[Balance] Shadowlands Class Updates

[last1214]

Just got back into the game the other day, and yeah im a bit turned off by the rotation. Everything is built around dumping all of your starsurge procs at the start of an eclipse, whereas last expac you could opt out of that style of play by choosing to not take starlord. It currently dosent matter wether i take that talent or not, you still want to frontload 3 starsurges to empower your eclipse early on. I miss the flexibility the class had last expansion with respect to movement.

[Myztikrice]

You still have that flexibility. Nearly every spec has to sacrifice optimal damage for movement

[Lahis]

BM is the only spec that can do full DPS while on the move.

[Myztikrice]

Druid

Balance
Starfall damage reduced 6%.
Balance of all Things [Legendary] now causes Eclipse to increase your critical strike chance with Arcane or Nature spells by 40%, decreasing by 8% every 1 second (was 50% crit, decreasing by 10% per second).

[Crispin]

Add how they in the interview claimed that

The team wants to be conservative with changing legendaries. It'll be with a patch, on the PTR, plenty of time for feedback.

That was an obvious lie.

[ParanoiD84]

Druid

Balance
Starfall damage reduced 6%.
Balance of all Things [Legendary] now causes Eclipse to increase your critical strike chance with Arcane or Nature spells by 40%, decreasing by 8% every 1 second (was 50% crit, decreasing by 10% per second).

I just crafted that legendary lol.

[Relapses]

I just crafted that legendary lol.

Not a huge nerf. It went from being the best Legendary by a country mile to just being the best Legendary.

[Bloodyleech]

The new eclipse is too awkward to use.

You use wrath in solar and starfire in lunar, starsurge only in eclipse. Very awkward, indeed!

[Alpha Architect]

The only thing it could be changed is to make us possible to choose which eclipse we are in. Because it really feels bad when there are trash mobs and you just try to pass over solar eclipse.. Can we actually make a macro which can end the eclips so we can switch to other one ?

[Kluian05]

Not a huge nerf. It went from being the best Legendary by a country mile to just being the best Legendary.

Can someone explain how that legendary functions? Usually when you enter eclipse you dump all your starsurges. Does starsurge double dip on the crit chance (so 80% on first second) or is it just 40% now?

[ParanoiD84]

Not a huge nerf. It went from being the best Legendary by a country mile to just being the best Legendary.

True just didn't expect them to start nerfing legendaries already as there is quite a few I need to craft, also want the one where you gain celestial buff after spending astral power and I want 2 for restro and perhaps one or two for feral.

Gonna be ruff deciding what to max first but I mostly play balance and restro.

Perhaps I keep this one at rank 1 until they have nerfed and buffed legendaries for some weeks to see where we will be.

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Btw it's gonna be so much fun if they ever allow us to wear 2 legendaries, balance of all things plus the one with celestial buff

[Adam Jensen]

True just didn't expect them to start nerfing legendaries already as there is quite a few I need to craft, also want the one where you gain celestial buff after spending astral power and I want 2 for restro and perhaps one or two for feral.

Gonna be ruff deciding what to max first but I mostly play balance and restro.

Perhaps I keep this one at rank 1 until they have nerfed and buffed legendaries for some weeks to see where we will be.

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Btw it's gonna be so much fun if they ever allow us to wear 2 legendaries, balance of all things plus the one with celestial buff

I bet it'll be something like Renown 80 in 9.1 or 9.2.

Wouldn't surprise me to see something like this later on in the expansion.

[GreenJesus]

True just didn't expect them to start nerfing legendaries already as there is quite a few I need to craft, also want the one where you gain celestial buff after spending astral power and I want 2 for restro and perhaps one or two for feral.

Gonna be ruff deciding what to max first but I mostly play balance and restro.

Perhaps I keep this one at rank 1 until they have nerfed and buffed legendaries for some weeks to see where we will be.

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Btw it's gonna be so much fun if they ever allow us to wear 2 legendaries, balance of all things plus the one with celestial buff

It was overpowered for PVP. It had to be nerfed.

[Lora]

Can someone explain how that legendary functions? Usually when you enter eclipse you dump all your starsurges. Does starsurge double dip on the crit chance (so 80% on first second) or is it just 40% now?

You want to cast as many spells as possible as fast as possible with boat. Focusing on convoking during CA for full benefits.

[exochaft]

It was overpowered for PVP. It had to be nerfed.

That's why I disagree with the person saying that Blizz is going against their original statement about being conservative with nerfing legendary powers right now. The change to BOAT is conservative, it has way more room to be adjusted. Also, this likely isn't just a PvP adjustment, the value of crit gets insanely devalued with this legendary because of how much raw crit it provides. There's actually quite a bit more disparity between the moonkin legendary powers that I guarantee will change in future patches. What's unfortunate is that a lot of this was brought up on the beta, Blizz just decided to wait on mass public beta test (aka, Shadowlands launch) to get more of the same feedback.

One of the issues with BOAT is that it's still likely the best in every scenario, and that's not a good place to be. The ideal scenario is to have each legendary have a moment to shine, so you have options and can make a choice that matters. If the only reasonable option is pick BOAT or be inferior, that's not really a choice at all. There's still some skillcap arguments when it comes to the legendary powers and how that balance shifts, but BOAT still likely comes out ahead in that scenario because other legendary powers can require more thought and preparation to use optimally and still fall short.

[Myztikrice]

That's why I disagree with the person saying that Blizz is going against their original statement about being conservative with nerfing legendary powers right now. The change to BOAT is conservative, it has way more room to be adjusted.

Ion agrees.

Any final Legendary Tuning?

There was just the Balance Druid legendary and that was a conservative change. They want to be hands off right now and tune Legendaries say on the PTR wit the first patch where they can give lots of notice. But if there's a Legendary that is so far ahead they'll probably do tuning, but if they need to nerf it by 40% to get it "balanced", they may only nerf it 20%.

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[Azzurri]

Do you refresh dots in the eclipse windows, or just during the pandemic window?

[huth]

Do you refresh dots in the eclipse windows, or just during the pandemic window?

Pandemic. They don't snapshot, so whether you're in Eclipse or not isn't important.

[Azzurri]

Pandemic. They don't snapshot, so whether you're in Eclipse or not isn't important.

Thanks man!