thing, whereas the increase in black voter share is more likely to be a permanent boost for Democrats.