Warrior always does bad dps at the begging of an expac(comparatively, with low gear). I remember people were writing off arms as trash tier even 8.3, until they got gear and some corruptions and saw it is actually very strong with gear.
Warrior always does bad dps at the begging of an expac(comparatively, with low gear). I remember people were writing off arms as trash tier even 8.3, until they got gear and some corruptions and saw it is actually very strong with gear.
All of the data I used in the post you just quoted was from the 90th percentile, the exact same 90th percentile you linked in post #70, hence my saying you provided the data.
Same goes for your notion of what's important.your notion of what is trivial is about as important as navel lint.
Ret is literally behind arms in your second link right now... Did you even look at it?Even now ret's ahead in both mythic as heroic raids
Heroic:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...0&difficulty=4
Mythic:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st.../26#dataset=90
You're just making a fool of yourself now.
Last edited by Schattenlied; 2020-12-21 at 06:19 PM.
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
A lot of arguing over scraps in this thread, it's pointless. Warriors in PVE were shit last week and they are shit this week, but it won't get fixed now until after the world first and maybe not until 9.1.
The "Warriors scale" myth is alive and well I see.
Warrior has started lots of expansions and/or tiers as a top dps and has either remained or been dropped either through nerfs, lack of scaling or both. That includes Warrior being a top spec in the first raid of every expansion going back over a decade. Even in Highmaul where Arms/Fury got nerfed into the ground on the Beta you still had Gladiator Warriors topping the meters and then after Arms/Fury were fixed Arms especially was topping meters in Highmaul prior to Blackrock Foundry. it started that expansion extremely strong and ended HFC as a class that could only compete on cleave/aoe, because burst scaling classes always win.
Warrior in SL doesn't have good scaling mechanics, there is not a lot of synergy right now. Even in 8.3 with good scaling synergy (haste + TOM) Warriors got outscaled by mages and locks, if you look at the logs Warriors have more top 10 overall showings in 8.0 than in 8.3. So can we drop the myth that Warriors start an expansion bad and get good? That's pretty much never been the case.
Last edited by Bigbazz; 2020-12-21 at 06:23 PM.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
You do know this changes continually, do you? If you click on the 95th or even 99th percentile, warriors are behind again. Do I need to screen-shot as proof so "I don't look like a fool"? haha
Christ, you'd think someone participating in a discussion about performance would know how to read parses. In stead you're busy defending a point that wasn't valid to begin with because my example was pre-buff; a detail you conveniently keep ignoring, for obvious reasons.
Look, you're obviously fine with your ignorance. Keep it, embrace it but stop bothering us with it.
Last edited by nocturnus; 2020-12-21 at 08:11 PM.
success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
This just means you have a weird raid comp, raid 2-2-6/7 or your other dpsers are just bad. Maybe you can blast bosses crazy fast so that condemn windows are a bigger part of the fight and there is less downtime but I doubt it. On our nm and hc clears I was chilling with 90-95 parses being at best middle of the pack with classes like uh dk, affliction warlock, bala druid and mm hunter doing more dps with 60+ parses.
S.H.
Yes, I do, it's almost as if the difference between Ret and Arms is less than the amount of variance from one good player to the next and is therefore statistically irrelevant.
Yes, one would think that, but unfortunately, you don't seem to know how to read them at all.Christ, you'd think someone participating in a discussion about performance would know how to read parses.
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
What M+ level? The single target is passable at best and mediocre compared to the strong specs. The AOE is "ok" but nowhere close to MM hunters for example.. The dude I play in dungeons with was bursting 26kdps on AOE packs like 2 weeks ago in Halls of Atonement, Arms just does not compete with that no matter what you do. Arms only really shines on cleave, which is really no surprise because a chunk of the damage it does on larger AOE packs via Sweeping Strikes it's still dealing with lower targets.
Get equally skilled and equally geared players and you see roughly where Arms falls in the bigger picture, the middle pack and that's including the cleave/aoe and feels a lot worse when you consider the huge gap between the top and bottom specs.
Just take a look at the stats for Mythic Hungering Destroyer. Of course these stats graphs don't always tell the full picture, but you don't need to look far to see that people aren't enjoying Arms ST performance.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
To be fair, this is a turret ranged DPS's dream fight, and sucks balls for melee (like most of CN). Sludgefist has an even worse disparity between the two roles, even in Heroic Warriors are absolutely shit at that fight and the only melees that aren't awful are those with strong burst and/or DoTs.
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