Do you mean the Arbiter as opposed to the Archon (of Bastion), aka Kyrestia the Firstborne? The sibling state of the Eternal Ones is kind of up in the air itself, though; as while the Primus refers to Zovaal/The Jailer as "our brother" and Kyrestia refers to Sire Denathrius "our brother," the Winter Queen refers to the Primus as "old friend."
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Counterparts, but not connected. To my knowledge, the Pantheon of Death came before the Titans and have no similarities to the celestial titanic human looking beings that are birthed from world souls.
I can however see that whoever created the Pantheon of Death(if they were created or if they were just natural beings that were brought together) also seeded those worlds with World Souls, but something probably went wrong and the Titans woke up and had to find their own purpose. There's just not enough similarities to connect them besides looking too much into the word "Pantheon".
I do however think the Titans could be the First Ones who probably seeded worlds with their souls, kinda similar to what goes on in Ardenwield, but lost their memories and that could possibly be why Zovaal is imprisoned.
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Exactly, like we'll probably see a pantheon of Light and Void eventually, but has nothing to do with the Titan's "Pantheon"
It's clearly Elune.
Elune is typically identified as "she", and Ysera has always been affiliated with Elune and the Light. The Winter Queen makes a very direct and obvious reference here.
Also, it's doubtful that the Titans were the First Ones. I have nothing to back that up but it's likely that the Titans have been written out of the story with the conclusion of Sargeras' Burning Crusade and we're seeing the true progenitor entities that were present for the forming of the cosmos (the Light and the Void). Everything in the story up to this point is heading in that direction.
The Titans have sealed themselves away, in a remote location somewhere across the entire Nether. Their story is finished.
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Correct. Definitely seems like the sibling status/state is not so consistent amongst the Eternal ones, but defintely haven't see any of them reference the Arbiter as a sibling. Which is why i don't think the winter queen is referring to the Archon or Kyrestia.
I also feel like the Arbiter may be quite different than the other Eternals. While the others look more flesh and blood, the Arbiter seems more construct like.
Also i think someone mentioned this earlier but, the Winter Queen mentioned that they tapped into the Heart of the Forest to aid in imprisoning Zovaal. And she speaks to not only having to balance the anima between pods but also to sustain the anima required to keep Zovaal in his prison. Imo, she expended the most to keep him locked in the Maw. Each of the Eternals did their part, but it seems like because the Heart of the Forest is in Ardenweald, her realm has suffered more than most. This may be a tangent but i think it's worth exploring.
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I was inclined to think Eonar, but that depends on the role of the titans. They consider themselves to be creatures of order, but curiously they spawn from the material world and have all kinds of powers, ranging from arcane to life (Eonar) and fel (Sargeras) and death (Argus).
Also they are curiously able to die, if only when in a vulnerable state (think of the planet Sargeras cleaved) AND when adult titans die their souls don't go to any plane, perhaps even allowing them to regenerate fully in time.
So yeah: If the titans are truly creatures of order then it seems like Elune might be the true source of Ysera's power, as she seems quite life-aligned.
But if the titans mischaracterized themselves and they are the gods of the physical universe, then it seems Eonar, as one directly involved in Ysera's ascension, is the "sister".
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
I think the whole "sibling" thing is more a figure of speech than any actual relationship between them. Winter Queen could possibly mean it in a more literal manner. Since the entirety of Ardenweald is a pretty obvious reference to the Winter Court of Fae, there is likely to be a Summer Court as well, which would probably be Life aligned and lead by her sister. Just being connected to Life would already give her a connection to Ysera, a long-term resident of the Emerald Dream.
Doesn't mean we have to have encountered her, though. I don't see enough evidence to make any declarative statements currently.
Both of those had circumstances that make it hard to make any generalised statements from them. Sargeras was himself an Order being, and may be able to cause final death to other Titans due to that, if that is even what happened. We also know that Aman'thul at least tried to weave a protective spell when Sargeras attacked them, so that may not be the normal outcome for them.
For all we know, the World Soul of the world Sargeras chopped to pieces might simply have gone to whatever plane of Order there is, and Aman'thul might actually accidentally have made things more complicated when just letting Sargeras think he succeeded would have been more practical. As best as we know, the Titans themselves aren't truly aware what would happen where they to die "normally", if only because no conscious Titan ever has.
Ofcourse it is a figure of speach.But if you have read The Malazan book of the follen.Ericson shows there how can a not blood related entities become one family.(K'rul,Drakonus,Nightchil)
Basically what that means to the Eternals is that they being part of the same pantheon then they share the same responsibilities and duties.Also their powers intervene.This is how they become a family.
It begins with absence and desire.It begins with blood and fear.It begins with....
I think the Firsts created all the Pantheons and they consider each other brothers and sisters. Eonar and the Winter Queen are especially close, as they are both associated with Life. We also know that The Primus himself used his time to hone his tactical and strategic skills beyond mortal constraints. It is said that he once sought out an unknown ally who could show him the infinite timeways and allow him to observe the same battle over and over again and see how slight differences in strategy and troop deployment could change the outcome of a conflict. After eons of such study, the Primus could instantly assess any situation and devise the likeliest path to victory. I think the Primate's ally is Aman'tul. The Wild Hunt also sells Memory of Eonar. Also note that the Winter Queen has nothing against the Night Elves, Tyrande, or those night warriors in animal form, but she is clearly unhappy to see Ysera. So her sister is clearly Eonar, not Elune.
I don't think she was talking about Elune or Eonar since both of them are clearly out of her league. The Eternal Ones seem to correlate to titan keepers in power level and origin, so perhaps she meant Freya. In this case, the word "sister" was obviously not used literally but rather in the meaning of "my counterpart in the physical realm".
Much like the Titans shaped and brought order to different worlds in the GDB, the First Ones shaped and brought order to the Shadowlands. This means that the Eternal Ones are of the First Ones' design, put in charge over the key realms of the Shadowlands just like the Titans put their keepers in charge of physical worlds. So the correlation is there.
Another thing to consider is the size and power level of the Titans and the Eternal Ones. The Titans were planet-sized, they could squash Old Gods with their hand, while the Eternal Ones are nothing of the sort. They are the size of titan keepers and struggle to keep their realms together during the drought. It took a great amount of effort for the Winter Queen to bring Ysera back and she even started to wilt in the process.
Also, Blizzard never said that the two Pantheons were similar, they said that the Pantheons are connected in some way.
Elune feels like a First Ones tier goddess. Eonar is more likely to be the Winter Queen's sister.
There are little to no facts to go on, who she meant.
I dont feel any connection between Eonar and the WinterQueen. While the Titans created the Dragon Aspects, I also dont think there is much further connection. It doesnt look like a "Pet" Relationship, but a Servant in that regard.
While Elune has her godly fingers on Azeroth since the Beginning. And The NightElves aswell as Ysera are rather close to Elune. So in my Opinion it makes much more sense to considere them Elunes Pets. I hope they explore that a bit further.
As I understood the story, the Winter Queen was indeed sister of Eonar, but now dead.
So Eternal Ones being Dead Titans.
If you think about it, the SL realms are very *ordered* for planes that are part of a plane of Death. The In-Between is more "unordered" if you ask me.
So Eternal One being former Titans explains well them doing this Order stuff.
Denathrius may be the dead World-Soul of Nathreza, explaining both how he can be the creator of Nathrezim and the Nathrezim having had their own homeworld.