(TV) Star Trek: Discovery

[s_bushido]

DSC floundered in the first season and it’s been trying to right itself ever since. It’s improving itself at least.

Show's still got plenty of problems. Most of which could probably be solved by Burnham mysteriously going into a coma for a season. But a person struggling with (and seeking affirmation of) their identity not long after making a connection with the memories of their symbiote...isn't one of them.

[Maruka]

Im surprised this show wasnt picked up by netflix. Its the perfect show for the platform, it literally hits every SJW topic beat for beat that their shows always do.

[Sorrowseer]

I'm rather happy its gone semi episodic, an over arching story is great and all but for things like this a new experience a week is better than chasing one thing the entire season, I still want the over arching plot, but not to dominate every single episodes time.

Im surprised this show wasnt picked up by netflix. Its the perfect show for the platform, it literally hits every SJW topic beat for beat that their shows always do.

I am glad they don't, imo netflix turns all their shows to shit, every netflix run tv show or film has the same kind of feeling, just subpar.

[Ivanstone]

Im surprised this show wasnt picked up by netflix. Its the perfect show for the platform, it literally hits every SJW topic beat for beat that their shows always do.

Netflix has the world wide rights to all Star Trek shows except the USA and Canada.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Netflix has the world wide rights to all Star Trek shows except the USA and Canada.

Yup we do have them on Netflix here in Europe.

[Dhrizzle]

That was the only thing strange about that scene for me. Adira is from even further in the future than the rest of the crew, so you'd think this would have been something that was rendered "ok, no big deal" a long time ago. Nevermind that being called "they" could also refer to the fact that they're a joined entity with the experiences/memories of generations worth of people (even though it was made pretty clear that they felt that way before they were joined).

I think maybe they were trying to show that even in an "SJW paradise" like Star Trek there could be some anxiety or concerns when a young person figures out their non-typical gender identity and first tell people who they are. To me Stamet's face had that look of "I understand that this is a big deal for you so I will listen respectfully but as a grown up I know this isn't really a problem and I'm just glad you feel happy talking to me about it," but it's hard to tell as it blends in with his usual smug arrogance.

Either that or they wanted to show Adira being uncertain so non-gender-conforming fans could relate to them.

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The show has way too much SJW woven into it & I can't stand the new Klingons.

I love Star Trek - TNG, VOY, especially DS9. I also really liked ST: Picard. But Disc.. it just doesn't feel right.

Star Trek has always had a sense of SJW about it, the Original Series had one of the first interracial kisses on television which really annoyed the 1960s version of anti-SJW people.

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lol "Now?" I can't speak for the Dr Who, as I've never seen it, but Star Trek has always leaned progressive. The only people whining about it now are those who either weren't paying attention, or who make a living sitting in front of their walls of pop culture merchandise whining about the evils of women.

And other than the environmentalism aspect of the casino scene in Last Jedi, there's been next to nothing indicative of "societal leanings" in any of the new Star Wars stuff.

The new Star Wars films had a female and a non-white lead, that's basically commiting genocide against white males.

[jonnysensible]

Im surprised this show wasnt picked up by netflix. Its the perfect show for the platform, it literally hits every SJW topic beat for beat that their shows always do.

i cant believe a show about people of different genders and species being treated as equals has left leaning politics in it!

[Ermelloth]

a show about people of different genders

That's the problem with Disc. It should be prematurely a sci-fi show about spacefaring & exploring the galaxy, but we got a "LGBT in space" + "girl power" centered show instead.

I just mean that a Star Trek show should be centered around ... you know, Star Trek

[Dhrizzle]

That's the problem with Disc. It should be prematurely a sci-fi show about spacefaring & exploring the galaxy, but we got a "LGBT in space" + "girl power" centered show instead.

I just mean that a Star Trek show should be centered around ... you know, Star Trek

The show is centered around Star Trek, the fact that a few minutes is given to developing knowledge about the characters doesn't take away from most of it being about future space stuff.

[Nihilist74]

I hate the emotional crap in star trek discovery. Somebody is always asking how somebody feels after everything. I like the show though but I don't love it like the other star trek shows.
This is what star trek discovery reminds me of:

[Beloren]

I hate the emotional crap in star trek discovery. Somebody is always asking how somebody feels after everything. I like the show though but I don't love it like the other star trek shows.
This is what star trek discovery reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Lj...nnel=AdultSwim

But but, feelings are important.

[Ara Myrr]

I liked the new episode, Michael got benched for a change.

The doorway to nowhere and the 'power/old man' watching over it had a more classic trek feeling to it as well.

Looking forward to next week's episode, been a while.

Also, new favourite quote:

[Koriani]

As much as Phillepa Georgiana (Philepa? sorry I don't know how to spell it!) is one of my favorite characters on the show - I am not really enjoying the now 2(?) arc "side reality?" storyline. I like the "lore" bits of her universe, I like HER in her Universe and learning more about how all that works. But something isn't working for us.

I don't like the entire "Flash Gordon"-esque 70s/early80s LOOK of the "Alter-reality". The "Art Direction" or whatever it is - just comes off as campy as hell to me - and not in a good way. Remaking the entire crew into their alter-reality twins - just feels lazy. I mean I get "why" - I get the "its a parallel universe and so everyone has their twin here" but for whatever reason, its not working for me (or hubby) at all. Again - just feels lazy. Feels like it could be a tongue-in-cheek "fun for the fans" type of episode - but it wasn't intending that - so it just isn't working.

And ultimately - the pointlessness of the entire story - is destroying it for me. I mean I guess, with the previews of the next episode, they are setting this up to be more 'relevant' to this timeline- as instead of "getting her cure" she's instead trying to rewrite everything from that point forward - and so that could of course change "everything" in the "present" timeline. But of course, I don't expect it to /actually/ do that - so this all becomes entirely pointless to the main story. Instead - it slows down the momentum of the season entirely to go off into a personal-storyline that kills time and fills episode numbers. I just don't get it.

Hubby has always hated it when tv shows did "dream" episodes, or "side universe" episodes, because he hates that whatever happens in the episode 'means nothing' to the growth of the show, plotline, or characters (even if its great writing) and just puts a 'full stop' on whatever plot was already going. Takes a step out - and then steps back in - for 'no point' as he sees it.

I never really objected as much as he did to these kinds of episodes - just took them for what they were in whatever Series I was watching, usually able to enjoy them for their 'fun', and move on. Other tv shows I've enjoyed have done this and I had not two thoughts about it.

But now I get it. The way Discovery is choosing to tell this 'side universe' story - making it more than one episode - I don't know. But something is definitely falling shorter (than usual - as me and hubby have been able to enjoy Discovery just fine for what it is and not asking for more) because this whole storyline is already boring me. Hubby isn't even interested in watching the 2nd episode of the arc, he's so disgusted with how 'stupid' it was - just wants to get back to The "Regular" Discovery quality.

I can't put my finger on it exactly - but its not clicking for us. And we were enjoying this season as a whole more than the last one!

I can say I was curious to see how other people (who are still watching the show and posting here lol) responded to it. Interesting to see the above poster who enjoyed it though! Even if that's the only comment so far. =D

(But yes up until the universe jump I thought the Power/Old Guy and the Doorway being 'randomly' on the planet the AI told t hem about was really interesting and 'classic Trek'. After she walked through the door though, it just went south for us.) :/

[Mihalik]

Dunno why people that don't like a thing seem to feel the internet is there to tell us they don't like that thing over and over and over and over ...

I'm sorry, the issue isn't with Burnham being emotional. The issue is with everyone on the show being a dysfunctional nervous mess, and with Burnham being an actual lunatic. Like, full on lunatic who is completely incapable of obeying any order, is incapable of functioning in a hierarchy (something that constantly puts other people in danger) and is a pathological liar.

There are a plethora of problems with Burnham. I don't blame the actress, it's just really bad writing for this setting.

If Burnham would be a character like Picard in the Picard series, someone operating on his own in the Star Trek universe, it might make some sense. But her character as written is utterly incapable of functioning in a hierarchy and doesn't fit into a cast of characters.

To this day, the show never actually managed to establish why anyone else likes her.

Also, people today don't identify Star Trek with TOS. When people think of Star Trek they think of TNG, DS9, Voyager or even ENT.

But even if you go back to TOS, most of the hilarity can be written up to the fact that it was really a somewhat campy low budget B TV show that mostly didn't take itself too seriously. Which is not the case with Discovery. At least it's not how it's presented.

TNG elevated the bar and that's the legacy Discovery is ought to live up to.

Like even take the last Terra Firma 1. The Terrans are essentially a society of psychopaths, but mirror Burnham is just fucking unhinged in every scene she's in. She's not a psychopath, she's a demented lunatic grinning, growling, screaming and rampaging through every scene she's in. She completely takes you out of the episode.

[Beloren]

i cant believe a show about people of different genders and species being treated as equals has left leaning politics in it!

Ikr - trust me i fully disagree with what I'm seeing in media, which is shoving down popular values because they are now popular, not because they are convicted about whether they are right or wrong. I don't like it because i don't agree with it.

But discovery is a very enjoyable show, I 'm not going to hate it because the lead is different form me, or because the cast list includes age/sex/orientation/roles different from mine, or because the network is using this fact for publicity reasons, and actually changing some of their roles to have more of that. I don't like any of that, but I do like the show.

I would have liked it just as much if Michael Burnham was a 6 foot, blonde haired, blue eyed, Caucasian that made James kirk look nearly ordinary.

I hate the politicising, I hate the social agenda issues being forced and people harassing others, but they're nothing new, the stories are good and entertaining, and i don't hate people because of their gender, race or because their bed partners make me uneasy or because i feel they are confused about their gender.

I would have to be perfect to have a right to judge or condemn any of them and I'm not. So I will not, I'd leave it tot he perfect One to do that. Meanwhile, if they put out good stuff, I'd cheer them on, if i enjoy it I will, if they say and do things I disagree with I will point it out, if their actions or behaviour warrant hating, I'll hate their actions and behaviour

[Mihalik]

What...the....fuck....was this episode?

I'm hard done with Discovery.

What a load of nonsense.

[Nadiru]

The mirror universe arc of this season paid off very nicely, though it's sad to say goodbye to Emperor Giorgiou, what a fantastic character. It does feel like the Burn part of the storyline is advancing a bit too slowly, here's hoping next week's episode corrects that.

The Burn storyline is really bad, feels like something that would've gotten a two-parter in the pre-Abrams days.

[Elim Garak]

I literally had to watch the episode twice because the first time I dozed off and only began paying attention at the end when they mentioned the "cause of the burn", and I struggled the second time to keep focus, and fuck that's the dullest cause ever. Like I don't even care now about that story arc and Terran arc is over. All that's left is SJW nonsense.

[Ivanstone]

I literally had to watch the episode twice because the first time I dozed off and only began paying attention at the end when they mentioned the "cause of the burn", and I struggled the second time to keep focus, and fuck that's the dullest cause ever. Like I don't even care now about that story arc and Terran arc is over. All that's left is SJW nonsense.

The cause of the burn is speculation.

Just like how you speculate that SJW's are out to take your TV from you. What's it like living in the grip of paranoia all the fucking time?

[Elim Garak]

The cause of the burn is speculation.

Just like how you speculate that SJW's are out to take your TV from you. What's it like living in the grip of paranoia all the fucking time?

I don't have a TV, they have already taken it. So not much of paranoia, is it?