Originally Posted by
ravenmoon
Yes I really do.
Yet given by what you write after this comment, it's clear you refuse to consider what is actually being said. That you think I am actually saying the history of the horde is dominated by the blood elves shows me clearly you are entirely avoiding what I'm saying - either that or you don't see it - usually strong feelings can cloud judgement. Perhaps you think you're under attack and get too emotional therefore unable to objectively see what is being said.
Yes horde favoritism, it might be an ugly word to you, but it is actually a stance I supported. Yes it was unfair on the alliance, but yes we all felt and agreed it was necessary step to take to attract players to the horde.
They didn't have to use the blood elves, but it was the easiest and most convenient option. It would change and shift things, but blizzard were prepared to accept that - but I don't think entirely grasped what it would do.
At the current time, it's no longer necessary and blizz mustn't keep preferring the horde, a habit has developed, but is equally changing. If Nightborne were coming out now, they'd almost certainly go alliance as would void elves.
Unfortunate story events are not the ONLY indications of preferential treatment. The horde was the villain and nearly got destroyed in the Cata - MoP era, but was very much the favoured faction. Not because the warchief became the villain, but because it and it's races were the centre of activity. The story wasn't full of highs for the horde, but that's not necessarily meaning it was less favoured. It was also the hero of the situation. It was all about the horde, and the horde solving it's problems. The alliance was supplementary not equal.
This is how you evaluate.
Destroying Teldrassil was terirble and another hit for the alliance, but ignoring the night elves after that, and focusing on the motives and intentions of Sylvanas to map her involvement with the new Jailor storyline and the shaking up of the horde with leaving the night elves in the dust and humans largely benefitting but still secondary to the horde is horde preference. Now, causing the night elves to start rising up, and eventually leading to a much stronger night elf race down the line in a continuing story would be the sort of development that proves Teldrassil was not horde favouritism still but actually the instrument of a night elf revival and thus alliance pro story telling, but the arc isn't complete and the jury remains out on that one.
Currently based on the trends up to that point in BFA it appears to be horde favouritism, hence why all the crying happened. Got it?
Removing most of the blood elves and Nightborne to the alliance along with the High elf and Night elf civilizations that were given to them IS NOT DESTROYING THE HORDE... it is destroying the majority - not all - but the majority of the ELVES on the horde, the alliance presence on the horde.
That you think it is destroying the horde is further indication that your concept of the horde is entirely tied to the elves. How else would you perceive removal of this alliance element or the greatly diminishing of it as "Destroying the horde"?
How else would you constantly ignore the proposal which also insists the lost elven elements on the horde be replaced by Troll, Goblin, Orcish and Tauren, even Forsaken assets increasing.
You seem to miss that entirely. Also you ignore healing the identity of the horde, and fail to grasp that the presence of the blood elves and the Nightborne, especially in such a glorious and visible/prominent way is actually alliance elements on the horde. This isn't good for the horde, as those races are alliance in nature, characteristic and in the existence they've been displayed on the horde. There is nothing horde like in character about the Nightborne, Suramar, or the Blood elves, Silvermoon and Quel'thalas - these are basically the zenith point of alliance civilization and peoples... they're just on the horde in terms of alignment but have nothing in common with what has been traditionally the core and heart of the horde.
These races do not help the horde by being so prominent. If they must remain in this alliance format, they should not be prominent on the horde, they must be small and effectively refugee like, around to allow model access but not complete with alliance cities, civilizations and kingdoms, flourishing and prospering - it's too alliancey. And the bland boring alliance actually needs these elves on it, because they are loved more than all the other alliance races COMBINED - alliance fans make and show more noise/interest in high elves and night elves than they do in dwarves, gnomes, draenei and worgen combined.
Not to mention that the rise of the high elves and ALL the aspects of the kaldorei (especially it's pre-sundering civilization) provie a lot more interest and excitement to the alliance fans and players who like such things - and would be the perfect lure to entice some players back to the alliance from the horde.
What sort of players would leave the horde for this? Well only the horde ELF LOVING fans. Is that all the players that play blood elves? No, off course it isn't, most of those do so for the models. I estimate about maybe as much as a quarter of the blood elf playing group do so for the lore and care about things like Silvermoon and Suramar, if they go back to the alliance because Silvermoon, Suramar, most of the blood elves and Nightborne in lore have returned to their high elven and kaldorei kin/roots, then that would be a sufficient enough number.
The blood elf race and Nightborne would still be available on the horde - gotta have those model options and most people won't care cos many pick the race for stats or appearance when choosing what horde race to pick - but are on the horde because it's the popular faction with all the lights...t his is why it must lose the alliance lights that are on it, having those lights severely dimmed so those who love such things can repopulate the alliance, meanwhile the horde race stuff like troll cities, orc ones, goblins ones should be increased/restored/ joined back to the horde to replace them.
The horde will continue strong and liked, it will have blood elves and Nightborne too, just not the kingdoms of the high elves and the kaldorei civilisation like it did up to shadowlands. Instead the alliance will have those shining brightly and raising it's profile, but the horde will get something too, Zul'drak, Zul'aman, Zul'farak, undermine, Kezan, Grommash hold turned to Grommash city in Borean Tundra etc, Ice Crown Citadel city etc - which are horde core race and themed assets.
You should no longer be allowed to play alliance effectively on the horde in the guise of blood elves in Silvermoon/Quelt'halas or in the guise of Nightborne in Suramar, if you want those on the horde, you're a remnant , one of a few nomads/outcasts, alternative thinking or renegade Thalassians or Shal'dorei kaldorei who prefer the horde, you shouldn't be the strength and beating heart of the High elf kingdom nor the best of the kaldorei civilization - ah ah yo shouldn't, not while on the horde.
If you're on the horde, you should primarily be Orcs, trolls, tauren, goblins and the fullness and glory of these horde races (forsaken too and pandaren), not high elves and night elves, those are the best of the alliance on the horde, that should not remain.