This Lawsuit is Why McConnell Will not Pass Covid Relief

[Fincayra]

12 million people are losing unemployment as of today and this is your post... you don’t give a shit...

Actually I do. But there's not much that any of us can do about it, beyond complain about it. All we can do is vote out the fucks that did it to us. The democrats and republicans that took this long to come up with the bill, and the president for refusing to sign it. One of those has already been done though.

[Felya]

The democrats and republicans that took this long to come up with the bill, and the president for refusing to sign it.

It took so long because benefits to American people were being denied. The plan that Trump is refusing to sign, is the very bill that his administration pushed. Blaming both sides, when it’s been very clear who was arguing for more benefits to American people, is a joke. Oh I got it... why didn’t democrats mind control republicans and Trump, to force them to negotiate in good faith?

For democrats to go faster with the bill, what should they have conceded to Trump and/or Republicans, beyond what they already did?

[Zan15]

It took so long because benefits to American people were being denied. The plan that Trump is refusing to sign, is the very bill that his administration pushed. Blaming both sides, when it’s been very clear who was arguing for more benefits to American people, is a joke. Oh I got it... why didn’t democrats mind control republicans and Trump, to force them to negotiate in good faith?

For democrats to go faster with the bill, what should they have conceded to Trump and/or Republicans, beyond what they already did?

They had to basically give a trillion dollars worth of liability insurance to corporations no matter what they did to their employees and customers! Would have cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars in future healthcare cost and disability/SS payments.

They had to cut unemployment to 0.0 extra, for most people.

They had to remove the food stamps bump in benefits. No extra payments for Healthcare covid related expenses. No USPS help, but trillions for corporations making billions.

They had to remove funding help for states and their residents, even though those very residents are the ones paying the federal taxes. Even though the majority of the money per capita would have gone to "red" states not to bail out "poorly run blue states"
Cause god forbid democratically run states get more than a 80 cents for every dollar they pay in like the bottom 35 red states have been getting for decades. some $2-2.50-3.50 for every dollar.

But hey both sides right?

[Xyonai]

They had to basically give a trillion dollars worth of liability insurance to corporations no matter what they did to their employees and customers! Would have cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars in future healthcare cost and disability/SS payments.

They had to cut unemployment to 0.0 extra, for most people.

They had to remove the food stamps bump in benefits. No extra payments for Healthcare covid related expenses. No USPS help, but trillions for corporations making billions.

They had to remove funding help for states and their residents, even though those very residents are the ones paying the federal taxes. Even though the majority of the money per capita would have gone to "red" states not to bail out "poorly run blue states"
Cause god forbid democratically run states get more than a 80 cents for every dollar they pay in like the bottom 35 red states have been getting for decades. some $2-2.50-3.50 for every dollar.

But hey both sides right?

I mean, shit, why bother even paying taxes if the Government isn't going to use that money to support its taxpayers?

...Oh god I'm becoming Libertarian, help me.

[Shadowferal]

I mean, shit, why bother even paying taxes if the Government isn't going to use that money to support its taxpayers? ...Oh god I'm becoming Libertarian, help me.

I had something of a self-dialogue about wasting my money paying into unemployment a while back...and wondered if I too was becoming Libertarian... I felt dirty...had to shower after that.

[Muzjhath]

I mean, shit, why bother even paying taxes if the Government isn't going to use that money to support its taxpayers?

...Oh god I'm becoming Libertarian, help me.

You are not.
You are realizing that the social contract isn't being fullfilled and ought to bring out the gioutine.

[Masark]

You are not.
You are realizing that the social contract isn't being fullfilled and ought to bring out the gioutine.

I prefer pinataism. It's less messy.

[Krakan]

You are not.
You are realizing that the social contract isn't being fullfilled and ought to bring out the gioutine.

I mean the social contract is traditionally just protection but I get it. The social contract is to stop bandits from burning down and looting your home though arguably they failed at that to this year.

[Felya]

I mean the social contract is traditionally just protection but I get it. The social contract is to stop bandits from burning down and looting your home though arguably they failed at that to this year.

There were bandits during the massive California wild fires, that destroyed 1000s of homes?

[Krakan]

There were bandits during the massive California wild fires, that destroyed 1000s of homes?

Nah the blm looters of course.

[Fugus]

Nah the blm looters of course.

The Bureau of Land Management has Looters?

[Felya]

Nah the blm looters of course.

It’s not environmental changes, due to climate change, that are burning 1000s of homes across the world, per year... it’s the looters? What?

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The Bureau of Land Management has Looters?

Did they steal all the raking equipment? Since, that’s Trump’s solutions to towns burning down in wild fires.



My caption: Everything is fine... have you heard of those looters?

[Milchshake]

So, Trump's $2,000 was bait for his position on Section 230 and a voter fraud witch hunt.

Just more dumdum populism. Trump’s veto bargaining strategy on the Omnibus/COVID bill is both a masterclass in how not to use the powers of the POTUS to influence public policy, as well as exemplary of his entire debacle of a legislative presidency.

1. refuse to engage publicly for months.
2. watch a supermajority pass a bill.
3. forcefully threaten to veto it unless demands met.
4. back down and sign it; look weak.

The whole point of electing someone to "shake things up".

What a country!


Take the $600 and let Biden mop up in 3 weeks.

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One party believes the government should help the poor and vulnerable.
One party is basically, Got Mine, Fuck You.

US House passes bill that would increase Covid stimulus payments from $600 to $2,000 by 275-134 vote, needing two-thirds majority to pass.

[PACOX]

$600, or $2000 I'm dropping half on JRP merch and the other half on gifted subs in AOCs twitch channel.

[Xyonai]

Honestly I'm really trying to figure out the GOP Game Plan here.

Running on the idea that even they think that clutching their pearls about the deficit is a bunch of bunk (As evidenced by the last three years of not caring), what's the motivation for fighting so goddamn hard to give American Taxpayers next to nothing after nine months of refusing to do anything? Like even from a 'Well they're beholden to corporations' standpoint it doesn't make sense, because if the Middle and Lower class become poor, they're not funneling money into the economy and domestic profit margins begin to sink. And, even more selfishly, you'd think they'd vote for higher checks to make them not look like heartless monsters to increase their chances of taking the Senate runoffs. And even more selfishly then /that/, if it was about being so fucking petulant that they wouldn't want to approve a popular idea if because Democrats wanted it, you'd think Trump's flippant support of higher payouts would've been enough - if not the outcry from their own base - to shift the 'blame' onto him if they voted to agree to a higher payment?

Like the only thing I can think of is that they're specifically engineering an economic crisis so they can blame the ensuing crash on Biden's admin (which their propaganda arm will gleefully do) and then take back power in 2022.

[Flower Milk]

Please make sure to thank Bernie Sanders for this instead of constantly shitting on him, moderates.



https://prospect.org/politics/democr...ers-mcconnell/

[Omega10]

Please make sure to thank Bernie Sanders for this instead of constantly shitting on him, moderates.



https://prospect.org/politics/democr...ers-mcconnell/

Sometimes I think that if Sanders were the nominee instead of Biden, then:

Defund the Police would mean no longer pay the salary of cops that delight in brutalizing blacks, which is the original intent of the phrase in the first place, and the process of Defunding the racist Police officers would be already happening.

Socialism would be properly applied with the American definition of the word, which means any program that funnels money to middle class, working class, or poor Americans, and would be considered acceptable by enough Americans that a proper stimulus package that benefits non-millionaires would already be written and ready for Pelosi and Schumer to introduce on January 21.

[Flower Milk]

Sometimes I think that if Sanders were the nominee instead of Biden, then:

Defund the Police would mean no longer pay the salary of cops that delight in brutalizing blacks, which is the original intent of the phrase in the first place, and the process of Defunding the racist Police officers would be already happening.

Socialism would be properly applied with the American definition of the word, which means any program that funnels money to middle class, working class, or poor Americans, and would be considered acceptable by enough Americans that a proper stimulus package that benefits non-millionaires would already be written and ready for Pelosi and Schumer to introduce on January 21.

Much of Bernie Sanders' proposed policies for his campaign were done by executive order, so he didn't even need Pelosi/Schumer to agree to them. He had a day one plan to make marijuana legal through executive order by rescheduling it, and cancel all federal student debt. We wouldn't even have to be worrying about the Georgia runoffs, Senate races, or the midterms, because he'd actually be using executive action to get real, actual progress done.

Now we're gonna watch Biden pretend like he can't do anything at all after 4 years of watching Trump just do whatever he wanted through executive order. Gimme a fucking break.

[gaymer77]

I already knew Tyson chicken was garbage, but this further clenches the fact that I will never ever buy their chicken. In fact, I'm going to be extremely sad if this whole mess doesn't topple Tyson. They need to be disbanded and torn apart. Fuck the economic consequences, this is just fucking toxic.

I normally don't buy Tyson because their raw meat is over priced along with Foster Farms and their nuggets & the such are not that much better than other off-brands I can get. Hell I actually prefer the dinosaur chicken nuggets for plain chicken nuggets. They're usually the cheapest ones in the store per ounce and decent tasting lol.

Here's other brands Tyson owns
https://www.tysonfoods.com/our-brands

OK so THIS really upsets me because after reading this article the OP posted I planned on never buying anything Tyson brand again. This is going to prove difficult because my breakfast every day is the Jimmy Dean sausage, egg, and cheese muffin since most other stuff upsets my stomach after I had my bypass. I guess I can start buying store brand ones instead but Jesus H Christ that's going to be difficult because several times since the pandemic hit all brands of those muffin sandwiches have been scarce lol

[Omega10]

Much of Bernie Sanders' proposed policies for his campaign were done by executive order, so he didn't even need Pelosi/Schumer to agree to them. He had a day one plan to make marijuana legal through executive order by rescheduling it, and cancel all federal student debt. We wouldn't even have to be worrying about the Georgia runoffs, Senate races, or the midterms, because he'd actually be using executive action to get real, actual progress done.

Now we're gonna watch Biden pretend like he can't do anything at all after 4 years of watching Trump just do whatever he wanted through executive order. Gimme a fucking break.

I agree with this quote from up above:

Like the only thing I can think of is that they're specifically engineering an economic crisis so they can blame the ensuing crash on Biden's admin (which their propaganda arm will gleefully do) and then take back power in 2022.

If democrats are going to avoid a blood bath in 2022, they are going to need to demonstrate some positive results in 2021. As Cubby pointed out, overcoming the virus is expected and won't even really count as an accomplishment <which really sucks and is unfair, but that's reality>.

Fixing the economy, which Cubby has identified as Biden's number 1 priority, really will mean putting some major amounts of money into the pockets of middle class, working class, and poor Americans, including Trump supporters. There is no economic mathematical way around that.

Hopefully one of two things happens: a sufficient amount of money is sent out, and the money does a decent job of stabilizing the American economy

OR

If republicans are able to keep it from happening, which would really suck, it is because they had to fight hard to stop it, the fault is clearly on them for the bad things happening, and republicans basically disappear in 2022.

The $2k payments that Sanders presumably will be pushing for moves the country exactly in the right direction. Hopefully Biden and Sanders are coordinating for maximum political mileage for democrats, with maximum odds of success, and with a campaign to "talk the talk" afterwards so that democrats also politically win the discussions after the actions happen.