- Raid bosses will drop 3 pieces of loot per boss for 20 people. Gearing in raiding will be very slow. You will on average get 1.5 pieces of loot per week from the raid itself.
- Heroic raiding will only get 213 gear in the weekly chest while M+ will give 226.
- You can easily farm full 210 gear in 1-2 weeks in M+. You will never be able to do that in raiding unless you run extreme split runs. If you only do heroic raids then it will take A LONG time to get full 213 gear.
- If you are ready to put in the time then you can potentially gear much much much faster in M+ than raiding. Raiding got a cap, M+ doesn't. I can easily run 50 M+ dungeons in one week with my group.
Last edited by Kaver; 2020-11-30 at 02:45 PM.
Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.
No it doesn not.
In the end you will be at the same iLvL as mythic raiders via the weekly chest. Maybe 1 or 2 behind because of the increase in ilvl of the last too bosses, which nearly no one sees anyway if ou look at the whole playerbase.
Mythic+ is spammable. And required the moment it is the way you asked.
A normal heroic raiding guild won't have a problem to do the Mythic 15 key. You completly invalidade Raid gearing if the loot is that good and abundant in Mythic+.
Raiding is still the top PvE endgame. And if you look at rankings you see that way more people raid, than do high level Mythic Keys. It is a fun system. For me. But many don't like it because of it nature of being time restricted.
You WILL be at the highest itemlevel via Mythic+. Just not in week one. I would argue you are not even that much slower. I had so many weeks where i did not get one piece of loot out of raids that i needed. But i spammed mythic+ until i was sick of it because it is such an easy and ridiciulously fast source of gear.
You will be quite high quite fast via mythic+ only. Raiders only will catchup and be on the highest iLvl faster than Mythic+ only players. In the end they will be at the same iLvL.
Also, and i think that is way more important. There are nearly no players who ONLY do raids or mythic+ on a level where the ilvl cap of mythic+ matters. I don't know any highkey player who does not raid anyway and vice versa.
Remember those chests you would get from the sometimes weekly complete 5 dungeons quest? The best case scenario for me would be if they started selling those in the blizz store (especially if the chest was mythic version) . I love RnG boxes and to be able to purchase gear or progression instantly instead of all the waiting that comes into raiding, Dungeons & weekly resets.
I've already played another game with such a system for years, and it would be a dream if blizz would implement that in WoW as well.
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the system is better than ever in sl,now...i agree that m+ is more challenging than mythic raiding if you do rly high keys,but the loot is gonna cap at a level where its not very hard
the only way i could see m+ drops being on the same ilvl as mythic raids and have it be fair is if the dungeons had a lockout....but even then it would be far to good to just do those weekly,every mythic raider would be forced to do ALL m+ every week....nope,its just a bad idea
Just make m+ give increased loot up to 20+ instead of 15. Most people will struggle with 15s first season so it's not like it'll be easy.
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I don't necessarily agree with OP, but I think loot should scale to/past HC level for higher keys, not to mythic level but higher/equal to HC. It would be nice to get something, a timed reward for a +20 or a +25 in time - sort of Cutting Edge/Unique Mount equivalent/Challenge Tmog so it would set PvP, M+ and Mythic Raiding as equals. Now the challenge is only rewarded by 3rd party point system.
"M+ needs to scale to mythic raid content (ilvl wise) or I am afraid this whole design is garbage :-)" Fuck that shit...
You do, assuming what you posted reflects your own personal situation.
Entitlement in this case stems from wanting to get the same loot without putting in the same amount of time/effort in as everyone else. If you don't have the time for mythic raiding, then don't expect to get the same rewards as people who put in the time/effort to mythic raid. One of the larger misconceptions is that just because someone pays a sub fee they are entitled to all the loot, which is not correct at all: you're entitled play the game and the loot you work for. If a sub fee is all it took, our mailboxes should be raining max level gear on a daily basis by just logging in.
Irony is that the M+ scene is much more favorable for getting to your max ilvl gear set than it's ever been, and likely faster and easier with how the weekly Vault works. The only thing going away is getting full better-than-heroic-raid geared in about a week by spamming M+ end-of-dungeon chests, so short-term gearing is slower.
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Honestly, there needs to be room for heroic raiding too. Last Xpak, mythic+ outclassed the vast majority of raiding(and certainly all of heroic raiding) in nearly every way, making raiding a flavor side activity for those out of the meta. It almost ruined the game, and this change(well publicized on this forum) was much needed and one of the main reasons I'm even playing WoW again, so I disagree. Mythic + was too rewarding, now it isn't. It was bad for the game, not it isn't. BFA was bad, Shadowlands isn't. Easy to see, imo.
Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2020-11-30 at 03:28 PM.
You literally couldn't be further from truth. The wrongest statement in entire forum.
I am mythic raider who does M+ occasionally. So I will have best gear, faster and more reliably than all M+ "scrubs" even if those M+ scrubs do far harder content than vast majority of mythic raiders by pushing some extreme levels.
I am simply anti-Karen and think that everyone should be able to get good gear by playing content they like with enough effort.