Normal mode ilvl too high

[vulfrika]

Opinion ≠ Fact

It is literally a scenario that is impossible to lose, where all even remotely challenging mechanics are removed.
It is a tourist mode. A place for people to become interested in proper raiding.

[Danuel]

Dungeons pro-players always make me smile

[erifwodahs]

It's fine.
Dungeons and Raids are now separate ways of gearing. They can compliment each other but one is not much better than the other, depending on what playstyle you prefer.

[Firebert]

Why does the lowest level of difficulty in raiding reward significantly higher ilvl than the hardest dungeon content (until +)?

Raid Finder drops 187, M+0 drops 184.

That's not "significantly higher".

[Throwme]

It is literally a scenario

Nope.

that is impossible to lose

Not true.

where all even remotely challenging mechanics are removed.

How come some groups end up with Determination?

It is a tourist mode.

Tourist mode of...... a raid?

A place for people to become interested in proper raiding.

So, you admit, it is a raid. Otherwise, if it's not raiding, then what is "improper" raiding?

[Spacewalrus2010]

You guys got baited. This was clearly meant to be a bait thread as OP abandoned post and never came back. Look at his started post. here is one where he doesn't even know how to get Anima yet hes calling normal nath "easy content" he most likely hasnt even stepped foot into it.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ounts-of-Anima

Good job. Here's a cookie.

[Belloc]

The lowest level of raiding is LFR. Normal is fine.

Many people don't count LFR for the very legitimate reason of it being a total joke.

[anon5123]

God forbid raids give better gear than 5mans.

[trapmaster]

Anyone else think that 200 ilvl is too high for normal mode Castle Nathria? It's not exactly the hardest content and it completely invalidates the time put into Mythic dungeons. Why does the lowest level of difficulty in raiding reward significantly higher ilvl than the hardest dungeon content (until +)?

All i hear is "wahhhhh wahhhhhhh wahhh" man, please be quiet and enjoy the game. that's all you have to do instead worrying about numbers.

[Shedaar]

Yes nerf m+ even more, maybe make it drop 1 item at the end in time, and 0 otherwise.
Oh, and buff castle nathria ilvl too
That sounds like a good plan
Zzz

[Relapses]

It is literally a scenario that is impossible to lose, where all even remotely challenging mechanics are removed.
It is a tourist mode. A place for people to become interested in proper raiding.

LFR N'Zoth would like to know your location.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

What are you smoking? Normal mode CN is harder than any m+ I've done.

[FelPlague]

Anyone else think that 200 ilvl is too high for normal mode Castle Nathria? It's not exactly the hardest content and it completely invalidates the time put into Mythic dungeons. Why does the lowest level of difficulty in raiding reward significantly higher ilvl than the hardest dungeon content (until +)?

because mythic dungeons are hilariously easy compared to raid.
and cause as you said "until M+" which released the exact same time as the raid.

[ryjkur]

Full normal run took 3 hours and got only 2 items. Harder than any m+10 I have done this season, it's fine.

[munkeyinorbit]

Anyone else think that 200 ilvl is too high for normal mode Castle Nathria? It's not exactly the hardest content and it completely invalidates the time put into Mythic dungeons. Why does the lowest level of difficulty in raiding reward significantly higher ilvl than the hardest dungeon content (until +)?

Because right now it's harder then m+. That's why it gives ilvl 200 gear.

[Mysterymask]

kinda ok with M+ lower than normal it makes Heroic raids not a joke which was a HUGE complaint since they gave us this version of Heroic AND Mythic+

[vulfrika]

[QUOTE=Throwme;52874788
How come some groups end up with Determination?
[/QUOTE]

Same reasons why some people don't learn not to try and eat rocks: mental disabilities and/or self-harming tendencies.

[Lurker1]

LFR is not raiding. LFR is a scenario

That is not how facts work sir.lfr= looking for RAID aka raiding.

[munkeyinorbit]

because that the only way they can justify keeping raiding in game

by killing mythic +

also what loot in mythic + ? people are already reporting pytting in hours into mythic + doing 10 dungeons without obtainign any loot.

they made it pointless to play this game unless you raid. you get to 181-182 and then you are stuck without any way to progress you chars.

Have you heard of M+ because M+ will get you guaranteed loot above mythic dungeons. If M+ is too hard for you then you don't deserve any better.

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It is literally a scenario that is impossible to lose, where all even remotely challenging mechanics are removed.
It is a tourist mode. A place for people to become interested in proper raiding.

I guess you haven't done lfr for about 5 years. It's pretty easy to wipe lots in there. It's not as hard as m+ but that's why it rewards lesser gear.

As for being a place where it encourages people to take up normal, blizzard has stated many times that this just isn't the case.

[Jastall]

The normal raids tuning is more difficult then a +10 Mythic lol

Damn near close at least. I did keys up to +8 with pugs that mostly yolo'd things. I strongly, strongly doubt a pug that isn't very well led and made up of already geared and knowledgeable players has any chance with half the bosses in there. Normal Huntsman alone is more of a mechanics check than most Heroic bosses I remember doing. Until you outgear him, you basically need a Discord at least because one dummy breaking the CC means an unavoidable wipe.