The Two Americas Divided Over Democracy

[Elegiac]

The fact you conflate the two only shows you actually don't support universal health care.

I do. Just not M4A.

Like I said I'm willing to bet you aren't able to elaborate what my beliefs on healthcare actually are. Which is ironic since you're whinging about people "misrepresenting your beliefs" nigh constantly.

[Edge-]

Low level drug crimes... Yeah because our prison population exploded why again? Oh right Biden and his Crime bill that focues on.... Low level drug crime.

...what? Yeah, his bill was shit. He's said it's shit. I've said it's shit. What does this have to do with anything other than using any excuse to snipe at Biden for old shit he did that he's acknowledged, apologized for, and committed (and shown) to to better?

You defend them anytime anyone is critical, as proven with Manning.

Naw dog, you accused me of defending them calling people "thugs". This is you moving the goalposts. Put up or shut up.

You defending Obama again, when it's obvios he should have been pardoned.

Obvious to whom? You?

You act as if he had any choice in the matter. I was in the military and I can tell you, he would have made it to his superior in the chain of command and he would have been silenced.

She*, she*, her*, she*

Doesn't mean it's not still a serious crime. Her sentence was excessive, Obama rectified that with a commutation.

Well I'm not perfect, sorry. I respond, and I take people lying about me seriously. Especially when I know how to fight for what is right. You want to continue malign me, be my guest. Doesn't mean I will be silent about it, well until I'm gone that is.

Just offering up some advise to help limit any frustration. I know it can get annoying trying to respond to a lot of people at once in a fast moving thread, and you've made your frustration known.

[Elegiac]

Yeah, you do, sometime, eventually... When or how exactly? Ohhh right, Gradualism.

You really seem to have a problem detaching what people want/believe and what they believe is actually feasible within a given time period.

Once again, you aren't actually able to point out any of my beliefs regarding healthcare. Just repeating the same shit you use against every other poster who disagrees with you, lol.

There was a great leader who warned us about taking the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.

Yeah, and then you and Tulsi would have told him to shut up and stop hanging everything on identity politics.

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You defend them anytime anyone is critical, as proven with Manning. You defending Obama again, when it's obvios he should have been pardoned. You act as if he had any choice in the matter. I was in the military and I can tell you, he would have made it to his superior in the chain of command and he would have been silenced.

That feel when Gabbard supporters claim they aren't TERFs and then misgender someone constantly.

[shimerra]

Yeah, you lie and thrown your own biased onto me because we have political disagreement. exactly what I said.

You confusing you being wrong with everyone else is lieing. Exactly like I said. But again keep playing the victim. Nothing wrong with you it's literally everyone else who has the problem yes?

Thanks for proving us all right by the way. Again.

No you insulted as you always do, and then get defense when people call you out on it. Now you are just making shit up and bring back old grudged that have nothing to do with the topic, because you have nothing else. It's okay, get it all off your chest.

Nope. But you just played the victim. Again. What's that 6 times on this page alone? Why should I repeat the same things everyone else has provided to help cure you of your ignorance? It's clearly not sticking. I can copy paste it I guess but it seems easier to just tell you to reread it. Either one gets the same baby can't have ice cream for dinner response.

[Rozz]

Everyone needs to settle down and keep discussion from being personal. Weaving between the topic and each other has gone on long enough. Also watch it with people's pronouns. There is a difference between forgetting/not knowing and being obstinate.

[shimerra]

Okay, who called who a (whiny bitch) again? Remind me ? Is that you using your big boy words you just learned or are you incapable of having a discussion without being insulting?

I called you what you are. And I never said I wasn't insulting overall. But in that post I wasn't. Blunt and accurate but that's about as well as one can describe your behavior without actual insult. If you take me correctly describing your actions as an insult then the onus is on you to stop behaving that way. As I said you aren't worth the effort to not be insulting. And it's not a lot of effort.

And remind me which of us threw a tantrum like a bitch making some comment asking someone not to @ them when instead of throwing the public tantrum he could use the ignore function or simply not participate in a discussion forum until his account deletion is completed? You. I answered because at this point I'm honestly not sure you'd get it right even though it just happened not long ago.


I request any further responses to me to be in italics only and Helvetica font. And all @ signs must be bolded. Fucking ridiculous.


edit- at work where funny enough I deal with people like him on the daily so missed the mod warning. I'll stop/take my infraction without crying about it like Tiajuana or Jettisawn.
[Infraction]

[Cthulhu 2020]

Like I said: "M4A" is your "MAGA". The real both sides problem is we have people addicted to political disinformation on both sides, lol.

Good ole political horseshoe.

[Felya]

There was a great leader who warned us about taking the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.

Apply it to Tulsi’s trans law... the time to rise up was during the last 4 years... now it’s time to get back what we lost.

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Good ole political horseshoe.

Using an MLK quote to defend a politician that is pushing an anti trans law, is disgusting...

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You're doing an awful lot of complaining that I'm being mean, and absolutely nothing to explain how I'm actually getting anything wrong.

Here is something interesting we discovered in this thread... are there two Americas? Since the prolific argument is what side everyone is on and there being two... In your argument, place your self, Jetti and Trump into those two sides. Do you see the problem?

When you have people that have been shitting on Trump for 4 years are being argued as the opposite side of someone... while there are two sides... isn’t the problem obvious?

There is no two sides to anything... the OP premise is flawed, resulting in a thread dominated with a largely flawed argument.

Edit: This is part of why I heart my avatar... When it tells you “you are god”, am not talking to my self. There is no such thing as two sides... there is no good an evil... there is no objective morality to be binary.

[Theodarzna]

Good ole political horseshoe.

Ah, I see the Universal Health Care respectors have come.

See? It's all political tribalism, for them M4A is an obstacle to loyalty and adoration for the DNC, it is an obstacle to loving the Party. @Jettisawn, these people aren't into politics at all, and are hardly worth the words to speak at them.

[downnola]

Can't people just be nice to me when I post belligerent and factually incorrect nonsense? :'(

If only everyone wasn't politically tribalistic and neutral like I am, then they'd see how smart I am. Can I be in the super cool real leftist club and join in on the political philosophy club at Starbucks?

[Theodarzna]

Can't people just be nice to me when I post belligerent and factually incorrect nonsense? :'(

If only everyone wasn't politically tribalistic and neutral like I am, then they'd see how smart I am. Can I be in the super cool real leftist club and join in on the political philosophy club at Starbucks?

I'm by no means neutral, but I'm not really that interested in defending the honor and reputation of a consumer product.

I mean, we got the "M4A is just the new MAGA" being unironically said here.

[unfilteredJW]

Can't people just be nice to me when I post belligerent and factually incorrect nonsense? :'(

If only everyone wasn't politically tribalistic and neutral like I am, then they'd see how smart I am. Can I be in the super cool real leftist club and join in on the political philosophy club at Starbucks?

It’s the post version of Kyle’s dad farting into a wine glass and sniffing it with a smug look on his face.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Ah, I see the Universal Health Care respectors have come.

See? It's all political tribalism, for them M4A is an obstacle to loyalty and adoration for the DNC, it is an obstacle to loving the Party. @Jettisawn, these people aren't into politics at all, and are hardly worth the words to speak at them.

It's rather telling that you know absolutely nothing about me. Elgiac is right, M4A is just the MAGA of the left. Would I like M4A? Sure. That doesn't mean I'm going to go around chanting it like some tribal slogan and dick-slapping Democrats with a hate boner labeled M4A.

It seems Democrats are living rent free in your head every waking moment, and probably most of the time you're sleeping as well.

[tastelander]

It's rather telling that you know absolutely nothing about me. Elgiac is right, M4A is just the MAGA of the left. Would I like M4A? Sure. That doesn't mean I'm going to go around chanting it like some tribal slogan and dick-slapping Democrats with a hate boner labeled M4A.

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So what do you believe in you annoying little cunt? Because it looks to everyone with a fucking brain that you just elected a guy who has 95% of Trump's policy agenda, and won't be able or willing to implement the remaining 5%.

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It’s the post version of Kyle’s dad farting into a wine glass and sniffing it with a smug look on his face.

Oh a pop culture reference to something that was cool 20 years ago, you MUST be smart. Now post a meme to emphasize your superior intelligence...

[Felya]

The only thing that's disgusting is your continual need to misrepresent what I said. IE I was talking about Health Care and conflating to Tulsi bill. One That I don't even support, but I do understand. Of course I expect nothing less form you.

First, sorry, can’t play your insult game, I don’t want to be silenced:

Everyone needs to settle down and keep discussion from being personal. Weaving between the topic and each other has gone on long enough. Also watch it with people's pronouns. There is a difference between forgetting/not knowing and being obstinate.

It’s quite clear that both leftist and liberals are in the same side, as far as the OP is concerned. How are there two sides? If there are two sides, assuming it’s Trump’s GOP and “the opposition”, what side does conflating trans athletes having an advantage in sports, as if healthcare is being discussed? What side uses trans folks, in a healthcare argument?

So, instead of attacking me... How many sides are there to US and which side do I reside on, noting that a dichotomy would result in you landing on the opposite. So, if I am wrong, which is what I am assuming you mean by the reply... If I have been attacking Trump for 4 years and you are in the opposing side of me... where do you land? Do you see the problem? Why do I get this reply, to pointing out, that people being unduly called Trump supporters, is due to the illusion of there being two sides?

<==== If everyone is god, how many sides are there?

You also can't get my stance right, perhaps not try and understand the half of American you hold in disdain. The only agruments that are flawed are the ones you make up that I never made.

Which half of America? Reminder, I am one of the most exuberant Trump haters on the forum. There being two sides and me not understanding the one you are on... what side are you on? Do you see the problem I highlighted, to get this response?

I’ll say this for your 2 sides... you act like you are aware of only two, while claiming I don’t understand one of them... What if I told you, that there are far more sides than I am capable of ever understanding them all, while arguing only two, means you don’t understand any? What would you think about that?

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I mean, we got the "M4A is just the new MAGA" being unironically said here.

Because just like MAGA, when it’s used to deny human rights and cannot be rationally explained, it obviously has no real meaning... but, punching down. Are there people who use M4A and know what it means? Absolutely... is it the people who can’t explain it and are discussing trans athletes in its context? Absolutely not...

[Endus]

I’ll say this for your 2 sides... you act like you are aware of only two, while claiming I don’t understand one of them... What if I told you, that there are far more sides than I am capable of ever understanding them all, while arguing only two, means you don’t understand any? What would you think about that?

The "two sides" thing really seems like projection more than anything. I'm a Canadian, and a liberal market socialist, to the extent that I desire bringing about the ending of the entire concept of private ownership of the means of production at a fundamental level. And yet, I get accused by these "two sides" folks of being a "corporatist Democrat" or the like. They make no effort to understand where I'm coming from even though I'm super open about my ideological principles and where they come from, and just assign me to a "side" in their head because they can't or won't accept that as a model it does not function.

[Krakan]

The "two sides" thing really seems like projection more than anything. I'm a Canadian, and a liberal market socialist, to the extent that I desire bringing about the ending of the entire concept of private ownership of the means of production at a fundamental level. And yet, I get accused by these "two sides" folks of being a "corporatist Democrat" or the like. They make no effort to understand where I'm coming from even though I'm super open about my ideological principles and where they come from, and just assign me to a "side" in their head because they can't or won't accept that as a model it does not function.

Most people don't have time for politics. It's far easier to group people into two camps. That and communism is such a utterly failed idea it isn't seriously considered anymore in the political arena but used as a slur.

[Felya]

The "two sides" thing really seems like projection more than anything. I'm a Canadian, and a liberal market socialist, to the extent that I desire bringing about the ending of the entire concept of private ownership of the means of production at a fundamental level. And yet, I get accused by these "two sides" folks of being a "corporatist Democrat" or the like. They make no effort to understand where I'm coming from even though I'm super open about my ideological principles and where they come from, and just assign me to a "side" in their head because they can't or won't accept that as a model it does not function.

I don’t remember who said this or the context... Always consider who is benefiting the most. How do you convince evangelicals, that a man like Trump is worthy of support? He might be evil, but he is on our other side. That’s pretty much Trump’s campaign... There being 2 sides, those who love America like him and the communists. If there are more than two, he inevitably loses support.

[Endus]

Most people don't have time for politics. It's far easier to group people into two camps. That and communism is such a utterly failed idea it isn't seriously considered anymore in the political arena but used as a slur.

If you "don't have time for politics", you don't have time to express opinions on politics, and aren't posting in these threads.

If you are posting, you've got time, and interest. So if you don't understand the complexities, that's a personal choice for willful ignorance.

And why are you bringing up communism out of nowhere?

[Felya]

Most people don't have time for politics. It's far easier to group people into two camps. That and communism is such a utterly failed idea it isn't seriously considered anymore in the political arena but used as a slur.

It has nothing to do with it. The dichotomy is pushed by incompetent politicians. You are blaming the outcome, as if it was the cause. Populism isn’t inherent to politics...