meanwhile in france https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55100247 ....
12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings
At least, they did not shot him.
Joke aside, even "if" he rebelled, he should have not ended up in that state. Those Police Officers should be sanctioned then cast off the "Police Nationale".
they are suspended in fact and macron even said that france cant accept this police conduct (or something like this, im translating from france->italian->english).
but this in a situation where, from my understanding, macron's government is trying to push some shaddy law against the diffusion of photo and video of french policemen
12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings
That law, in fact the "article 24" of that law, states that you can't post video of Police Officers if we can see their face (so they can't be recognized by any shaddy individual). Though you can still post that video if you blur their faces.
It is a gross sum up, the issue is far more complex than that.
They're in public service. In public spaces. Doing official work. They shouldn't have any expectations of privacy.
I assume they have to identify themselves to members of the public, and have their names and badge numbers on their uniforms. How is their face any different?
Because a Police Officer face can be recognized, thus his family becoming a target.
Obviously, any Police Officer should always have his badge and "ID number" on him (though it is unfortunately non mandatory) and they should have body cam as well always running (they are becoming more and more mandatory).
I've literally never had an interaction with an officer where they refused to give me their name. Nor do I see any grounds under which they shouldn't be obliged to give out their name, rank, and ID number when asked by a citizen.
Stuff that noise. A police officer identifying themselves puts no one innocent at risk. It doesn't even put the officer at risk. The only reason to fear giving out that information is if you're engaging in unlawful conduct as an officer and don't want to have it reported to your superiors.So you do not mind putting innocents at risk ?
The only real exception to this is undercover work with organized crime, where the officer both has a false identity they're supporting, and the people they're undercover with are dangerous enough to warrant such considerations.
If you're just engaging in normal beat cop stuff, managing protestors or conducting normal arrests or the like? You have no need for anonymity. You, and your family, are already protected from unlawful persecution.
A Police Officer should refuse to give his name to any citizen but should give his ID when asked, simple as that.
And as I guess, you do not care about what can happen to families of Police Officers. Even if the Police Officer did some unlawful action, and is properly reported, he will (depending of his actions): lose his job and do prison time. That is punishment enough. You do not need to put his family in danger.
Same if he did lawful action, and some people are trying to get revenge on him.
That's . . . the same thing.
I said stuff that noise.And as I guess, you do not care about what can happen to families of Police Officers.
This is you being baity, dishonest, and abusively misrepresenting my points. I'm not giving it further consideration until you start playing fair.
You are aware they are public workers and their names and salary information is often available online because they are public workers who serve the public
the problem is that doesn't happen... it's as though you have no fucking clue what thread you're in. Is this like the affliction of clueless kind of racist Europeans?
With ID, I am talking about their ID number which is not something that is publicly accessible.
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Name of Police Officers are not available onliney. I do not know where you get that from. I wonder who is clueless here.
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Right when I was talking about someone clueless..
https://www.oaklandca.gov/staff
They appear to be in Oakland, along with every what looks like every other public city employee. Which kinda makes sense considering they're all technically employed by the local taxpayers, after all. And the city email addresses for them, too
It seems that you keep getting at that officers and their families would be at risk from the broader public if they were known to be police officers, or something? Or am I way off the mark here.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi