Thread: Cyberpunk 2077

  1. #3561
    For me, I don't care so much about bugs, glitches and graphical errors. In due time, they'll almost certainly be fixed. Don't get me wrong - they're annoying.

    Yet they're not nearly as irritating as the marketing and development teams straight up lying about features in the game, or greatly exaggerating their relevance.

  2. #3562
    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    For me, I don't care so much about bugs, glitches and graphical errors. In due time, they'll almost certainly be fixed. Don't get me wrong - they're annoying.

    Yet they're not nearly as irritating as the marketing and development teams straight up lying about features in the game, or greatly exaggerating their relevance.
    Yes and I'm not sure those can be fixed. I mean that's it. That's the game they've been cooking up for years. Thanks 2020
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  3. #3563
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Yes and I'm not sure those can be fixed. I mean that's it. That's the game they've been cooking up for years. Thanks 2020
    Yeah, I don't expect much. It's clear a lot of planned content was cut so that people could see Keanu Reeves sooner and have him be the main focus of the plot after a certain point.

    Maybe the development team will restore some of it? Though in itself, there's been no mention of free DLC so far and they haven't got into detail about planned DLC either - a major shift from how they handled it in The Witcher 3.

    All we know is that some sort of multiplayer content is being added. Which doesn't fill me with confidence...

  4. #3564
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Your statement has no purpose. If a company delivers their product to a specific console and it doesn't run, the blame is only on the developer. Especially in this case when reviews on last gen consoles weren't allowed. There's no grey area here.

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    Dialogues are also pulled straight out of Fast and Furious 9. That's a matter of personal taste I guess. I'm sure someone out there likes Fast and Furious.
    Well, a lot of itis supposed to be kind of corny and over the top in a very 80s Hollywood kind of way. It reminds me of some earlier Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.

  5. #3565
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyxo View Post
    Well, a lot of itis supposed to be kind of corny and over the top in a very 80s Hollywood kind of way. It reminds me of some earlier Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.
    Them movies were terrible yeah. And still, we're talking Shakespeare levels compared to this. This is as if they let a 12 year old kid write the dialogues after forcing him to watch all of the 80s top cringy stuff. And the entire Fast and Furious franchise.
    Sure the main character sounds like Paul Walker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Yeah, I don't expect much. It's clear a lot of planned content was cut so that people could see Keanu Reeves sooner and have him be the main focus of the plot after a certain point.

    Maybe the development team will restore some of it? Though in itself, there's been no mention of free DLC so far and they haven't got into detail about planned DLC either - a major shift from how they handled it in The Witcher 3.

    All we know is that some sort of multiplayer content is being added. Which doesn't fill me with confidence...
    Will they allow mods? We could try using them 15 years old morrowind mods to make Night City feel alive again. "Living Cities of Cyberpunk". Adding schedules to NPCs.

  6. #3566
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Will they allow mods? We could try using them 15 years old morrowind mods to make Night City feel alive again. "Living Cities of Cyberpunk". Adding schedules to NPCs.
    I'm not sure. Sadly I play on the PS4 - hopefully PS5, soon - and they're not known for great mod support.

  7. #3567
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    I guess your bar for best graphics are the same copy pasted LED Ads lining up generic buildings everywhere because that's pretty much all this game has going for it. Even its implementation of ray tracing on PC is weird and questionable, and before that I have never seen a dev screw up ray tracing.
    Ok then, champ.

  8. #3568
    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    For me, I don't care so much about bugs, glitches and graphical errors. In due time, they'll almost certainly be fixed. Don't get me wrong - they're annoying.

    Yet they're not nearly as irritating as the marketing and development teams straight up lying about features in the game, or greatly exaggerating their relevance.
    Thats the thing isn't it? Like for all No Mans Sky improved Sean Murray is not shaking that "e3 lying man" image for a lot of people and maybe never will. If people didn't play the witcher this is their only experience with CDPR compounded the same week by GOG, owned by CDPR, removing a game because of a ingame joke comparing the chinese president to whinnie the pooh. Not a good week for press for them as a whole and even if they fix cyberpunk how many people are just going to write them off as a company you want to touch even less than modern Bethesda or Bioware?

    It seems like they took a very stupid gamble and isn't paying off.

  9. #3569
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Thats the thing isn't it? Like for all No Mans Sky improved Sean Murray is not shaking that "e3 lying man" image for a lot of people and maybe never will. If people didn't play the witcher this is their only experience with CDPR compounded the same week by GOG, owned by CDPR, removing a game because of a ingame joke comparing the chinese president to whinnie the pooh. Not a good week for press for them as a whole and even if they fix cyberpunk how many people are just going to write them off as a company you want to touch even less than modern Bethesda or Bioware?

    It seems like they took a very stupid gamble and isn't paying off.
    I hadn't heard about the GOG controversy. I can't say I'm surprised, though. Just disappointed.

    I suppose the irony is the subject matter of the game itself - a tale about how the future is bleak due to shady corporations doing all they can to make a profit no matter how much of the world gets screwed over as a consequence.

  10. #3570
    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    I hadn't heard about the GOG controversy. I can't say I'm surprised, though. Just disappointed.

    I suppose the irony is the subject matter of the game itself - a tale about how the future is bleak due to shady corporations doing all they can to make a profit no matter how much of the world gets screwed over as a consequence.
    Nothing more punk than lying to please shareholders!

  11. #3571
    The fall from grace is big, but as someone said the higher u are the more painfull the fall is.

    But its CDPR who decided they want to fuck with their fans and customers, so fuck them . Vote with wallets ppl
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  12. #3572
    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBoo View Post
    I'm not shilling for shit and I haven't been hopping to their defense. I'm saying idiots trying to run __any__ new big bleeding edge game on one generation old console is an idiot.
    It's been pretty well established by pretty much everyone including CDPR that they dropped the ball with the last-gen versions and if they couldn't get it to work properly on those consoles then they shouldn't release it on those consoles, hence the refunds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artelia View Post
    My ersonal review on this game.

    Game is good and i have fun...i playing every side-quest/objective/police-thingy on the map and i have already lvl 50 while campain is still on fresh start.

    Story is good. Gigs are fun. Game is really fine.
    10/10 would buy again.

    But

    It's not what they promised. Many things missing.Quite disapointing because corporations are most cool in this game. I saw in reddit all features that they cuted out and it made me sick.

    I stared corpo-patch and still my best friends are nomads while corpo is evil and V don't like them.

    I can ignore bugs..but how i am supossed to ignore that this game has less that few years old gta while they promised so much more.

    It's good game...but my preorder was for perfect game.

    And this game is far from perfect.
    It was never going to be a perfect game. That said i would put dampers on expecting this to be the new GTA. Despite what they market, it doesn't look like the open world is their main focus. I expect mostly story based DLCs.

  14. #3574
    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    Yooo this is some dumb stuff youre comparing... video games and movies arent even in the same conversation when it comes to frame rates. Movies dont 180' to shoot someone down. Movies dont rely on input delay to make games feel responsive. You clearly don't know what youre talking about.
    If you're trying to refute his argument, throwing random phrases around that don't mean anything won't do the trick. "Input delays" should be entirely separate from framerate, especially given that you are not responding to games with fractional millisecond precision.

    It's true, films and games are different. But no, a game does not become unplayable by dipping below 30 fps; 24fps was picked by the film industry because it's all your brain needs to be able to perceive motion. It's more than good enough for games, and the rest is just gravy. You've probably become used to very high frame rates, but I think a lot of the issues here are entirely in people's heads. For example, a huge number of games on last gen consoles are/were framerate locked at 30 fps, and the complaints were "I'd like to have more frames if they're available," not, "This game is unplayable because it has so few frames."

    I remember 2-3 years ago, people were posting "this game is literally unplayable" memes with screenshots of a framerate at ~40 for just-released games on the newest video cards. I wonder if the meaning got lost over time, sort of like how r/The_Donald started as a sub to troll the guy and his supporters but eventually turned into his fanbase when people forgot the joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    If you're trying to refute his argument, throwing random phrases around that don't mean anything won't do the trick. "Input delays" should be entirely separate from framerate, especially given that you are not responding to games with fractional millisecond precision.

    It's true, films and games are different. But no, a game does not become unplayable by dipping below 30 fps; 24fps was picked by the film industry because it's all your brain needs to be able to perceive motion. It's more than good enough for games, and the rest is just gravy. You've probably become used to very high frame rates, but I think a lot of the issues here are entirely in people's heads. For example, a huge number of games on last gen consoles are/were framerate locked at 30 fps, and the complaints were "I'd like to have more frames if they're available," not, "This game is unplayable because it has so few frames."

    I remember 2-3 years ago, people were posting "this game is literally unplayable" memes with screenshots of a framerate at ~40 for just-released games on the newest video cards. I wonder if the meaning got lost over time, sort of like how r/The_Donald started as a sub to troll the guy and his supporters but eventually turned into his fanbase when people forgot the joke.
    30 FPS is still not smooth or nice to look at no two ways about it.
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    https://www.quartertothree.com/fp/20...yberpunk-2077/

    There's 66 critic reviews on metacritic. 60 are positive. 5 are mixed. This is the only negative and it's ruthless. Makes for a good read.

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    Easily a 7/10 game

    Enjoyable, not perfect
    Never got the hype for it. I bought it because it reminded me of Shadowrun
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  18. #3578
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    It's been pretty well established by pretty much everyone including CDPR that they dropped the ball with the last-gen versions and if they couldn't get it to work properly on those consoles then they shouldn't release it on those consoles, hence the refunds.
    When they delayed the game back in March/April, or hell even earlier, they should have just said, look, sorry guys, this thing has now expanded far, far beyond initial plans, old gen can't keep up and thus Cyberpunk becomes a next-gen title released in 2021 on PC and next gen consoles. We'll refund your pre-orders or convert them to a new-gen version as desired. There would have been a big controversy for sure because everything is a controversy in gamerland, but far less than the current shitshow I think.

    I just have a hard time believing that they didn't see the writing on the wall when playtesting the old gen versions. Maybe greed overtook their reason and the higher-ups decided that a massive sales spike right before the holidays was worth a loss in reputation from the borked release. I strongly doubt everyone at the company was OK with putting out such a broken mess. Imagine what it was before the delays.

    Then again, even if there were 0 actual bugs the game is choke full of jank, dodgy animations even when working as intended, bad AI, and incredibly half baked ideas like the broken wanted system that literally spawns cops on your ass even deep in poor districts or in Pacifica where they explicitly don't patrol. There's still a good to great game underneath it all, I'm having fun, but this feels like a title that doesn't come anywhere near reaching its fullest potential, whereas TW3 did. It needed 6 months to a year more in the oven, which after such a long time tells me that development must have been quite chaotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    If you're trying to refute his argument, throwing random phrases around that don't mean anything won't do the trick. "Input delays" should be entirely separate from framerate, especially given that you are not responding to games with fractional millisecond precision.

    It's true, films and games are different. But no, a game does not become unplayable by dipping below 30 fps; 24fps was picked by the film industry because it's all your brain needs to be able to perceive motion. It's more than good enough for games, and the rest is just gravy. You've probably become used to very high frame rates, but I think a lot of the issues here are entirely in people's heads. For example, a huge number of games on last gen consoles are/were framerate locked at 30 fps, and the complaints were "I'd like to have more frames if they're available," not, "This game is unplayable because it has so few frames."

    I remember 2-3 years ago, people were posting "this game is literally unplayable" memes with screenshots of a framerate at ~40 for just-released games on the newest video cards. I wonder if the meaning got lost over time, sort of like how r/The_Donald started as a sub to troll the guy and his supporters but eventually turned into his fanbase when people forgot the joke.
    I dont know what youre rambling about honestly lol, I didnt say unplayable once, not once..
    Input delay is largely based on frame rates. The difference from 60fps to 30fps is double input delay, making the game half as responsive. Frame rates are far more important in video games than movies, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    It's been pretty well established by pretty much everyone including CDPR that they dropped the ball with the last-gen versions and if they couldn't get it to work properly on those consoles then they shouldn't release it on those consoles, hence the refunds.
    I think that the situation is that it worked acceptably on upgraded consoles like PS4 Pro, but since there is no such thing as a PS4 Pro exclusive, they had to release a general last-gen version for people on those systems, even if they had the base version.

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