Illidan, Jaina, Slyvanas, Varian, Garrosh, Alleria, Bolvar (post burning) most of these main characters have shown some sort of phychological issue BUT, can human psychology be applied to them? when many aren't even human...
Illidan, Jaina, Slyvanas, Varian, Garrosh, Alleria, Bolvar (post burning) most of these main characters have shown some sort of phychological issue BUT, can human psychology be applied to them? when many aren't even human...
Last edited by tommyhil622; 2020-12-02 at 09:19 PM.
Yes, Illidan is insane. That's why he had to be stopped in BC. He was going to destroy Northrend in order to kill the Lich King, damn the consequences. The consequences in this case being blasting open a portal to the Shadowlands if the helm was destroyed, freeing Yogg-Saron if his prison was destroyed, and breaking the Nexus and whatever consequences that would have. He recreated the Well of Eternity, which has been of use to absolutely no one, only serving to attract the Burning Legion as everyone feared it would, once in the Third War and again to the Sunwell in the Burning Crusade. He enslaved all of Outland by withholding the biggest source of water, used the souls of the draenei dead as a fuel source, and destroyed an entire planet. We know Argus itself housed innocents, so Nathreza likely had millions of innocent souls hiding from the Burning Legion. It was Illidan's portal to Argus that allowed Sargeras to reach Azeroth, and even though the Burning Legion was stopped, it caused untold damage to Azeroth to do so. Silithus, Azerite, the War, and even indirectly the events of Shadowlands, all because of Illidan's reckless single-minded pursuit.
The entire premise of the Demon Hunters is flawed. Using the abilities and tactics of the Burning Legion to defeat them...that just makes two Burning Legions.
Illidan was in isolation for 10k years and was an orbiter before and after. Yeah, he was socially incompetent. Not so much as Medivh though, who's idea of trying to prevent the apocalypse was barging into leaders' homes and raving like a lunatic about how the end is nigh.
@Feanoro
Yeah, the problems with Baine are legion, but the main ones are an in-story incoherence and the difference between what we're told and what we're shown. We're told Baine is this exemplar of peace who can also kick ass and who represents his people best, but all we see him do is sulk, act subversively and fight his own side, without equivalent help to his side when they're heroes. We're told he's strong, but his Shadowlands appearances pretty much show what we expect - first we see of him he gets dropped like a rock by the big bad for being shit and we have to rescue him. Next we see him he gets dragged back into Torghast and when we rescue him the second time, when he's back in Oribos he just sulks in a corner. He comes across as weak and subversive rather than strong and heroic which is why he fails so much of his target audience besides just irritating me, who's very much not part of that.
What's more, unlike Anduin, who's framed by how much he's lost to war and conflict and so his desire for peace makes some sense, if not much, Baine has gained everything in his life through violence - his people have a home at all because of the orcs and force of arms and he's been saved multiple times by war. Baine's very, very few interesting portrayals, like in War Crimes, play upon this - with Baine as someone who's holding back a massive amount of unresolved anger, possibly because of that contradiction and that he's just holding it in. But this too has basically gone nowhere.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Alleria did not grow wings, hooves, or horns, she does not look like a circus reject like that worthless goat-man Illidan. In fact, she can literally look like a normal elf if she wanted to. I will admit I chuckled though.
Plus, Alleria did not want to be corrupted by the Void. She was infested with it while on a mission to a Void-corrupted Legion world. It was an incident. Meanwhile Illidan mutilated himself for the sake of power. He let Sargeras burn his eyes for the sake of power. He consumed the malevolent skull of the filthy orc and became a beast for the sake of power.
You could have compared Illidan to... ugh, Garrosh, I guess. He turned himself into a disgusting monster with that Old God heart. But definitely not Alleria.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
Illidan has a number of problems, but he was just as willing to sacrifice himself. He sacrificed his eyes, his body, his standing in the Highborne, his relationship with his family and loved ones, his soul, and at the end, himself.It also got retconned away.
Illidan was an arrogant pompous asshole (which is a grade a way to get people not to agree with you even when you are right), willing to compromise his principles to achieve his goals. In a setting that runs on hopeium from a race that essentially opposes his views on essentially every level (due to the cultural correction caused by the WotA).
I suppose in that sense he has the social disorder of not being able to read the room.
Remember though aside from the now non-canon lore hiccup in TBC he's always been presented as an anti-hero whose objectives have always ultimately been for the best. It's just that his methods are portrayed as either necessary evils when they work or pointlessly destructive shortcuts when they don't.
No, he doesn't. That's part of the tragedy of the character, that malfurion and tyrande are (well were in a post burning world) so self-assured in their ethos that Illidan had to be wrong they couldn't see when he was right. It's actually abysmal that legion never addressed this conflict properly, especially after is revealed he essentially saved the universe.
Last edited by Saltysquidoon; 2020-12-03 at 12:31 AM.
Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
He was going to do that in TFT. By BC, it's been a few years since that plan failed and he was doing... well, nothing of notice that we knew off at the time. The Naga and Blood Elves under Kael'thas were largely doing their own thing. We also have no reason to assume he even knew about either of those former issues, with only the Nexus possibly being known. And since he was targeting Icecrown, Borealis might not even have been affected noticeably.
No no, what you meant to say is, "a blind half-night elf MONGREL!".
- - - Updated - - -
Succubi and Shivarra are basically seduction incarnate. But I don't know if those count since they were demons to begin with, as far as we know. Eredar maybe? The Eredar Twins in Sunwell Plateu were basically consorts.
- - - Updated - - -
Actually I'd compare him more to Arthas. He sacrificed his soul for power, by taking Frostmourne. Garrosh just got corrupted by Y'Shaarj.
He loved a girl and that girl loved his brother, that alone can damage a man, also his bro is a douchebag who bullied him and imprisoned him for 10k years