$58 'Tax the Rich' Sweatshirt

[Endus]

The idea you can tax the richest people who can simply sidestep your country and only really be hit with a sales tax if needed just seems like an absurd goal to reach for.

That's because you're manufacturing nonsensical delusional boogeymen, rather than dealing with reality.

In the real world, they can't "simply sidestep your country". That's not how markets and taxation work. If they want to do business in your country, they pay tax on that business; it doesn't matter if they are personally living or their company is headquartered somewhere else. And if they do "sidestep" your country, willfully denying themselves profit out of nothing but empty spite and a literally incredible stupidity when it comes to business, they're not a problem for you anyway; they don't do business in your country, so why would their actions be relevant to anything?

[Kathranis]

Before I even clicked on the thread I figured this was a fundraising thing. The shirt isn't the point, it's like a PBS tote bag or a box of Girl Scout cookies.

People know what they're getting with this, and where their money is going.

[Endus]

How much does it cost to side step the US? You think regulations and taxes are lower in China?

It's even worse; he's talking about literally just abandoning the American market completely, even though they'd continue to profit if they didn't.

His idea is that business owners will literally shoot themselves in the profit because they're so dang angry about paying their share. Frankly, he may be ridiculous enough to believe that kind of nonsense, but I don't for one hot second believe any major corporate leaders are going to take that step. Unless they're a sole ownership, their board is gonna fire whatever CEO does that shit, for costing them money for basically no possible benefit.

There's literally no reason a company would ever shift out of the American market because of higher corporate taxes. It's a nonsense bugaboo that conservatives parrot around to confuse the economically illiterate, because nothing about the idea makes any sense at any level. It's cutting off their nose to spite their face, in as literal an example of that metaphor as could ever exist.

[JohnBrown1917]

Lol fucking lol. A machine to silk screen and maybe a sweatshirt wholesaled for a buck or 2. The biggest cost would be shipping or 3pl logistics. Even if they're union 58 bucks for fucking shirt is vastly overpriced.

And what do you think the orgin of those cheap 2 dollar sweatshirts is? Its like you missed the most important part of the production process.
And how in the hell did you miss the even bigger reason... its a bloody fundraiser, ever heard of them?

[Egomaniac]

Obviously she should have had it made in some third world sweatshop so she could keep the cost down.

[Felya]

Lol fucking lol. A machine to silk screen and maybe a sweatshirt wholesaled for a buck or 2. The biggest cost would be shipping or 3pl logistics. Even if they're union 58 bucks for fucking shirt is vastly overpriced.

It’s as if the point is to donate money, not buy a new outfit. Last I checked, Trump supporters wear MAGA hats, even when it’s not sunny...

[Shadowferal]

And just who would purchase such a thing?

[Felya]

And just who would purchase such a thing?

People who want to donate money to AOC and get a shirt for it?

[JohnBrown1917]

And just who would purchase such a thing?

I'm really starting to wonder if donations to political goals are foreign to anybody on the far right, together with a collective amnesia about all the money they threw at Trump.

[Egomaniac]

And just who would purchase such a thing?

It's not really any different than buying Girl Scout Cookies...

[Milchshake]

People who want to donate money to AOC and get a shirt for it?

Is that for people that emphasize Aesthetics over Policy? Because that seems to animate quite a few cosplay socialists.

[Underverse]

It's a fundraising souvenir. The only people outraged by this are conservatives who want to make this a story.

And I say that as someone who doesn't really like AOC. But at least I can understand that taxing the rich != socialism.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yes I have. It's however pointless for AoC to market them that high since her base (woke Twitter and gender studies degree holders) don't have the cash to buy them. know your market and consumer. Ever heard of it?

Too busy making up strawmen to understand it, I see.

[Shadowferal]

It's not really any different than buying Girl Scout Cookies...

A fair point.

If it's the same quality of a sweatshirt that I was given back in my union days it might be worth the money. That sucker is several times thicker than what is normally found and can only be worn in cold weather.

[JohnBrown1917]

Your anti fascist display picture contrasted with johnbrowns sig and this post is just... ???? The fuck.

It gets even better because its the red-black colours of anarchism and communism. The 2 idealogies he hates the most.
He is using an edited version of the orginal antifa movement logo that was started by the German communists.

[Endus]

A fair point.

If it's the same quality of a sweatshirt that I was given back in my union days it might be worth the money. That sucker is several times thicker than what is normally found and can only be worn in cold weather.

It's not just thickness, it's quality of materials and construction, which lead to how well it holds up over time.

I used to buy cheap jeans, Wranglers mostly. They'd cost like C$20, and last me 6 months, maybe a year, wearing through 2-3 pairs at a time.

Nowadays, I pay a bundle more for jeans (C$70-80), but the brand has the best fit I've ever had, and I haven't had any of them wear out yet, nearly a decade after I bought the first pair.

Same deal for T-shirts and such; I'll drop C$50 on a good T-shirt, and it'll hold up WAY better than the cheap $20 ones I buy.

If you stick to buying the cheaper stuff, you buy a lot more and/or replace them a lot sooner/more often. And often end up paying more in the long run.

[Felya]

Your anti fascist display picture contrasted with johnbrowns sig and this post is just... ???? The fuck.

Was Trump a populist movement?

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It gets even better because its the red-black colours of anarchism and communism. The 2 idealogies he hates the most.
He is using an edited version of the orginal antifa movement logo that was started by the German communists.

Was Trump a populist movement? Was Hitler?

[eschatological]

Because his name was mentioned.

Make no mistake, I love the "union label." Particularly when I myself was in a union.
But such a thing has been intertwined with "protectionism," and for some reason that leaves me baffled, that has been condemned by those on the left in favir of the myth of free trade which translates to cheap goods and cheap labor and always at the expense of union jobs.

You're mischaracterizing the left.

If you remember the 90s, the progressives were the ones protesting NAFTA and siding with labor. It was centrist Dems and LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN IN CONGRESS who passed it and lauded it.

Since then, globalization has become an inevitable, unavoidable reality, so progressives have pushed for equitable, strict (much stricter than NAFTA), enforceable trade agreements, acknowledging the that the only way American labor can compete with foreign labor is if foreign labor is on the same footing. That's obviously never going to happen, but there's no other good solution (imo) these days, because protectionism leads to hyperinflation and our economy not being competitive in an unavoidable global economy.

[Krakan]

That's because you're manufacturing nonsensical delusional boogeymen, rather than dealing with reality.

In the real world, they can't "simply sidestep your country". That's not how markets and taxation work. If they want to do business in your country, they pay tax on that business; it doesn't matter if they are personally living or their company is headquartered somewhere else. And if they do "sidestep" your country, willfully denying themselves profit out of nothing but empty spite and a literally incredible stupidity when it comes to business, they're not a problem for you anyway; they don't do business in your country, so why would their actions be relevant to anything?

Does this hold true once brick and mortar dies?

There is a rather steady rise in consumers purchasing goods directly from china and amazon is a gaint company. What happens when they don't do business from within your own country but from outside of it?

Globalization is the death of nations I don't think you can retain the level of bargaining power you expect to be working with.

[Felya]

Where is this going lol

The fact that you two don’t know what populist means, thus interpret any comment referring to it, as if it’s an attack on working class? You could have just looked up what it means and figured it out your self...