Cyberpunk 2077

[Radisss]

They didnt lie though, they just didnt test the game on a variety of different platforms and different PC setups, the game works excellent on my 5 year old system, no game in history has ever launched perfectly especially when it was released on multiple platforms at the same time.

When a game is released you expect plenty of bugs and such as it takes months to iron out those kinks, it just sounds like you have a false sense of entitlement like many other games who cant just be patient for things to come along.

They LITERALLY delayed it because of the other platforms and THIS is the state it came out in. Just fucking imagine how absurd the build must've been back in April, you know, when it was originally supposed to come out.

[Graeham]

There's an awful lot of gaslighting going on in this thread...

This is by no means a case of a few angry gamers with bloated expectations. It's a case of a well respected company with excellent consumer rapport dropping the ball hard and then dropping it again and again within a very short window of time.

[Saltysquidoon]

it is entitlement plain and simple, gamers these days have no patience and fail to understand what actually goes into developing a game, games are much harder to develop now than ever before, companies have to come up with new ideas and take advange of new technologies, it shouldnt matter if a game has a few issues on release, in a few months at most usually most issues should be resolved.

Cyberpunk for me has gave me no issue bar a minor few graphical bugs with 40 hours played time, so for me is more than a good release.

Metal gear solid (or insert almost any game from a time before patching was common or even feasible) played perfectly from the second you put it in the machine. It's not a matter of new technologies or complexity, its because publishers know they don't have to polish games anymore because they can patch them after launch.
There was a time when game companies sold finished products, now they sell promises of future patches or roadmaps or live services.

I'll note you sidestepped my argument but I'll press it. If you purchased a movie where one scene had just not been edited and featured the cast and crew talking about everyday shit on either side of it. Would it be 'entitlement' to criticise the film for it, even if the production company promised to fix it?

Finally 'works on my machine' is not an excuse, it will never be an excuse. The game has had two patches both feature numerous bugfixes (as well you might expect from a patch). That means the claim the game is buggy stands on its face.

[Tech614]

And you seem to miss out the simple fact that the games were designed to run on the console first before they even spent years on making it work on a different platform, like RDR2 spent a year to get it on PC and that didnt go well at first either did it.

I don't think you have any clue how game development works, Cyberpunk was announced 8 years ago if you think they started development on it targeting PS5 and XSX you have no clue. Not to mention there isn't even XSX and PS5 versions of the game, they simple run the last gen versions with enhancements in backwards compatibility mode.

So if you think they weren't targeting the PS4 and XBO I have no idea what the fuck you think they where doing because there isn't even PS5 and XSX versions of the game genius. Oh and for the dumb chance you're claiming they only had time to make a PC version then maybe this whole AAA 3rd party thing ain't their thing and they should go back to making small scale games. Ubisoft literally released not 1, not 2 but 3 open world games day and date on last gen, next gen and PC and none of them have these performance issues. Sorry for the excuse train not working.

[Cringefest]

Just because a game thats just been released has no met certain gamers expectations doesnt mean the devs just lied about everything, nothing wrote in the papers is exempt from that actual truth, the actual truth is more like they were so focused on releasing the game they just didnt test the game properly on a variety of different gaming systems to make sure it was playable and they shouldnt of really released on multiple gaming platforms at the same time so this was bound to happen anyway.



And you seem to miss out the simple fact that the games were designed to run on the console first before they even spent years on making it work on a different platform, like RDR2 spent a year to get it on PC and that didnt go well at first either did it.

If a company releases a game on consoles and PC at the same time then there was going to be issues regardless.

Right. OK.

[Gurg]

Just because a game thats just been released has no met certain gamers expectations doesnt mean the devs just lied about everything, nothing wrote in the papers is exempt from that actual truth, the actual truth is more like they were so focused on releasing the game they just didnt test the game properly on a variety of different gaming systems to make sure it was playable and they shouldnt of really released on multiple gaming platforms at the same time so this was bound to happen anyway.

And you seem to miss out the simple fact that the games were designed to run on the console first before they even spent years on making it work on a different platform, like RDR2 spent a year to get it on PC and that didnt go well at first either did it.

If a company releases a game on consoles and PC at the same time then there was going to be issues regardless.

Devs never had saying or decision making in release date of Cyberpunk as well as its promotion and distribution. They are Devs, not front faces or spokesmen of the company.
CDPR had enough time to make and test game on every announced platform.
Logically if they have been developing a game for a then-current gen console system the game it self should have the least issues running on those consoles because those are same pre-built systems with same components in them. Only thing that varies is actual size and quality of storage HDD. You literally build a game for all PS4's and all xOne's.

Lets do facts check.

Announcement.
CP first teased Cyberpunk 8 years ago, May 2012, with trailer being released in January 2013.
At that time PS4 and xOne were actually NEXT GEN consoles that were not yet released.

At E3 2018 CDPR confirmed Cyberpunk for PC, Playstation 4 and xOne, all of which were current gen consoles at the time.
At E3 2019 initial release date was announced, April 2020.
At E3 2020 support for NEXT GET consoles PS5 and xSX was announced for 2021 as well as free update to next gen for those who already preordered PS4 and xOne versions. Free because they are not Bethesda and EA to double bill for next gen upgrades, which CDPR said it self.

Released game.
PC. Game runs decently on higher end PCs, however even on Ryzen 7 5800X, 32GB 3000MHz and 2080TI it has issues maintaining 60fps. Thats my config.
And thats AFTER you hex edit Cyberpunk.exe to fully run on Ryzen instead of ignoring "virtual" threads and memory patch that lets it stretch over more ram memory. Version with least issues i would say.

PS5 and xSX. Both versions have issue in both modes, Performance and Quality, where dynamic resolution scaling sacrifice screen resolution to maintain 60FPS on Performance and 30FPS on Quality. It dips even below 720p in scenes with a lot of visual noise (like gunfights).
You can easily find videos of these tests all over youtube.

PS4 and xOne. The game doesn't even run like its Beta version. Not even Alpha version. It runs like its a early development Dev leak.
Older guys like me remember that used to happen early 2000's with highly anticipated games.
And we are talking here about consoles for which initial announcement was made. These should have been "main" consoles that they aimed at.

CD Project Red.
They literally used every downfall of EA, Ubisoft, Bioware, Bethesda and other AAA publishes to promote their "we work for gamers" philosophy, saying that they do not condone that kind of (bad) behavior and that they will never do something like that because they exist for us, gamers.
They were also first to say "crunch is not mandatory in our company." yet their devs said it was mandatory, both on Witcher 3 and CP2077.
They never released PS4 and xOne gameplay videos, never handled out early/test keys. Knowing how bad game works on those consoles.

Not only that they used others downfalls to kick them while they are down and promote them selfs via "we work for gamers" sales pitch, they straight up lied right there an then, they also CONCEALED poor performance on base platforms on which game was actually announced.
So - Hypocrisy, lie, false advertisement and concealment of poor performance. Literally only thing that not makes them as bad as EA are microtransactions. Bethesda at least had Fo76 in playable state across all platforms, something with which CDPR and Cyberpunk are frequently compared with.

Today

• 1. Playstation Network (and PS Store) released in 2010. Since then there was no game that was pulled from the store by Sony, platform holder. This was FIRST game that was pulled off the PSN by Platform holder. Ever.
• 2. They admitted that they wanted just to push game out in a state it is and work on it from there.
• 3. They admitted that they knew about "issues" with PS4 and xOne and offered FULL refund, no questions asked. Again something that didn't went well since they didn't coordinated with platform holders which had their own rules and refund policy.
• 4. They said "sorry" for everything done and promised that they will release two major patches AFTER Holiday season, with small fix patches rolling trough December. Understandable, Devs are also normal people that had least saying in all this, they deserved to rest and spend holidays with families.
• 5. They said that Cyberpunk runs "surprisingly" well on last gen consoles. Consoles for which it was initially announced. its like, metaphorically - "Hey bro, wanna buy this car in excellent condition and all other sales pitch." You buy it and i come back to you and say "Oh shit, it actually runs surprisingly well." Wouldn't you feel like ur being shit on or at least being a super naïve person?

Now. There is no need to comment CDPR a lot. Down the line its a corpo, and, unfortunately, every corpo's main goal is to boost sales in order to amass money for shareholders.
I feel sorry for actual game it self. It showed potential of being god damn gender defining title. It also had potential to bring cyberpunk gender into mainstream with possible cultural shock. And it failed. Due to someone's greed and nothing more. The game became bigger meme than GTA V fails and its possibly one of the biggest failed launches that I've seen in my life.

So much raw potential of the game wasted because of greed.
And feeling sorry for all those Devs that spent a lot of time working hard on this game just to watch how its burned down to ashes.
Its just that, nothing more.
I dont care about CDPRs execs or shareholders, they rip what they sow.

No matter how you look at it. Its a fail. A big one.
For the sake of game it self i hope that it will get No Mans Sky treatment and down the line that they will continue to work on further polish.
However, i fear that beneath it the issues are far bigger than just "fix this broken quest, or this clipping."

I wont lie, visually the game looks stunning af. Beautiful. And on moments it gives out quality of AAAA game, however those are far too less and far too apart to actually get impression like you are playing AAAA game.

As soon as you start interacting with world in any way that AAAA quality drops down to AA quality and you get the impression like you are playing something that is released around 2015 with all issues that game has.

Whole NPC system has to be looked at. NPCs walking like robots. Clipping trough each other. Disappearing, bugging out. Dead enemies rolling on the floor.
Major AI update has to happen. Enemy AI, NPC AI, Drivers AI. Police AI. Enemies bug out, NPCs get crouching when you take damage and stay like that. Stupidest police AI ever. Drivers AI breaks as soon as you have car parked on the street, they dont even try to get pass by you.
Combat needs to be looked at. Bullet sponges. Bugged enemies. A lot of visual noise and skills that work oddly.
Whole skill system needs to be looked at. A lot of meaningless skills, overpriced MODs.
Whole UI needs a look at.
Keybinds needs to be looked at and more freedom given in changing default core keybinds.

And a lot more.. Those are just most frequently talked about.

I love the gender it self and i was looking forward to Cyberpunk bringing it to mainstream. The game it self was wet dream to me and despite all above said i really like the game and look forward to playing it.
However, no matter how much i tried to play it - it simply puts me off to the point that i shelved it until they iron it out.

I really tried looking pass all visual bugs and broken AI that i run into, ok, that will be patched and fixed, but combination of clunky combat, somewhat strange skills, bullet sponges, unconfigurable core keybinds that forced me to play the game in a way that im not used to and small issues like that forced me to shelve it for the time being.
I dont like of being forced to mod the game just to make it playable for me, and i use quite "default" keybinds for FPS's.

[yasiru]

I'm still waiting on you to declare that I know everything here and you should admit I am the defacto subject matter expert here on these forums. Once you admit that, I will let you get back to your video game playing

You get so upset about people calling the sham of a game what it is, and spout out right lies to defend it.

Here, I fixed this for you as I know this is really what you've always wanted to tell everyone.

In all seriousness, why do you even care if he is wrong or that anyone needs to explain anything to you? You most likely haven't even played the game so why does it matter to you why anyone enjoys it regardless of the horrible state in which it was released? There's absolutely no denying the game released as a broken mess but that doesn't mean everyone has to tell you it is, even if they want to play it. Once again, I will repeat, there are plenty of garbage movies that I and others love but we don't need to go explaining why to anyone, least of all you. People have their reasons...

[Binaris]

Remember when discussions about games were about the actual game and not people pretending to be business majors trying to sound smart discussing stock prices? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[Tech614]

In all seriousness, why do you even care if he is wrong

You made the mistake of thinking I care. If someone posts an outright lie, to defend a game they get called on it. That's not caring, that's just the truth. Claiming only the last gen version is broken is an outright lie trying to downplay criticism of a game that somehow gets more broken with each patch because their patches are as rushed and half cooked as the game itself was.

[Nehezbegar]

I second Gurg. CDPR atm has enough resources and money (Witcher 3 still is selling like a truck constant money stream for CDP) to deliver game like Cyberpunk with all the promises. If they delayed it more after initial rush of disappointment with gamers they will eventually soothe (ofc not the retards that send death threats to devs). Only big impact would be potential stock drop. Even if they delayed it till end of 2021. They decided to release it early despite devs rising problems with last gen consoles, tehy clearly wanted to cash in the holiday season...but that bit them in the ass immensly (It's like rushing dungeons in WoW, pulling half a dung and wiping...sometimes slower is faster )

I think they need to change their processes internally big time, how they develop projects, the management of the projects etc., otherwise this situation won't turn around. This turd will follow them to grave sadly, but they at least can make it less smelly in the years to come, potential is there, but they have to change.

[Selastan]

Alright, I'm gonna go out and say something.

Let's stop defending the game and CDPR.

If we don't say anything positive, the trolls can't come in and respond. If we let the argument's die here, we win. They only succeed in spreading the hate when they have someone to bounce off of. If we don't respond, they don't work. So, to everyone actually enjoying the game, if you see someone saying 'lol this game sucks, the devs need to go to jail' don't feed them. Please. Don't quote them, don't acknowledge their existence. Let it die. Whatever discussions you were in the middle of, let it die. When you see that notification that someone quoted you in this thread, I hope you read this first and just pretend it didn't happen. Let them have the last word, because if they have the last word, that means there are no more words. It's over.

Now, they are gonna try and rile you. Say 'You're not responding so either you are a coward or you admit I'm right' but it doesn't matter. That's how trolls work. If the hate dies, we win.

[kaminaris]

I second Gurg. CDPR atm has enough resources and money (Witcher 3 still is selling like a truck constant money stream for CDP) to deliver game like Cyberpunk with all the promises. If they delayed it more after initial rush of disappointment with gamers they will eventually soothe (ofc not the retards that send death threats to devs). Only big impact would be potential stock drop. Even if they delayed it till end of 2021. They decided to release it early despite devs rising problems with last gen consoles, tehy clearly wanted to cash in the holiday season...but that bit them in the ass immensly (It's like rushing dungeons in WoW, pulling half a dung and wiping...sometimes slower is faster )

I think they need to change their processes internally big time, how they develop projects, the management of the projects etc., otherwise this situation won't turn around. This turd will follow them to grave sadly, but they at least can make it less smelly in the years to come, potential is there, but they have to change.

That is common misconception and it really doesn't work that way. "Just give it more time and it will be perfect", no it will not be. Any experienced developer that worked in bigger project will tell you that. Having more time absolutely doesn't guarantee bug-free release. Simply because you still cannot cover every single possibility that customers can have. Plus having more time means they will just end up being more ambitious and we all know how it works with too much ambitions: Star citizen.

They don't need to change anything except marketing.
Its people that actually need to grow up from fairy tales.

[Volatilis]

Alright, I'm gonna go out and say something.

Let's stop defending the game and CDPR.

If we don't say anything positive, the trolls can't come in and respond. If we let the argument's die here, we win. They only succeed in spreading the hate when they have someone to bounce off of. If we don't respond, they don't work. So, to everyone actually enjoying the game, if you see someone saying 'lol this game sucks, the devs need to go to jail' don't feed them. Please. Don't quote them, don't acknowledge their existence. Let it die. Whatever discussions you were in the middle of, let it die. When you see that notification that someone quoted you in this thread, I hope you read this first and just pretend it didn't happen. Let them have the last word, because if they have the last word, that means there are no more words. It's over.

Now, they are gonna try and rile you. Say 'You're not responding so either you are a coward or you admit I'm right' but it doesn't matter. That's how trolls work. If the hate dies, we win.

Nice to see you're moving along the stages of grief and are now at stage 5 acceptance.

You're nearly there! Hang in there bud

[Velerios]

a DelaYeD gAMe iS eVentUalLy GOOd. a RuSHed gAmE iS fOrEVeR bAD.

And? For me it's a good game. I have another one: Stupid arguments are stupid!

And: Cyberpunk is a game that shouldn't have been released on last gen consoles. Because let's be honest: PC player does not have this issues.

The issue is the stupid policy of both xbox and ps5 that every game needs to be released on the same generation: That's their fault, not CDPR. Because as far as i saw it, it works on both the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X. But it surely doesn't on the Xbox one, Xbox one S and the original PS4/Slim.

[Eapoe]

And? For me it's a good game. I have another one: Stupid arguments are stupid!

And: Cyberpunk is a game that shouldn't have been released on last gen consoles. Because let's be honest: PC player does not have this issues.

The issue is the stupid policy of both xbox and ps5 that every game needs to be released on the same generation: That's their fault, not CDPR. Because as far as i saw it, it works on both the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X. But it surely doesn't on the Xbox one, Xbox one S and the original PS4/Slim.

From everything being discussed and shared, the game was meant to be released on all consoles, and was originally marketed for last gen consoles.

[Velerios]

From everything being discussed and shared, the game was meant to be released on all consoles, and was originally marketed for last gen consoles.

Wrong. Just because they started developing the game for the last gen consoles does not say anything. Simply because Microsoft and Sony took so f****** goddamn long to release a new generation. Because before the Ps4/xbox one they released consoles in a much faster rhythm. Cyberpunk was meaned to be released around 2020, so they thought that a new generation from consoles get out far before that.

But instead adding a new generation, ms and sony did go the stupid way, released a rehased version of the original console (ps4 pro/xbox one x) with the promise that this is for 4k only and that every game will run on all consoles. So yes, it was meaned to be released on all consoles, that's something you are right, but you are wrong about the premise that they thought when they developed the game that the new generation will be already out when the game gets released.

[tikcol]

You realize Skyrim has tons of even more severe bugs, NINE years after release, even after new versions and ports have been made. No one is suggesting Todd Howard goes to jail or resigns. I'm not defending them, I'm saying stop hitting them, they have had enough. We've seen buggy releases and cut features before, to larger extents. Disappointment isn't unwarranted, but this level of hate is.

The game is a mess on several levels. I finished the game on very hard and I killed the last boss on the same spot he spawned in like 3 seconds.

I one shotted everything by the time I reached level 35~, I even thought my damage was bugged or something.

NPCs in the world have no AI, they have really simple scripted and bugged reactions.

They even removed the thermal katana from the gameplay they released in fucking August.

I could go on.

Now.. Did people set really awkward expectations?

They certainly did. There's a middle ground though.

[Selastan]

The game is a mess on several levels. I finished the game on very hard and I killed the last boss on the same spot he spawned in like 3 seconds.

I one shotted everything by the time I reached level 35~, I even thought my damage was bugged or something.

NPCs in the world have no AI, they have really simple scripted and bugged reactions.

They even removed the thermal katana from the gameplay they released in fucking August.

I could go on.

Now.. Did people set really awkward expectations?

They certainly did. There's a middle ground though.

Ah, finally. Reasonable criticism that isn't mindless bandwagoning hate. Now THAT is a healthy way to discuss a game's problems. I feel the apology and refund were more than enough to make up for marketing's mistakes. A perfect 'middle ground' between jailing the staff and turning a blind eye to the problem, wouldn't you say?

It isn't just your level that one-shots things. There is a particular item, the launcher arm modification with the tranq rounds, that literally one shots enemies. That's because it doesn't do damage, it just applies the 'unconscious' effect. There is also quick hacks that either insta-kill, insta-knockout, or insta-kill AFTER they attack their allies, all can be used independent of each other and can even spread. I feel like things like this actually contribute to the RPG nature of the game. Broken builds are fun, as long as they are lore-friendly and don't use exploits. Some builds are just stronger than others, like my tank/shotgun build I played the first time. I was so indestructible by the final mission I didn't even need to take cover anymore, even against the final boss. I slapped him with my fists just to style on him and I loved it.

The AI is an issue, noticed this as a stealth character big time. It is nice how they don't really just forget you were there after they notice you once, though, I'll give them that. One spot and everyone is high alert. The problem is that even when they know where you are, they don't DO anything. Get a good spot and anyone can potshot even the toughest enemies. Even melee equipped characters barely make a rush at you.

Did they cut the thermal katana? I swear I saw a mod that let you put heat damage on melee weapons. Haven't done a melee build yet, so I didn't notice. Saving that one for when I go for the Platinum trophy.

[Cringefest]

Alright, I'm gonna go out and say something.

Let's stop defending the game and CDPR.

If we don't say anything positive, the trolls can't come in and respond. If we let the argument's die here, we win. They only succeed in spreading the hate when they have someone to bounce off of. If we don't respond, they don't work. So, to everyone actually enjoying the game, if you see someone saying 'lol this game sucks, the devs need to go to jail' don't feed them. Please. Don't quote them, don't acknowledge their existence. Let it die. Whatever discussions you were in the middle of, let it die. When you see that notification that someone quoted you in this thread, I hope you read this first and just pretend it didn't happen. Let them have the last word, because if they have the last word, that means there are no more words. It's over.

Now, they are gonna try and rile you. Say 'You're not responding so either you are a coward or you admit I'm right' but it doesn't matter. That's how trolls work. If the hate dies, we win.

And this, right after that post by Gurg (I admire your patience dude) is exactly Star citizen levels of detachment from reality. Good luck dude.

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Ah, finally. Reasonable criticism that isn't mindless bandwagoning hate. Now THAT is a healthy way to discuss a game's problems. I feel the apology and refund were more than enough to make up for marketing's mistakes. A perfect 'middle ground' between jailing the staff and turning a blind eye to the problem, wouldn't you say?

It isn't just your level that one-shots things. There is a particular item, the launcher arm modification with the tranq rounds, that literally one shots enemies. That's because it doesn't do damage, it just applies the 'unconscious' effect. There is also quick hacks that either insta-kill, insta-knockout, or insta-kill AFTER they attack their allies, all can be used independent of each other and can even spread. I feel like things like this actually contribute to the RPG nature of the game. Broken builds are fun, as long as they are lore-friendly and don't use exploits. Some builds are just stronger than others, like my tank/shotgun build I played the first time. I was so indestructible by the final mission I didn't even need to take cover anymore, even against the final boss. I slapped him with my fists just to style on him and I loved it.

The AI is an issue, noticed this as a stealth character big time. It is nice how they don't really just forget you were there after they notice you once, though, I'll give them that. One spot and everyone is high alert. The problem is that even when they know where you are, they don't DO anything. Get a good spot and anyone can potshot even the toughest enemies. Even melee equipped characters barely make a rush at you.

Did they cut the thermal katana? I swear I saw a mod that let you put heat damage on melee weapons. Haven't done a melee build yet, so I didn't notice. Saving that one for when I go for the Platinum trophy.

Dude, people have been saying this stuff to you throughout the whole thread lol. Literally every page has someone explaining to you what makes the game subpar.

[Eapoe]

Wrong. Just because they started developing the game for the last gen consoles does not say anything. Simply because Microsoft and Sony took so f****** goddamn long to release a new generation. Because before the Ps4/xbox one they released consoles in a much faster rhythm. Cyberpunk was meaned to be released around 2020, so they thought that a new generation from consoles get out far before that.

But instead adding a new generation, ms and sony did go the stupid way, released a rehased version of the original console (ps4 pro/xbox one x) with the promise that this is for 4k only and that every game will run on all consoles. So yes, it was meaned to be released on all consoles, that's something you are right, but you are wrong about the premise that they thought when they developed the game that the new generation will be already out when the game gets released.

I never stated anything about new gen consoles. I stated that the game was marketed and previewed and meant for last gen consoles, from what everyone has been stating. With how long ago the game was advertised supporting those people’s claims it becomes hard to refute that.
Now, if they wanted to scrap last gen consoles due to hardware limitations that is one thing, but to advertise the entire production cycle as to be compatible and released with last gen and then release it as a barely playable mess is reputation ruining. It also shows that it’s not the sole fault of Microsoft or Sony for the game being pushed out in this state.