Retri viable dps in naxx?

[Vaelorian]

I played a paladin in Vanilla. At the time I barely knew what a damage meter was. Only thing I saw was great numbers flipping about my screen when seal of casino procc'd. I was a beast in PvP. Could outlast almost anyone and could potentially burst any class down in mere seconds, ..... with loads of downtime. So I thought I was great at dps for a time.

But after some "schooling" on dps meters etc... I knew I was dead wrong and was better off playing buff/cleanse/heal bot. Even though I was prime gear for my retri spec. It did not matter really.

In TBC DPS became better for retri paladins. But still not quite there. The discussion about "pure dps and hybrid specs" was a very vivid one. I still think that hybrid specs should be less in DPS/Tank/HPS, but possibly make up for it by buffing something else.

[razorpax]

If you are a geared paladin in naxx and not healing then it’s a waste

[Doffen]

I played a paladin in Vanilla. At the time I barely knew what a damage meter was. Only thing I saw was great numbers flipping about my screen when seal of casino procc'd. I was a beast in PvP. Could outlast almost anyone and could potentially burst any class down in mere seconds, ..... with loads of downtime. So I thought I was great at dps for a time.

But after some "schooling" on dps meters etc... I knew I was dead wrong and was better off playing buff/cleanse/heal bot. Even though I was prime gear for my retri spec. It did not matter really.

In TBC DPS became better for retri paladins. But still not quite there. The discussion about "pure dps and hybrid specs" was a very vivid one. I still think that hybrid specs should be less in DPS/Tank/HPS, but possibly make up for it by buffing something else.

The Vael I knew ran through the hordes of, eh horde and slayed them by the dusin, one swing at a time!

[Super Kami Dende]

play what you want, even as "subpar" dps, you will still clear naxx easily. I raided Naxx as Ret, it was fun.

[arkanon]

play what you want, even as "subpar" dps, you will still clear naxx easily. I raided Naxx as Ret, it was fun.

Yeah people confuse "viable" with "competitive" all the time. Nothin in classic poses any real challenge, by modern standards, and can be cleared by some pretty funky group makeups. Would i want my entire dps team to be ret? no. Would a handful of low tier dps like ret stop us clearing the raid? no, not at all.

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[Twdft]

My guild had a ret pally in vanilla, he was the best damn ooc rezzer on the realm.

[ymirsson]

My guild had a ret pally in vanilla, he was the best damn ooc rezzer on the realm.

Does anyone use OOC rezzer in classic?

[Vaelorian]

The Vael I knew ran through the hordes of, eh horde and slayed them by the dusin, one swing at a time!

(w)reckoning bombing the shit out of them

[Cempa]

So with all the UD mobs there and with tier 2.5 i was wondering if retri actually could be fairly decent dps in naxx?

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...ec=Retribution

I found 32 Paladin DPS who actually killed KT!

[durenas]

I mean, it's bottom tier, but you can do it...

[Echocho]

Not at all

[ifrah]

Does anyone use OOC rezzer in classic?

OOC ressing was patched well before AQ or such were out (late 2005 or so?). Before that, I've heard it indeed was sometimes the duty of the crappiest geared retripala to handle this glorious duty in some guilds. Did it work in all encounters (before the instance wide combat pulses were added), not sure. And of course spam those 40 blesses before the pull.

[anon5123]

things like class balance and such are of course god awful as it is the first iteration of the game before any sort of tweaks or balancing really came into effect.

Retail class balance went way too far in the opposite direction. They balanced things so hard that now everyone is the same and nobody is allowed to be different or special. Every class is just the same shit with different colors and names.

Yeah, vanilla classes are "unbalanced", but at least they're flavorful and have meaningful class identity.

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OOC ressing was patched well before AQ or such were out (late 2005 or so?). Before that, I've heard it indeed was sometimes the duty of the crappiest geared retripala to handle this glorious duty in some guilds. Did it work in all encounters (before the instance wide combat pulses were added), not sure. And of course spam those 40 blesses before the pull.

"stand back and rez" was nerfed pretty early on, yes. Somewhere around patch 1.3 they fixed all bosses to do an instance-wide combat pulse.

...sadly it wasn't until 1.9 (AQ) that paladins got 15 minute blessings.

Funnily enough, you actually DID want a Ret paladin in your raid for early vanilla......because their 31-point talent was Blessing of Kings.

[TJ]

Retail class balance went way too far in the opposite direction. They balanced things so hard that now everyone is the same and nobody is allowed to be different or special. Every class is just the same shit with different colors and names.

Yeah, vanilla classes are "unbalanced", but at least they're flavorful and have meaningful class identity.

Having 2/3 buttons to press isn't something I'd class as identity, personally. Classic is way too basic in that regard and TBC/Wrath are where it really shines, imo.

[Coldfrostzero]

This is all I wanted out of classic, and people were telling me "this time around, we have the maths!" as they flexed their meme builds, and lo and behold... they STILL sucked. Even the absolute highest parsing ret is incredibly far behind even mediocre "good" DPS classes.

TL;DR, ret is trash and will always be trash until wotlk at least. "But seal of blood during TB..." no. It was still garbage.

If you seal twist, ret does competitive DPS in BC. Add in Windfury to the group and if there is a spare Shadow Priest for mana battery it gets even better. Fights with Demons or Undead adds Exorcism to the rotation giving them yet another boost in DPS. Just because you grouped with terrible Ret paladins in BC who didn't learn their class doesn't mean that it can't be played optimally. I was reaching in the top 3 (sometimes top if I got a string of great crit luck) on fights like Leothas when he goes into his Demon form and the split.

[BeepBoo]

The only ret that was even decent or passable was BE rets with seal of blood. That's it. It was all seal of blood. It had nothing to do with L2P. Why do idiots keep saying this? We've seen it with classic revival and it's been proven wrong. Even MORESO now because everyone else actually knows what they're doing. If we ever get a BC, I fully expect a formal apology from you when you also have to eat your words.

[Farora]

Check out esfands stream, hes a lootwhore with every item in the game, but still gets outdpsed by the level 30 summoning alt thats not even inside the instance.

[msdos]

OOC ressing was patched well before AQ or such were out (late 2005 or so?). Before that, I've heard it indeed was sometimes the duty of the crappiest geared retripala to handle this glorious duty in some guilds. Did it work in all encounters (before the instance wide combat pulses were added), not sure. And of course spam those 40 blesses before the pull.

I was OOC rezzer when I first did MC. It's a weird feeling. On one hand you know you've been given the meat packer, rearrange the freezer job, but on the other hand you're surprised you get to roll on loot for basically standing in the back, out of the fight completely lmao.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Retribution did fine DPS in TBC though, at least if you were Horde.

It's not "fine" so much as it is "nice to have" on top of their group buffs. I don't think Ret, even on Horde, broke so much as 50% of the damage of a relevant damage class.

Video relevant to OP's question.

[Festisio]

Check out esfands stream, hes a lootwhore with every item in the game, but still gets outdpsed by the level 30 summoning alt thats not even inside the instance.

A good point, well made.