Would Naga be Ally or Horde?

[Villager720]

Naga can stay an enemy faction.
Not all the races in the world need to unite under Red or Blue.

[Feanoro]

probably horde. man, night elves are really prejudice against elves that are branch offs. they mocked the blood elves for their addiction (and nightborne by association since this happened at the relevant time) and they mocked the trolls. considering naga are old god evolved elves, they would probably go horde. thinking about it, night elves are a bunch of a-holes.

Oh yeah, they're just assholes. Never mind the magic addiction of the Highborne brought the Legion to Azeroth for the first time. If you can't get over a damn near extinction level event, you're just prejudiced.

[Combatbutler]

Oh yeah, they're just assholes. Never mind the magic addiction of the Highborne brought the Legion to Azeroth for the first time. If you can't get over a damn near extinction level event, you're just prejudiced.

Night elves are assholes, not for the reasons mentioned there but they are as arrogant as the highborne, while pretending to be humble and jeopardized the entire planet after they got rid of the highborne numerous times as well.

[Moonrage]

You really think the Night Elves would allow them back in? These aren't the same as the Shen'dralar highborne. These are the highborne that summoned the Legion into Azeroth, let them kill everything in sight and had no problems with it.

Tyrande was already skeptical about the Nighborne, what makes you think she'll allow the friggin Naga to join Kaldorei society?

[Razion]

There's Highborne history on the Alliance side in terms of Night Elves and Void Elves, and Horde has Nightborne and Blood Elves. While it's true that Vashj was an ally of Illidan - the Naga that sided with Illidan mostly did it for power, although Vashj did it out of loyalty.

The Naga that strive for familial ties are probably fewer and far between because of just how hateful they were of the lower castes -- and since the Horde consists of more higher caste members of old elf lineage in terms of Nightborne and Blood Elves compared to Night Elves who by comparison are mostly commoners it would stand to reason that at least those who lean more towards Azshara would align themselves more to the Horde on the premises of their old hatreds and biases.

The old Night Elf vs Naga conflict is an old one -- tens of thousands of years old, and is more bitter and nuanced than say the Goblin rivalry with the Naga which certainly hasn't been reinforced much over the years. So, again, it seems like even in terms of conflict they would hate the Alliance more to me it seems.

Even if we're going to look at recent events, Azshara ultimately fought against the Void even if she sided with it temporarily so the Void Elves may not even be that much of a well-received ally as would have been the case before N'zoth.

[Feanoro]

Night elves are assholes, not for the reasons mentioned there but they are as arrogant as the highborne, while pretending to be humble and jeopardized the entire planet after they got rid of the highborne numerous times as well.

Interesting take. What events are you referring to after the Highborne banishment? No sarcasm here.

[Combatbutler]

Interesting take. What events are you referring to after the Highborne banishment? No sarcasm here.

Playing around with druism and in their arrogance believing they could master it, which directly led to the emerald nightmare, which on several occasions threatened the entire planet, or their terraforming attempts that usually end up in spectacular failures, like waking the entirety of the aqir in the process, or believing they were entitled t immortality, ignoring the initial legion invasion in the eastern kingdoms, despite their whole vigil being about protecting the world from the legion.

[Sagenod]

Yes, but since the premise of this thread is that the Naga abandon their megalomaniac tendencies to join one of the two factions, I gave my opinion on it and concluded that they would fit much more in the Alliance, and provided several facts to prove my point. So where is the problem, exactly?

The premise is simply if they were made an allied race. But you missed the point I was trying to convey, which is the fact that the Naga association with the Void was minutely significant compared to their themes of the oceans and storms, arcane magic, racial superiority and zealous devotion to their ancient queen. Why does the Void need to be thrown into that already unique thematic repertoire? Perhaps it would be interesting to add a Void theme to them if they were to join the Horde, since that faction has no overtly Void-themed race. But the Alliance already has the Void Elves and so if the your sole reasoning for them joining the Alliance is because of the Void association, then it becomes apparent that they would be there purely for the sake of being allies of the Void Elves. Meanwhile, the Night Elves would never welcome them back. If they hold no love for the Nightborne, they absolutely hate the Naga.

I am not trying to demean you and you're allowed to have your opinion, but you bring in the Void Elves and/or Alleria into every single thread you reply in. Whether it's a sensible relation or a completely unnecessary shoehorn, you seem to always do the same thing. Forgive me, but it becomes tiresome. Sure, none of my business, but seriously can you talk about anything without bringing Alleria or the Void Elves into it?

[bagina]

Neither, holy cow. Forcing races into factions when they have nothing to do with either Horde or Alliance is so fucking stupid.

You can only do both if you're that desperate for naga. WoW should be straying away from faction exclusive races and focus on neutral ones

[Sagenod]

Playing around with druism and in their arrogance believing they could master it, which directly led to the emerald nightmare, which on several occasions threatened the entire planet, or their terraforming attempts that usually end up in spectacular failures, like waking the entirety of the aqir in the process, or believing they were entitled t immortality, ignoring the initial legion invasion in the eastern kingdoms, despite their whole vigil being about protecting the world from the legion.

The Emerald Nightmare was caused by Xavius, who was a Highborne. The Druids must deal with the Emerald Nightmare because of what happened between him, Sargeras and N'zoth.

[Combatbutler]

The Emerald Nightmare was caused by Xavius, who was a Highborne. The Druids must deal with the Emerald Nightmare because of what happened between him, Sargeras and N'zoth.

The emerald nightmare was created, because the night elves granted the old gods access to the emerald dream, by planting their trees everywhere without knowing the consequences, much like the ancient night elf mages using the well for reckless sorcery.

[darkoms]

Alliance. Queen Azshara is a sworn enemy of the Void, and she proved this in patch 8.3, where she was instrumental in the defeat of the final Old God on Azeroth. She now seeks an even greater level of power.

The Naga, led by Azshara, would thus fit in perfectly with the Ren'dorei, as they are all sworn enemies of the Void, they were all mutated at a biological level by that dark power, and they all seek to attain perfect power and mastery.

The Naga and the Ren'dorei. Their connection is not just an abstract one, related to their ideals and goals. Their connection is also a concrete one. As I said, they were normal elves once, until they were twisted and mutated by the powers of the Void. Their connection is the strongest and most obvious.

As well, since the Ren'dorei are able to revert back to their fair form should they wish to (see Alleria and the Fair-skin options for the Void elf PC), they could potentially teach the Naga how to revert back to their fair forms. And didn't Azshara appear as a normal elf in Azsuna? It certainly seems an ability within their grasp, they just need how to learn it.

Stop. This.

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If the nagas are a new race, they won't be Azshara's nagas, but some faction of Neptulon's worshipers, so obviously the Horde.

[Feanoro]

Playing around with druism and in their arrogance believing they could master it

Then shouldn't Cenarius and Ysera be held responsible? Cenarius chose to teach Malfurion.

which directly led to the emerald nightmare, which on several occasions threatened the entire planet

Do what? That was Yogg's creation.

or their terraforming attempts that usually end up in spectacular failures, like waking the entirety of the aqir in the process

They had no knowledge of the aqir presence, barring a change I don't know about. The goal of making Silithus livable might have been ambitious to the point of arrogance, but I wouldn't agree that it was a bad concept.

or believing they were entitled t immortality

Staghelm got the raid boss treatment.

ignoring the initial legion invasion in the eastern kingdoms, despite their whole vigil being about protecting the world from the legion.

That falls under Doylist writer sloppiness, honestly. They were revealed after the invasion for the flow and intentions of the game, so writers coming along later and trying to blame them is a bit ridiculous.

[Sageofthe10paths]

Horde, because the Night Elves hate Azshara and can never trust her.

[Shaqthefat]

Alliance. Queen Azshara is a sworn enemy of the Void, and she proved this in patch 8.3, where she was instrumental in the defeat of the final Old God on Azeroth. She now seeks an even greater level of power.

The Naga, led by Azshara, would thus fit in perfectly with the Ren'dorei, as they are all sworn enemies of the Void, they were all mutated at a biological level by that dark power, and they all seek to attain perfect power and mastery.

The Naga and the Ren'dorei. Their connection is not just an abstract one, related to their ideals and goals. Their connection is also a concrete one. As I said, they were normal elves once, until they were twisted and mutated by the powers of the Void. Their connection is the strongest and most obvious.

As well, since the Ren'dorei are able to revert back to their fair form should they wish to (see Alleria and the Fair-skin options for the Void elf PC), they could potentially teach the Naga how to revert back to their fair forms. And didn't Azshara appear as a normal elf in Azsuna? It certainly seems an ability within their grasp, they just need how to learn it.

Azshara isn't a sworn enemy of the void. If anything she is a sworn enemy of what she isn't ruling over. She'd have done what she did if the forces ruling over her were light, void, fel, arcane, nature, or death.

[Combatbutler]

Then shouldn't Cenarius and Ysera be held responsible? Cenarius chose to teach Malfurion.

They made the decision to use druism that way, so no.

Do what? That was Yogg's creation.

Their recklessness allowed him access

They had no knowledge of the aqir presence, barring a change I don't know about. The goal of making Silithus livable might have been ambitious to the point of arrogance, but I wouldn't agree that it was a bad concept.

Some actually sensed there was something there and they pushed ahead regardless and this whole ordeal did not teach them a thing, they continued efforts to terraform entire regions, which led to massive problems down the line.

Staghelm got the raid boss treatment.

He was not alone and the sentiment did not die with him.

That falls under Doylist writer sloppiness, honestly. They were revealed after the invasion for the flow and intentions of the game, so writers coming along later and trying to blame them is a bit ridiculous.

It is the canon story and as such they get the blame for it, whether it is sensible or not is utterly irrelevant, they knew the legion was involved in the eastern kingdoms and chose to do nothing about it, despite it being their grand mission.

[aceperson]

Oh yeah, they're just assholes. Never mind the magic addiction of the Highborne brought the Legion to Azeroth for the first time. If you can't get over a damn near extinction level event, you're just prejudiced.

so you're best defense to it is a thousands of years old grudge that was done by different people which also only defends one of the three races i mentioned. care to actually provide a defense or you just gonna ramble?

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Interesting take. What events are you referring to after the Highborne banishment? No sarcasm here.

they attacked the orcs on sight instead of talking because they were chopping down some trees. the elves scolded illidan for making another magic fountain but then decided instead of trying to neutralize it, they would use to get immortality again. racist towards nightborne, blood elves, and trolls.

let us not forget their hypocrisy either. lets threaten people with addiction death because some people almost destroyed the world. let's then decide to just let them go make their own nation where we can't watch and control them so they might bring about ANOTHER catastrophe. also when malfurion tried to stop fandral from making another world tree after their first bit of immortality was taken away. then malfurion went into a coma, the tree was made and he just said screw it, lets keep it.

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Then shouldn't Cenarius and Ysera be held responsible? Cenarius chose to teach Malfurion.

Do what? That was Yogg's creation.

They had no knowledge of the aqir presence, barring a change I don't know about. The goal of making Silithus livable might have been ambitious to the point of arrogance, but I wouldn't agree that it was a bad concept.

Staghelm got the raid boss treatment.

That falls under Doylist writer sloppiness, honestly. They were revealed after the invasion for the flow and intentions of the game, so writers coming along later and trying to blame them is a bit ridiculous.

1. and since the night elves had forbidden arcane magic use, they should've killed the blue dragonflight. a tool is a tool. the user of the tool is at fault for its use.
2. the emerald nightmare is actually a creation of malfurion AND yogg. by turning xavius into a tree, malfurion gave xavius a connection to the emerald dream. yogg made contact with xavius and recruited him. yogg gave xavius more power and xavius actually created the nightmare.
3. i agree the night elves can't be held responsible for what happened in silithus. they were trying to make it habitable so people could live there. BUT they can be blamed for STILL continuing these stupid acts in desolace, zangarmarsh, and whatever other areas they think aren't good enough. also, go figure. the worshipers of nature want to change nature for their pleasure.
4. staghelm didn't get raid boss treatment until well AFTER this happened. fandral wanted to make teldrassil, malfurion stopped him, malfurion went into a coma, fandral made the tree anyways while malfurion was away, and every other night elf who knew malfurion said no decided they liked immortality anyways. plus, when malfurion woke up, he just decided to leave it since the tree was already a thing instead of destroying what he deemed unnecessary.
5. have to agree with this one. also, the night elves weren't even near where the initial legion invasion started so they had no knowledge of this invasion anyways.

[Feanoro]

so you're best defense to it is a thousands of years old grudge that was done by different people which also only defends one of the three races i mentioned. care to actually provide a defense or you just gonna ramble?

You're dismissing the War of the Ancients and Sundering as a "grudge" and ignoring that the Highborne who were banished were present for that. Not worth debating if you can't be bothered to even try to do so in good faith.

[munkeyinorbit]

It's pretty easy. It an evil race so it would go to the evil faction. Naga would fight right in with genocide so it would be the horde

[aceperson]

You're dismissing the War of the Ancients and Sundering as a "grudge" and ignoring that the Highborne who were banished were present for that. Not worth debating if you can't be bothered to even try to do so in good faith.

what would you call it? yes, the highborne OF THE TIME nearly destroyed the world. the highborne (now blood elves) of our time weren't the people who did that. you are blaming the descendants of long dead fanatics for something they didn't do. that is a grudge.