Shadowlands -- Castle Nathria World First [Megathread]

[Roxinius]

I know that, I just find it fucking pathetic, just like how I find the people claiming Echo have however many hours to claim the "real" world first kill to be pathetic, a first kill is a first kill.

this is whats making me laugh the most

[Barolt]

Why are people arguing over the head start? Did anyone really want that pile of toxicity Echo to win?
The "just reroll in US" argument is still totally obnoxious. It's not because US wins a couple of tiers they suddenly can decide how & where people should play.

Jet made the "reroll in US" argument on Complexity's stream and his basis was his experience as a top tier raider in Limit when they went to London and raided Eternal Palace from there. He said that it was fine for them, and made the point that three members of Limit's kill were raiding from Europe today.

[[Apok]]

I know that, I just find it fucking pathetic, just like how I find the people claiming Echo have however many hours to claim the "real" world first kill to be pathetic, a first kill is a first kill.

They got world first, and props to them but the question is whether or not they would have achieved it with a level playing field.

[Clozer]

They got world first, and props to them but the question is whether or not they would have achieved it with a level playing field.

I think it's best to let them have it. This "race" is over. But we may be able to force Blizzard to change it for the future.

[Snorkles]

Jet made the "reroll in US" argument on Complexity's stream and his basis was his experience as a top tier raider in Limit when they went to London and raided Eternal Palace from there. He said that it was fine for them, and made the point that three members of Limit's kill were raiding from Europe today.

It's going to vary wildly depending on the country. Much like someone playing on the West cost of the USA is probably going to have a rougher time playing on an EU server than someone on the East coast.

[Barolt]

How is this on Limit at all?

How is it "Echo shouldn't be forced to play in NA" but "Limit can't win fair unless they play in EU"?

because that's essentially what you're arguing here. Limit didn't make the rules. They just won.

[Trabsder]

They got world first, and props to them but the question is whether or not they would have achieved it with a level playing field.

There's no question.........Limit won. Echo have an option to level the playing field if they want to take it and ping is no excuse.

[Yarathir]

I think it's best to let them have it. This "race" is over. But we may be able to force Blizzard to change it for the future.

Best you can do is probably officially acknowledge some kind of timer where even if Limit clears it in a certain time, Echo has a few hours to beat it.

[Woobels]

How is this on Limit at all?

How is it "Echo shouldn't be forced to play in NA" but "Limit can't win fair unless they play in EU"?

because that's essentially what you're arguing here. Limit didn't make the rules. They just won.

This has always been the sane argument but you're not gonna that through with these people. The playing field has rules, and has had them for a long time, and the guilds accept those.

[barackohmama]

They got world first, and props to them but the question is whether or not they would have achieved it with a level playing field.

If someone is not okay with he playing field, they can always abstain from playing. Afaik most top guilds, NA EU or Asia acknowledge the guild who kills the boss first also gets world first.

[Clozer]

If someone is not okay with he playing field, they can always abstain from playing. Afaik most top guilds, NA EU or Asia acknowledge the guild who kills the boss first also gets world first.

.. or ask for changes.

[Trabsder]

If someone is not okay with he playing field, they can always abstain from playing.

or take some proactive measures to make it a level playing field......MOVE TO A US SERVER its the only option they have because Blizzard aint moving on the global release issue

[Jayma]

Best you can do is probably officially acknowledge some kind of timer where even if Limit clears it in a certain time, Echo has a few hours to beat it.

That certain time is pretty impossible to determine. Somewhere between 0 and 16 hours that nobody would agree on.

[[Apok]]

If someone is not okay with he playing field, they can always abstain from playing. Afaik most top guilds, NA EU or Asia acknowledge the guild who kills the boss first also gets world first.

Funny how the americans and others get salty when people cheat in order to make a non-level playing field.

But when an uneven one benefits them, it's fine.

[Barolt]

.. or ask for changes.

Ask for changes is fine. But in the meantime, you know the rules.

[barackohmama]

.. or ask for changes.

Or just play better . I mean if EU is so superior a "headstart" shouldnt matter right? Yet last raid Limit won by more than that 16h headstart

[Barolt]

Funny how the americans and others get salty when people cheat in order to make a non-level playing field.

But when an uneven one benefits them, it's fine.

Max literally said on stream he wants a global release. He also said he can't change it.

[Clozer]

That certain time is pretty impossible to determine. Somewhere between 0 and 16 hours that nobody would agree on.

Limit and Echo said multiple times a global release would be amazing. It's up to Blizzard if they wanna make the race better or not.

[[Apok]]

Or just play better . I mean if EU is so superior a "headstart" shouldnt matter right? Yet last raid Limit won by more than that 16h headstart

If the us were any good at sports, it wouldn't matter that the russians were doping, why do they need to be banned from the olympics.

[Clozer]

Or just play better . I mean if EU is so superior a "headstart" shouldnt matter right? Yet last raid Limit won by more than that 16h headstart

I'm not sure what your point is. Who won is meaningless. Some teams start with a huge advantage. That needs to be discussed. But nice try.