The Two Americas Divided Over Democracy

[Krakan]

If you "don't have time for politics", you don't have time to express opinions on politics, and aren't posting in these threads.

If you are posting, you've got time, and interest. So if you don't understand the complexities, that's a personal choice for willful ignorance.

And why are you bringing up communism out of nowhere?

I was speaking in general and the example of your beliefs seems pretty communist in nature seizing the means of production and all that. O I'm sure it's not a 1 to 1 before you go off on it but it's a old tune your singing

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It has nothing to do with it. The dichotomy is pushed by incompetent politicians. You are blaming the outcome, as if it was the cause. Populism isn’t inherent to politics...

It contributes a minority of a minority votes on topics beyond surface level issues. It's likely smaller then those who vote based on their favorite color. It's why political ads are attack ads with sound bites not arguments.

[Endus]

I was speaking in general and the example of your beliefs seems pretty communist in nature seizing the means of production and all that. O I'm sure it's not a 1 to 1 before you go off on it but it's a old tune your singing

Then you don't have a single clue what my beliefs are, or what any of the terms in the label mean, separately or in combination. Because you don't know anything about it, you decided to kneejerk with a bunch of McCarthyist propaganda nonsense.

I know it's easier to wallow in willful ignorance than make an effort to educate yourself, but sticking that wallowing out there with pride is fucking silly.

[Krakan]

Then you don't have a single clue what my beliefs are, or what any of the terms in the label mean, separately or in combination. Because you don't know anything about it, you decided to kneejerk with a bunch of McCarthyist propaganda nonsense.

I know it's easier to wallow in willful ignorance than make an effort to educate yourself, but sticking that wallowing out there with pride is fucking silly.

Well let's give it the old smell test. Has your political ideology ever been applied in the real world with an area containing at least 500,000 people and not lead to mass starvation?

[Endus]

Well let's give it the old smell test. Has your political ideology ever been applied in the real world with an area containing at least 500,000 people and not lead to mass starvation?

As much as any pure concept has ever been applied, yes. It's why Canada has universal healthcare.

Like I said; you're repeating ancient McCarthyist propaganda garbage, not making an argument. I don't know why you believe 50's-era horseshit that was debunked a half-century ago, but that's where you're at.

[downnola]

Well let's give it the old smell test. Has your political ideology ever been applied in the real world with an area containing at least 500,000 people and not lead to mass starvation?

Whenever I read your posts I think to myself that all I'd really need to do is just go straight to youtube and look up the Rubin Report. Who needs you when we can go straight to the source?

[Krakan]

As much as any pure concept has ever been applied, yes. It's why Canada has universal healthcare.

Like I said; you're repeating ancient McCarthyist propaganda garbage, not making an argument. I don't know why you believe 50's-era horseshit that was debunked a half-century ago, but that's where you're at.

Likely because I know from history that someone wants to remove the private sector in favor of turning it over to the public they always usher in the collapse of civilization.

Your beliefs are ancient and have been proven utterly unsuited to modern times repeatedly.

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Whenever I read your posts I think to myself that all I'd really need to do is just go straight to youtube and look up the Rubin Report. Who needs you when we can go straight to the source?

I don't know who that is.. are you saying there is a audience that would pay me to post videos? I'm to self conscious for onlyfans but perhaps this could be a lucrative side hobby.

[Bodonius]

Democrats is undemocratic, its ok, next election everyone will cheat

We will have 1000% vote rate

[Endus]

Likely because I know from history that someone wants to remove the private sector in favor of turning it over to the public they always usher in the collapse of civilization.

Given that your statement there is objectively, obviously false, and not in any way rooted in history, you don't "know" that. It's McCarthyist propaganda you refuse to critically analyse, and just swallow wholesale.

Your beliefs are ancient and have been proven utterly unsuited to modern times repeatedly.

Case in point.

Socialist theory is more "modern" than capitalist theory. If you understood even basic economics theory, you'd have learned that; socialist theory largely emerged as a response to and development upon capitalist theory.

[Bodonius]

Are you drunk posting again?

Yes, dont make things less true.

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Ah, it sucks that when im drunk posting, most people are asleep

[Krakan]

Given that your statement there is objectively, obviously false, and not in any way rooted in history, you don't "know" that. It's McCarthyist propaganda you refuse to critically analyse, and just swallow wholesale.



Case in point.

Socialist theory is more "modern" than capitalist theory. If you understood even basic economics theory, you'd have learned that; socialist theory largely emerged as a response to and development upon capitalist theory.

That aspect of it I see as having some merits but the idea of disenfranchisement among the most useful people in a vain effort to balance the scales will inevitably lead to collapse. Your ideas are not terribly revolutionary just the same failed experiments with a new coat of paint.

Now isolationism? That's the path forward. Every nation should be a self sustaining fortress.

[Bodonius]

Oh god, i would say you ever got laid?
The huge advantage of capitalist theory is that it works, the flaw of socialist theory is that it never have worked ever...

[Gestopft]

Like I said; you're repeating ancient McCarthyist propaganda garbage, not making an argument. I don't know why you believe 50's-era horseshit that was debunked a half-century ago, but that's where you're at.

I frequently read articles from conservative publications, and this problem is endemic; they think they are fighting the exact same left from 50 years ago with the exact same beliefs.

[Endus]

That aspect of it I see as having some merits but the idea of disenfranchisement

Not a socialist concept.

among the most useful people

Straight-up McCarthyist, Ayn-Randian bafflegab bullshittery.

in a vain effort to balance the scales

Not socialism.

will inevitably lead to collapse.

Historically speaking, obviously false.

Your ideas are not terribly revolutionary just the same failed experiments with a new coat of paint.

Literally all you're doing is demonstrating that you don't have any idea what you're talking about and no understanding of the history of economics theory.

Now isolationism? That's the path forward. Every nation should be a self sustaining fortress.

Wherein you unironically push arguably the single greatest reason for the Soviet bloc's economic collapse as if that were a strength, and while condemning me for supposedly supporting similar views to theirs, which I don't.

This is what I mean by propaganda, dude. Your position is bananas.

[Howel]

Now isolationism? That's the path forward. Every nation should be a self sustaining fortress.

I am not sure you are aware the irony on that notion, seeing as one of the core pillars to the socialist block's lack of advancement, was isolationism. The capability to harvest off ones internal manufacturing advancements by production and selling to others to garner foreign currency and material, is basically one of the most principle economic foundations that any functional society builds itself on.

[Gestopft]

Oh god, i would say you ever got laid?
The huge advantage of capitalist theory is that it works, the flaw of socialist theory is that it never have worked ever...

Yes; poverty, starvation, and homelessness aren't problems endemic to capitalism at ALL. Nooooo, not at all.....

[Krakan]

I am not sure you are aware the irony on that notion, seeing as one of the core pillars to the socialist block's lack of advancement, was isolationism. The incapability to harvest off ones internal manufacturing advancements by production and selling to others to garner foreign currency and material, is basically one of the most principle economic foundations that any functional society builds itself on.

Exporting should be highly encouraged but importing shouldn't be. Wealth should be hoarded within a nations walls.

[bladeXcrasher]

Exporting should be highly encouraged but importing shouldn't be. Wealth should be hoarded within a nations walls.

I cannot believe you said opposing policy in a single post...or maybe I can...

[Bodonius]

Your listing socialism problems!

[Gestopft]

Exporting should be highly encouraged but importing shouldn't be. Wealth should be hoarded within a nations walls.

Right! Every nation should only export. Makes sense!

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Your listing socialism problems!

I didn't realize that the US- which is not a socialist country- doesn't have poverty, starvation, or homelessness, and hasn't its entire history. Hint: when you commodify necessary goods, there will be- by design- people unable to afford said necessary goods.

[Krakan]

Right! Every nation should only export. Makes sense!

Nonsense and you know that. Imports should be strictly monitored and heavily taxed.