There's no room for PoE-like games

[Amsden]

"PoE-like game"? Wouldn't PoE be a "Diablo-like" game? I think we can squeeze in another ARPG always room for more, seeing as I don't really like PoE I'm willing to see if Blizzard can redeem themselves.

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Well there are 2 different competing styles of RPG:

1. ARPG: Fast-paced, mobs die in a few hits, you have 2-5 abilities, you kill lots of things at once and the fun is in macro.
2. MMO: Slow-paced, you fight 1 mob at a time, it might take 30 seconds to 1 minute to kill them, you have 15-20 abilities / rotations / priority systems and the fun is in micro.

The trouble for Blizz is they have blurred the lines in WoW. WoW started out as slow-paced, but in new game modes like IEs or Visions, you actually group up lots of enemies and AoE them down like an ARPG. Even in 5 man dungeons, there is a lot of AoE similar to ARPG play. That's fine, but if WoW is now an ARPGMMO, why continue with the Diablo series at all?

There are many more styles of RPG than 2... and that's not what MMO means...

[Zyky]

I don't think there is room PoE-like games (hack and slash). Chaosbane wasn't that succesful and D3 was also fail. Can't see how D4 is going to success.

Considering PoE wasn't the first hack and slash, you can't call them PoE-like games.

[blankfaced]

PoE's terrible combat is enough to keep anyone away from it.

[javierdsv]

Lol, seeing this thread after Hades is nominated for Game of the Year.

[dryla1]

I don't get this glorification of PoE. The graphics are janky, performance abysmal, crashes galore first week after patch, literally treadmill with no way out 3-4 days into the season. All viable builds end up with the same playstyle "press this button and whole screen of monsters die". The gearing path of trading for most useful pieces is strange af in what is essentially a single player game.

There is room for SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT upon PoE. Some systems are good, but in my eyes, the game as a whole is not even close to being this god-game people talk like it is.

I will explain you as someone who has no lifed heist, it is the itemization and the fact that the game is a giant casino, it is not at all the gameplay or anything else.
Most builds and a lot of skills are useless, some boss fights are from bad to pathetic, BUT the casino is very well designed, you can even get amazing loot before hitting level 1, and that is the main appeal.
That said this is no god like game, it is not free to play if you want to do the end game, and it does not have for sure millions of people playing it.

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PoE's terrible combat is enough to keep anyone away from it.

Terrible combat did not keep people away from the witcher 3, and besides poe combat it is not the best but it is not that bad.
The game engine and some boss fights are terrible though.

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Considering PoE wasn't the first hack and slash, you can't call them PoE-like games.

Well i am old enough to have played diablo when it was released, and all the diablo like clones that came after the original, and although there are a lot of similarities the truth is that poe has some unique features that would make me talk of diablo like games and poe like games as different sub genres of the Arpg world.
Sometimes i think that poe is nowadays more like a single player wow than a diablo game.

[themortalgod]

I don't think there is room PoE-like games (hack and slash). Chaosbane wasn't that succesful and D3 was also fail. Can't see how D4 is going to success.

Note sure if it has been brought up in the pages of replies but I think it is important to point out that D3 *wasn't* a failure. Whether you personally like how the game turned out or not is a completely different discussion but both D3 and RoS broke sales records. (If D3 was a true failure, it may have sold well initially but the expac wouldn't have) From Blizzard's point of view, it was a successful game. This is why D4 exists and is being developed.

Also PoE is on version 3 with an active playerbase.

I think there is absolutely room for hack and slash based on the simple evidence that hack and slash games have a community and active player base right now.

[dryla1]

Note sure if it has been brought up in the pages of replies but I think it is important to point out that D3 *wasn't* a failure. Whether you personally like how the game turned out or not is a completely different discussion but both D3 and RoS broke sales records. (If D3 was a true failure, it may have sold well initially but the expac wouldn't have) From Blizzard's point of view, it was a successful game. This is why D4 exists and is being developed.

Also PoE is on version 3 with an active playerbase.

I think there is absolutely room for hack and slash based on the simple evidence that hack and slash games have a community and active player base right now.

If diablo 3 is a failure with the sales it got, i need someone to explain me then how does any game company survive

[themortalgod]

If diablo 3 is a failure with the sales it got, i need someone to explain me then how does any game company survive

Exactly. I could see the argument if D3 sold a ton, but then the playerbase quickly fell off and RoS was a failure. But it wasn't, RoS sold like crazy which means there was a TON of players who LOVED D3 in spite of what the vocal online D2 purist community likes to think.

Personally, I felt D3 at launch was rough. It was a beautiful game but had some major flaws. I loved RoS though, I think it fixed many of D3's flaws and made the game really fun. I grew up on Diablo and played a ton of D2 during its peak but I really do feel RoS is the strongest Diablo experience to date. I have adored every game in the Diablo franchise and I am not alone which is why sales numbers are so good. (In contrast to say Starcraft which had a declining growth pattern in terms of expac sales which is probably why we haven't heard any news about if there will be a Starcraft 3)

[l33t]

Dunno. I love the genre, but poe never appealed to me. Systems are too complicated, you know. You always have to collect garbage, like six linked colors, or whites with five or more linked sockets. Replacing a well-rolled item is such a huge pain in the ass because most of the time you lost your skill setup because of sockets. You have to download and setup a loot filter because otherways you are lost in useless drops and fail to recognise useable things. Etc, etc. PoE's creativity in new seasons features is awesome, but other than that, the game is terrible, and it fails the main motto of hack-and-slash - quick in, quick out, action filled gameplay with loot hunting. Instead you get "read a fuckton of manuals; fail to levelup without some huge internet guide to follow; keep a giant list of gatherables in your head; break your mind trying to cope with basic game mechanics" game.
Compare that to diablo 2, and you'll understand why this kind of games isn't called "poe-like".

Also: Grim Dawn is awesome. Wolcen is great. Warhammer 40000: Inquisitor - Martyr is super freaking cool! Not to mention diablo 3, the quickest of them all.
Lots of people buy action rpg, lots of people play it and have fun playing. Its just that some games are shit

[Orby]

If you are going to gate keep an entire genre of video game then of course you would think that. I noticed that a lot about PoE fans they are so scared that another game of the same genre is going to move in on their space they get super defensive.

The way I see it is there is never enough room for hack and slash looter games like Diablo, or PoE, or Torchlight. In fact I would go so far to say more is needed.

Also calling a Diablo 3 a failure? It was a success, a bad launch doesn't equate to failure. Of course the game wasnt as great as Diablo 2 in my opinion but the expansion for Diablo 3 did improve a lot of Diablo 3's main game issues, that's if you stuck around that long, like I did, to find that out :P

also speaking of horrible launches in that genre, Wolcen wasnt half bad either lol.

Also I am awaiting for Project TL.. That game has been in development hell for too bloody long :P

[chrisnumbers]

There's no room for POE with D3 still around. Diablo will always rule the ARPG universe.

[Kikazz]

I guess it's good that its Blizzards bucks that are on the line and not yours. Didn't D3 sell a ridiculous amount of copies, and sure it got off to a rough start, but they did actually fix and improve the game. The Diablo fan base seems quite large, and quite hungry for a new game.

it was also the most refunded blizzard game to date.

[Stickiler]

You have to download and setup a loot filter because otherways you are lost in useless drops and fail to recognise useable things.

I honestly believe this is why Diablo 3 RoS was such an insane success. They overhauled the loot system and completely changed up how loot drops, which meant every thing that dropped was interesting and worth looking at(until you got to the really niche, far endgame build fleshing out), which meant that casual players could just roll in and start farming, and didn't get swamped with garbage.

[Mysterymask]

it was also the most refunded blizzard game to date.

..in a world of volitale Wow fans and Warcraft 3 Reforged existing I am going to say that's a lie

[Dread Pirate Phayde]

it was also the most refunded blizzard game to date.

Pretty sure WC3:Reforged refunds blew any D3 ones out of the water. And if it was refunded that much, they probably would have scrapped RoS.

[EyelessCrow]

it was also the most refunded blizzard game to date.

Rofl and by what metric do you base that on?


Anyway, I've lost interest in PoE, I feel like they have jumped the shark with all the systems in their game. You need to purchase tabs upon tabs upon tabs to keep any of it remotely organized and stacked.

[shank687]

it was also the most refunded blizzard game to date.

Why are you just making shit up? Show me one source that backs up what you said, otherwise explain why you are pulling facts out of your ass for no reason.

[Lurker1]

How? Many have tried but failed.

Thank god because imho Poe sucked.

[DeltrusDisc]

Thank god because imho Poe sucked.

When was the last time you tried it?
PoE has come a LONG way from where it was at launch and even several years later.
Ever since they added Lockstep, the game has become a very smooth experience, whereas in its earlier days, it was rather jumpy.

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I'm normally not that big on graphics/performance but it is a dealbreaker for me in PoE. Combat feels very clunky compared to the smooth experience of D3 (and PoE is a pain to get into to begin with, it's just so complex). It's a shame really, PoE is probably the best game I never really got into.

I think there's room for a game that has that smooth combat flow but it will need depth behind that gameplay or it will die quick.

When did you last try PoE? It isn't nearly as clunky as it used to be.

[Biggles Worth]

I don't think there is room PoE-like games (hack and slash). Chaosbane wasn't that succesful and D3 was also fail. Can't see how D4 is going to success.

PoE is trash so maybe you're right.