Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[DKjaigen]

His policies were absolute DOGSHIT TRASH. It wasn't Obama's fault that the middle class got decimated, it was Bush's fault with the crash of the economy.

You really need to talk with someone actually living in the rustbelt.

And at least with Biden he will listen to the medical experts, instead of pushing untested drugs or dangerous chemicals as potential treatments. And Economists are predicting that with Biden's plans it will boost the economy more than Trump by a long shot.

Oh boy do you think that is going to safe you from COVID? To defeat covid you need to actually abide by the rules of the lockdown and this last year neither poltical party where obeying it. Im looking at the BLM rallies and victory parties after the presidential election. The trump rallies didnt do much good either. You dont have the discipline required. And pinning your hopes on the president is just lazy.

And Trump won't be that dangerous when he goes to jail, it is not an if at this point. Considering he is an unindicted co-conspirator in Michael Cohen's case.

Thats not how things work in poltical america. Biden already said he will not prosecute Trump.

[Felya]

You really need to talk with someone actually living in the rustbelt.

What rubbish? What did Trump do to help anyone, but him self? Where is the fucking stimulus Trump promised during the debates? Foreclosures start on the first and unemployment ends the day after Christmas. How the fuck does playing golf and lying about election, help people in rustbelt?

Oh boy do you think that is going to safe you from COVID? To defeat covid you need to actually abide by the rules of the lockdown and this last year neither poltical party where obeying it. Im looking at the BLM rallies and victory parties after the presidential election. The trump rallies didnt do much good either. You dont have the discipline required. And pinning your hopes on the president is just lazy.

Are you looking at Trump calling it a hoax and encouraging “liberation” of states trying to slow the spread?

Thats not how things work in poltical america. Biden already said he will not prosecute Trump.

No, he didn’t... he said that he can’t persecute Trump, but his DOJ is free to do so. I know that Trump screaming lock her up for 4 years was fun, but the president doesn’t do that... conman is who does that...

[Machismo]

Trump was not a lesser evil in my eyes but his personality sucked . Egotistical and bombastic he spoke way too much in hyperbole. But i dont support a politician based on his personality but on policy. I was primarily pleased with Trump on his anti globalist stand and that he sought to withdraw america from conflicts.
The way Biden acts and his cabinet picks make we very concerned he is going to be Obama: old white guy version. And Obama sucked . Under him a thriving blue collar middle class got decimated and his action in the Middle East where catastrophic.

Furthermore Biden will likely be unable to fix the covid crisis or the faltering economy. And this is going to backlash in 2022. Trump is also more dangerous outside the WH than in the WH.

But as you said: we cannot look in the future. But im sure as hell not hopeful for the Americans.

Are you upset that America is pulling away from national socialism and hatred of free speech?

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You really need to talk with someone actually living in the rustbelt.



Oh boy do you think that is going to safe you from COVID? To defeat covid you need to actually abide by the rules of the lockdown and this last year neither poltical party where obeying it. Im looking at the BLM rallies and victory parties after the presidential election. The trump rallies didnt do much good either. You dont have the discipline required. And pinning your hopes on the president is just lazy.




Thats not how things work in poltical america. Biden already said he will not prosecute Trump.

Ummm, you live in Germany...

[DKjaigen]

Are you looking at Trump calling it a hoax and encouraging “liberation” of states trying to slow the spread?

Man your every waking moment you seem to be thinking about trump. Trump is soon gone and you need to ask yourself what Biden is going to do with the coronavirus. The answer is nothing.

No, he didn’t... he said that he can’t persecute Trump, but his DOJ is free to do so. I know that Trump screaming lock her up for 4 years was fun, but the president doesn’t do that... conman is who does that...

Mate nobody is going to prosecute Trump. Simply accept that and move on.

[Felya]

Man your every waking moment you seem to be thinking about trump. Trump is soon gone and you need to ask yourself what Biden is going to do with the coronavirus. The answer is nothing.

No, I am thinking about my gf losing unemployment the day after Christmas and the stimulus that Trump promised during the debates.

We also know what Biden will do, since he already released his plan and we know his covid response team. There will be a nation wide mandate and shutdowns financially supported by federal government, targeting specific areas of increased cases. We will also return the pandemic response team that Trump defunded, because it’s necessity is more prevalent now, than when Trump removed it.

Maybe instead of defending Trump, defend American people from Trump.

Mate nobody is going to prosecute Trump. Simply accept that and move on.

Not even the active rape trial? You think Biden is going to let America stand trial in Trump’s case, if Barr succeeds in the current appeal? I’m pretty sure Biden will remove DOJ from that case entirely...

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You know Trump is currently BEING prosecuted right?

Barr has appealed the ruling that America cannot stand trial in place of Trump, in his rape trial. It might take Biden intervention to stop it, if the appeal succeeds. Not talking about the active NY cases or DOJ choosing to act on the Muller report.

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@DKjaigen a bit of a side question... Do you think democrats have been going after Trump for every possible tiny reason? Why do you think they will stop going after the most persecuted and unfairly treated president in history... according to him self... Why would Biden take ownership of DOJ going after Trump, instead of them acting independently? Biden didn’t run on ‘lock him up’, because that’s not his job and your expectation that it is... is simply the poison pill of Trumpism...

[Kokolums]

Trump was not a lesser evil in my eyes but his personality sucked . Egotistical and bombastic he spoke way too much in hyperbole. But i dont support a politician based on his personality but on policy. I was primarily pleased with Trump on his anti globalist stand and that he sought to withdraw america from conflicts.
The way Biden acts and his cabinet picks make we very concerned he is going to be Obama: old white guy version. And Obama sucked . Under him a thriving blue collar middle class got decimated and his action in the Middle East where catastrophic.

Furthermore Biden will likely be unable to fix the covid crisis or the faltering economy. And this is going to backlash in 2022. Trump is also more dangerous outside the WH than in the WH.

But as you said: we cannot look in the future. But im sure as hell not hopeful for the Americans.

Biden could be the weakest democrat president since Grover Cleveland in 1884, and possibly ever. Every new democrat president entered the white house controlling both houses of congress except Cleveland. Biden may face a GOP senate. That would tie Biden hands on domestic policy. Biden would focus on foreign policy from day 1. And its a safe bet the GOP will take the House in 2022 due to anger on the right from republicans who think Biden stole the election, and loss of interest on the left from Trump not being on the ticket.

The senate will probably start investigating Biden right away and it will go on for years.

[Machismo]

I lobe watching actual fucking Nazis try and blame Biden for all the shit Trump has done.

[jonnysensible]

Biden could be the weakest democrat president since Grover Cleveland in 1884, and possibly ever. Every new democrat president entered the white house controlling both houses of congress except Cleveland. Biden may face a GOP senate. That would tie Biden hands on domestic policy. Biden would focus on foreign policy from day 1. And its a safe bet the GOP will take the House in 2022 due to anger on the right from republicans who think Biden stole the election, and loss of interest on the left from Trump not being on the ticket.

The senate will probably start investigating Biden right away and it will go on for years.

your predictions have been a bit dodgy lately, hows the civil war coming along?

[Omega10]

Biden could be the weakest democrat president since Grover Cleveland in 1884, and possibly ever. Every new democrat president entered the white house controlling both houses of congress except Cleveland. Biden may face a GOP senate. That would tie Biden hands on domestic policy. Biden would focus on foreign policy from day 1. And its a safe bet the GOP will take the House in 2022 due to anger on the right from republicans who think Biden stole the election, and loss of interest on the left from Trump not being on the ticket.

The senate will probably start investigating Biden right away and it will go on for years.

Although this is one of the options that McConnell has for republicans for their 2022 campaign, I doubt that he will go down this path, at least for now.

People want a stop to all the drama. And this includes a lot of republicans. Obviously McConnell will have a prosecution team set up digging dirt and preparing for possible investigations should the time be right, but I would be quite surprised if he went down that route right from the beginning.

Furthermore Biden will likely be unable to fix the covid crisis or the faltering economy. And this is going to backlash in 2022. Trump is also more dangerous outside the WH than in the WH.

But as you said: we cannot look in the future. But im sure as hell not hopeful for the Americans.

There is a high probability that the US has some very dark days ahead of it. It seems like a better strategy for McConnell would be to lie low for a while, keep track of things that aren't getting fixed, and then go with blistering attack ads of things that Biden DIDN'T accomplish that are hurting Americans starting late in 2021.

While McConnell should certainly have his prosecution teams lined up and ready to go, it seems like they should only be used under certain circumstances. And why would he go down this path when it's easier to just have attack ads all over the place, which are much more effective and consistent in their political success rate?

I VERY much disagree that Trump is more dangerous outside the WH. Too many republicans hate him as much as democrats do. I think that there are much better options for republicans moving forward. Trump showed the way for how republicans can stay strong in the future, but others need to be the ones to pick up the mantle and move the party forward.

In 2022, I can see republicans taking the House and gaining Senate seats in 2022, as well as increasing their strength in the State governments. The future is bright for the republican party. McConnell has proven to be a VERY effective power broker and builder of power. Ease Trump out and McConnell in, and I don't think democrats have a chance.

[Belize]

. And its a safe bet the GOP will take the House in 2022

Wasn't Trump going to 100% win this year too?

[DKjaigen]

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@DKjaigen a bit of a side question... Do you think democrats have been going after Trump for every possible tiny reason? Why do you think they will stop going after the most persecuted and unfairly treated president in history... according to him self... Why would Biden take ownership of DOJ going after Trump, instead of them acting independently? Biden didn’t run on ‘lock him up’, because that’s not his job and your expectation that it is... is simply the poison pill of Trumpism...

I dont think you seem to realise that the democrats cannot afford to see Trump on trial right now. If they did the republican half would be up in arms over it and label it politcal prosecution which results in chaos. And Biden has enough problems to deal with.

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I VERY much disagree that Trump is more dangerous outside the WH. Too many republicans hate him as much as democrats do. I think that there are much better options for republicans moving forward. Trump showed the way for how republicans can stay strong in the future, but others need to be the ones to pick up the mantle and move the party forward.

Trump is a spiteful fucker. He is not going after the democrats he is going after CNN and MBSCN. And these companies are not doing so hot at the moment. If Trump want a shot at the WH agin in 2024 he needs these media groups neutered.

In 2022, I can see republicans taking the House and gaining Senate seats in 2022, as well as increasing their strength in the State governments. The future is bright for the republican party. McConnell has proven to be a VERY effective power broker and builder of power. Ease Trump out and McConnell in, and I don't think democrats have a chance.

I think is going to be the case as well. Trump is no longer the vocal point and thus the democratic drive and cohesion will evaporate. I already see signs of an incoming civil war.

[PhaelixWW]

I dont think you seem to realise that the democrats cannot afford to see Trump on trial right now. If they did the republican half would be up in arms over it and label it politcal prosecution which results in chaos. And Biden has enough problems to deal with.

The "Republicans" who would label it political persecution/prosecution are already up in arms, bruh. They're refusing to even acknowledge that Biden is Prsident-Elect. I'm not sure what kind of trouble you're imagining they can make for Biden that they're not already fostering.

Regardless, they're outnumbered, at best, 80m to 74m, though nowhere near that number would actually do shit if Trump were rightly prosecuted for his many crimes.

It's absolutely, completely, utterly, hilariously sad that you think Trump being prosecuted is what would be the divisive thing of the last four years.

[Theodarzna]

I dont think you seem to realise that the democrats cannot afford to see Trump on trial right now. If they did the republican half would be up in arms over it and label it politcal prosecution which results in chaos. And Biden has enough problems to deal with.

On the contrary; I think it is the only thing the Dems in the House anyway, will really focus on. The entire pitch of Biden's campaign was "Not Trump" and without much of a sincerely held policy platform, nor any power or serious intent on enacting it, they are going to have to keep the fires going somehow.

Much as the last four years were dominated by sideshows like RussiaGhazi while military budgets and such were passed, these next two years at least will be the Democratic House will focus entirely on the former Trump presidency.

[Machismo]

On the contrary; I think it is the only thing the Dems in the House anyway, will really focus on. The entire pitch of Biden's campaign was "Not Trump" and without much of a sincerely held policy platform, nor any power or serious intent on enacting it, they are going to have to keep the fires going somehow.

Much as the last four years were dominated by sideshows like RussiaGhazi while military budgets and such were passed, these next two years at least will be the Democratic House will focus entirely on the former Trump presidency.

Are you still upset that your Warmonger in Chief lost the election?

He lost, get over it.

Don't worry, the Dems probably cannot possibly outspend Trump, but they may try. Although, I doubt their push for ethno-nationalism is strong enough for you, so you may have to hope that Trump runs again in 2024.

[Edge-]

And its a safe bet the GOP will take the House in 2022 due to anger on the right from republicans who think Biden stole the election, and loss of interest on the left from Trump not being on the ticket.

After the civil war you've been hyping up has failed to materialize and the massive Trump victory you were predicting on election day fizzled, I think you should look into a new hobby. Telling the future ain't it.

[Zan15]

For NAFTA, NAFTA was signed into law in 1993, at that time Democrats controlled BOTH chambers of the Legislature.

Clinton was also campaigning on ending Welfare as we knew it at that time in 1992.

As for Welfare gutting, that did take place finally in 1996, but he was campaigning on that bill in 92. Also for historical record, in 1992, 93, and 94 the Dems held the Congress in both chambers.

Ya that was not worded right... my mistake. Its more about whom voted for the bill vs who held the majority.


The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61–38.[21] Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.

[Theodarzna]

Ya that was not worded right... my mistake. Its more about whom voted for the bill vs who held the majority.


The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61–38.[21] Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.

Lets go back to the tape, who signed NAFTA into Law? Heck which president was lobbying hard for the TPP/TTIP?

More over the number of supporters from both parts were enough. You can't claim it wasn't backed. In fact this was some of that rare bipartisanship we keep hearing is oh so important.

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Honestly with this time bomb about to go off, and Biden's people already turning to austerity talk vis a vis a Stimulus, the 2022 and 2024 election might be a wild ride.

[Benggaul]

Although this is one of the options that McConnell has for republicans for their 2022 campaign, I doubt that he will go down this path, at least for now.

Personally I don't think it's on McConnell's agenda at all.

They've been "Investigating Biden" for over a year now trying to dig up shit to throw at him before the election and have come up with bugger all. If anything it's just made them look worse since all they had was "Hunter Biden's laptop" which hurt their collective credibility.

McConnell will be forced to make some concessions just for appearance's sake if he maintains the majority in the Senate, but apart from that I think it will just remain the same "business as usual" obstruction that he championed under Obama. Until he fucking chokes on a lettuce leaf.

[Omega10]

Honestly with this time bomb about to go off, and Biden's people already turning to austerity talk vis a vis a Stimulus, the 2022 and 2024 election might be a wild ride.

Both England and the US are heading down the same path.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obamas-fo...173557025.html

Obama's former top economist says Democrats should accept a smaller stimulus package now and try to pass a larger relief plan later

Excerpts:

Austan Goolsbee, a former top economic advisor to former President Barack Obama, told CNN on Sunday that it was better for Democrats to accept a smaller relief package if it meant getting federal aid out the door faster.

It's not clear how much this person is connected to the Biden Presidency, but it sounds to me like the Biden team is sending out trial balloons to see how little of a plan to bargain for.

"This isn't half a loaf," Pelosi told Bloomberg in early October. "What they're offering is the heel of the loaf."

To be fair to the Biden team, McConnell is in a VERY strong bargaining position at this time. It could be argued that since McConnell has complete veto power over anything democrats try to pass, something he capitalized on during Trump's Presidency, well there really isn't much more that Biden can do. Furthermore, voters rewarded him richly for wielding such a strong veto power.

It could also be argued that the best thing that democrats can do is let McConnell write the bill, pass it through, and then label it the McConnell Republican relief bill.

But either way, well I don't think the next two elections will be wild rides. I think they will be flat our republican landslides. It will be more of a fairly smooth and steady move to the right. Probably a quite dramatic move to the right. Too many things are broken in the US, Biden will be prevented from fixing very many of them, and then he will be blamed for what he was prevented from fixing.

In England:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dange...161508688.html

Title: We are dangerously close to repeating the austerity errors of 2010

While the article is against the austerity measures that the UK is currently planning on, it definitely makes the case that austerity measures are going to be in effect for next year.

Excerpt:

Rishi Sunak aims to cut the structural budget deficit by freezing public sector pay and holding down spending in “unprotected departments”, cutting borrowing to 4.4pc of GDP as soon as 2022-2023.

Voters in the US and the UK voted pretty strongly for austerity as a method of dealing with the budget issues that the US and UK have. And politicians in both countries are responding appropriately.

[Kokolums]

your predictions have been a bit dodgy lately, hows the civil war coming along?

Mocking me has a REALLY bad track record. There was a time when I warned of either civil unrest OR civil war. I was mocked for BOTH. I haven't been mocked for calls of civil unrest in months ever since we had widespread civil unrest this summer. So, bad idea there.