2020-2021 NFL Thread

[ProphetFlume]

Rams losing to the jets would be a pretty rams thing.

The browns are weird but the rams are perplexing. I have no idea what that team is week to week.

It’s not even about playing down to their opponents, some weeks they just don’t exist.

[Gestopft]

...and the Jets are no longer the first pick at the moment. Might not work out well for them, but I guess congratulations are in order for officially not going 0-16?

And that they beat the Rams...lol. Although, this now the Seahawks are in position for a harder Wild-Card weekend matchup, so...

[Zeek Daniels]

Lol theres a senario in the NFC east were every team could go 6-10 other than the eagles who would go 5-10-1. Please please let that senario come true.

[ProphetFlume]

Mayfield is having himself a December: 19/21 202 yards and 2 tds tonight

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Mayfield is having himself a December: 19/21 202 yards and 2 tds tonight

He's ensuring Kitchens never coaches in the NFL again is what he's doing. He looks like Rookie Mayfield again.

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https://twitter.com/Michael_Fabiano/...57984423919620

Ah 2020 in the NFL. For the record they'd be the first NFL team to go 1-15 and lose the #1 overall pick on tiebreaking procedures. The only other 1-15 team to not get the #1 overall pick was the 2001 Panthers, who lost it to the 2002 Expansion Team Texans.

[ifrah]

He's ensuring Kitchens never coaches in the NFL again is what he's doing. He looks like Rookie Mayfield again.

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https://twitter.com/Michael_Fabiano/...57984423919620

Ah 2020 in the NFL. For the record they'd be the first NFL team to go 1-15 and lose the #1 overall pick on tiebreaking procedures. The only other 1-15 team to not get the #1 overall pick was the 2001 Panthers, who lost it to the 2002 Expansion Team Texans.

Adam Gase probably won't need Darnold or anyone else out there to throw any sort of performance to keep him off the NFL sidelines for good. Humanity will thank later.

[ProphetFlume]

So I don’t watch college, is Trevor actually good or like Manziel good? There’s probably some in between.

[Grube]

So I don’t watch college, is Trevor actually good or like Manziel good? There’s probably some in between.

He is this years "generational talent" QB that plays for a team with far superior talent to everyone he goes against and throws to wide open receivers. Who knows how he will end up in the NFL, that is always a crapshoot.

[Breccia]

#2 is a monster. I feel bad for Wentz though, he definitely got the raw end of the deal this past offseason. I hope he ends up with Indy or the Niners and balls out.

I have mixed feelings about Wentz. He set all kinds of franchise records, helped the Eagles get to their first Super Bowl ever ever, and I don't like saying "it's your fault you got hurt". But his record in 2020 is...well, 2020-ish, and he's the one thinking of fleeing the team rather than play backup.

Tough call. Yesterday's game was pretty good, though.

[downnola]

I have mixed feelings about Wentz. He set all kinds of franchise records, helped the Eagles get to their first Super Bowl ever ever, and I don't like saying "it's your fault you got hurt". But his record in 2020 is...well, 2020-ish, and he's the one thinking of fleeing the team rather than play backup.

Tough call. Yesterday's game was pretty good, though.

I honestly wouldn't want to pay him 100+ million to play backup. They're already in cap hell and I'd rather them just rip the band-aid off and give Wentz a chance to start somewhere else. Trading him in the offseason means they'd have to eat a 25 million dollar cap hit for 2021 but it would give them more room to maneuver in 2022. The Eagles are going to have to rebuild in 2023 anyway, why not just get it over with and get a year head start on it?

Don't get me wrong, I love Wentz, but I think there's a reason they've had slow starts every season since 2017. It's not a coincidence that the Eagles have played better the past couple seasons when he wasn't there. It's not all on Wentz (an offensive line in shambles gets you sacked 50 times in 12 games for sure) but I do think his lack of trust in his receivers and Doug's play calling is a major reason why. Foles and Hurts seemed to buy in to what Doug is trying to do and it shows. Both the Eagles and Wentz would be better off if they went separate ways. The Eagles rebuild around a kid with a mountain of potential and heart, and a team like Indy gets a clutch player who makes magic outside of the pocket. Win/win if you ask me.

I also think Hurts just fits the Eagles offensive RPO scheme better than Wentz. I think Wentz is more of a natural PA bootleg player. I think he'd excel in an offense like the Rams or Niners as well.

[Logwyn]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1340767569112928261?s=19

Christ, you could fit a stack of index cards in there. Absolute robbery.

Was also a bad spot, to begin with as well. Not that I would have expected the Falcons to have driven the field and scored. Things this blatant make you start to wonder certain things.

The officiating was the one thing that turned me away from the NBA. NFL is starting to get that bad.

[ProphetFlume]

It’s funny how often a tackle happens and both guys involved immediately look to the ref in blank expectation because neither know if it’ll get called, or if they even did something illegal based on how vague and result oriented so many are.

I wonder what would happen if you assemble a group of refs and separately show them random plays edited in a way to not spoil whether or not they got a flag and ask them if it should or shouldn’t get one. And not even in a way to try being sneaky, just to see how much consistency there is.

[xskarma]

It’s funny how often a tackle happens and both guys involved immediately look to the ref in blank expectation because neither know if it’ll get called, or if they even did something illegal based on how vague and result oriented so many are.

I wonder what would happen if you assemble a group of refs and separately show them random plays edited in a way to not spoil whether or not they got a flag and ask them if it should or shouldn’t get one. And not even in a way to try being sneaky, just to see how much consistency there is.

Refs with Body Cams. Make it happen NFL. That way we can see what they saw, in real time, at real speed and see if they screwed up or not.

Joking aside, it's....suspicious that many of these refs are like 50 years old. I definitely would not trust myself to make calls they do in real time, and I'm not even 50 yet. NFL needs to either go to a system with younger refs who can call things better or, even better, a fully automatic system with a chip in the ball and more cameras.

I mean, in most industries automating the process makes things cheaper, so I'm pretty sure automating things in the NFL would eventually lead to the same thing AND a better, more just process.

[eschatological]

IDK, refs make mistakes. We had a bullshit OPI called against us Saturday.......but the Broncos had a bullshit DPI called against them too at some point as well.

Bad calls happen, and they usually even out. If we went to a VAR-like system for offsides/false starts I'd literally murder myself. And holding/PI will always be subjective. Turnovers and TDs are already subject to automatic review. You want to apply that to all catches? I don't.


I do agree with the better camera angles, maybe in the yard sticks and...hey, NFL, maybe spring for two more guys per game so yard sticks (with cameras) are on both sides of the field. Pylon cams have been super useful in this regard already, and I don't know how else they could be implemented on the actual field of play, where the yard-line to gain is always variable.

[Grube]

IDK, refs make mistakes. We had a bullshit OPI called against us Saturday.......but the Broncos had a bullshit DPI called against them too at some point as well.

It felt like most penalties were makeup calls for previous missed penalties in that game. They even screwed the Bills on a spot near the end of the game (and somehow didn't win the challenge?) after giving them insanely generous spots earlier. They called a very strange game.

Finding a way to make spotting the ball remove the human element is the main thing the NFL should do. It would even speed up the game so there isn't 84 measurements like the Broncos/Bills game had.

[Pendulous]

There won't be a Pro Bowl this year for obvious reasons, but the rosters were announced https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-reveals...-2021-pro-bowl

Weird to see so many Chiefs defenders. Younghoe Koo getting the nod is a nice redemption story. No idea how Evan Engram got it.

As far as today's game has gone, some really bad offenses going against each other. What the hell even happened to the Steelers anyway? It's not like they've played great teams the past few weeks.

[Brubear]

IDK, refs make mistakes. We had a bullshit OPI called against us Saturday.......but the Broncos had a bullshit DPI called against them too at some point as well.

Bad calls happen, and they usually even out. If we went to a VAR-like system for offsides/false starts I'd literally murder myself. And holding/PI will always be subjective. Turnovers and TDs are already subject to automatic review. You want to apply that to all catches? I don't.


I do agree with the better camera angles, maybe in the yard sticks and...hey, NFL, maybe spring for two more guys per game so yard sticks (with cameras) are on both sides of the field. Pylon cams have been super useful in this regard already, and I don't know how else they could be implemented on the actual field of play, where the yard-line to gain is always variable.

Chain gang on both sides. The chains have a laser/scanner that establishes the line to gain, with these also on both sides of the goal line (and even the uprights if you really want). Then put sensors in the ball (one on each tip, plus around the 4 sides, whatever you need tog et the best coverage of the entire ball). This track when the ball crosses to make it clear when exactly they break the plain. Combine this with camera reviews and now, even in a pile of bodies, they'll know when the ball crosses the goal line or YTG so now they just need to review whether the player was down or not.

It won't get rid of the issues with calling/not calling penalties, but at least scoring reviews and spotting the ball become a lot less controversial.

[Grube]

As far as today's game has gone, some really bad offenses going against each other. What the hell even happened to the Steelers anyway? It's not like they've played great teams the past few weeks.

It is the Steelers. They play to whatever level of football their opponents are capable of playing at.

[Ursus]

So I must have missed something. Can anyone explain to me how that was not a helmet-to-helmet hit on Smith-Schuster? The defender led with the crown of his helmet and made initial contact with Smith-Schuster's facemask.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

There won't be a Pro Bowl this year for obvious reasons, but the rosters were announced https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-reveals...-2021-pro-bowl

Weird to see so many Chiefs defenders. Younghoe Koo getting the nod is a nice redemption story. No idea how Evan Engram got it.

As far as today's game has gone, some really bad offenses going against each other. What the hell even happened to the Steelers anyway? It's not like they've played great teams the past few weeks.

Their offense has been bad all year and the COVID game apparently broke their defense.