This Lawsuit is Why McConnell Will not Pass Covid Relief

[Paranoid Android]

The reason why he is blocking it, instead of voting it down, is to protect GA. It lets Loaffer and Perdue claim they support it, without voting on it.

My goodness let's hope enough people are smart enough to realize this time that vote for the R's keeps the Turtle in power.

In one of those amazing jobs of Republican projection of always campaigning say elect me to keep Pelosi or Schumer out of power. Always a tad stupid when you should be elected to legislate, but this is the Republicans we are talking about.

So yeah, the strategy should work here and maybe it is a good strategy that more Dems should have used it their Senate runs. Pelosi and Schumer are house cats. McConnell IS dangerous to our democracy.

[Flower Milk]

Doing what, exactly?

Talking about the $2k stimulus, and tying back the Georgia runoffs to it.

So far Biden has negotiated the stimulus down to $600, and when asked about his support for the $2k stimulus all we got from him is a "yes" and that's it.

Wow, thanks Joe. Somehow he has the power as president-elect to negotiate some measly $600 checks for us, but as soon as there's a shot at $2k checks he's basically silent and everyone says "well he's not sworn in yet he's totally powerless guys".

It honestly feels like he's staying quiet because he wants to be on Mitch's good side and he feels like he can work with Republicans, which is EXACTLY what he said he would do during the primaries.

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday defended his calls for unity, answering criticism of his moderate approach from 2020 Democratic rivals by insisting bipartisan cooperation is the only way to avoid being governed by “wacko executive orders” from President Donald Trump.

“I’m not talking about going back to the past. I’m talking about avoiding a terrible future if we do not figure out how to make this work,” he said during a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

Biden’s predictions that Trump’s presidency will be viewed historically as an “aberration” and that the GOP will have an “epiphany” and become willing to work with Democrats once Trump leaves the Oval Office have drawn the ire of progressive activists who fear that by advocating a return to normalcy, Biden is ignoring systemic challenges that pre-date Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/polit...und/index.html

[Edge-]

Talking about the $2k stimulus, and tying back the Georgia runoffs to it.

It's already the topic dominating the news, what does him talking about it do?

So far Biden has negotiated the stimulus down to $600, and when asked about his support for the $2k stimulus all we got from him is a "yes" and that's it.

Biden has had no involvement in the negotiations as he is a private citizen and not an elected representative. At least he remains that way until January 20.

Wow, thanks Joe. Somehow he has the power as president-elect to negotiate some measly $600 checks for us, but as soon as there's a shot at $2k checks he's basically silent and everyone says "well he's not sworn in yet he's totally powerless guys".

You're the only person that thinks he has this power, apparently. Everyone else seems pretty clear on the powers and authority of the president-elect, which are that he doesn't actually have any of either.

[Flower Milk]

Biden has had no involvement in the negotiations as he is a private citizen and not an elected representative. At least he remains that way until January 20.

Inform yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/u...il&login=email

Mr. Biden on Sunday applauded the willingness of lawmakers to “reach across the aisle” and called the effort a “model for the challenging work ahead for our nation.” He was also not an idle bystander in the negotiations.

With Republican and Democratic leaders in the House and Senate far apart on how much they were willing to accept in new pandemic spending, Mr. Biden on Dec. 2 threw his support behind the $900 billion plan being pushed by the centrist group. The total was less than half of the $2 trillion that Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York, had been insisting on.

That was the bill with $600 checks, instead of the bill with $2k checks progressives were pushing for.

The president-elect is just outright saying "we need to work with Republicans" and negotiating less stimulus and you're defending this shit.

[Poopymonster]

While his home state Kentucky is one of the worst hit economically and his constituents desperately need the help. Sadly those people are so fucking inebriated on the Republican kool-aid they will never go against Republicans even as they take the last scrap of food off their plates. Hence why they keep voting for the Russian turtle and Rand Paul over and over again.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-...130940444.html

Granted, in KY, 600 dollars means you're well off for a while. You might even be able to get your sister Keystone Light AND Flaming Hot Cheetos on your date with that kind of money.

[Paranoid Android]

McConnell's play -->

(1) Gives Trump what he asked for.

(2) Ensures that none of it will become law. (Can't pass senate. House is done.)

(3) Urges Trump not to let the door hit him on the way out.

https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/sta...906034186?s=19

Wow! This is the truth. Ha, funny that McConnell is playing Trump's stupidity by making him happy with Section 230 and voter fraud. Since Trump is a moron asking for one thing that does not have anything to do with the other.

UNLESS....

This is Trump's plan along, playing 10th dimensional chess. Boom!

[Calfredd]

Inform yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/u...il&login=email


That was the bill with $600 checks, instead of the bill with $2k checks progressives were pushing for.

The president-elect is just outright saying "we need to work with Republicans" and negotiating less stimulus and you're defending this shit.

You're the one forcing high standards on yourself and then getting mad when the people don't act according to those standards. It's like a guy trying to pretend to be a fan of a sports team but he acts too hard at it and everyone understands he doesn't actually care, just pretending to care.

[PACOX]

You see the reason why Biden isn't pushing for $2k checks is due phrasing. "COVID19 Economic Relief" is just a bad slogan that Republicans won't like very much, we just can't have that now can we? Now I know people are starving and dying but what's important is the messaging. Through
nonconfrontational messaging and distancing ourselves from the Radical Left we can warm the hearts of the Republicans. I'm sure they will finally come around, this time. If not then surely the same tactic will work next time.

[Flower Milk]

You see the reason why Biden isn't pushing for $2k checks is due phrasing. "COVID19 Economic Relief" is just a bad slogan that Republicans won't like very much, we just can't have that now can we? Now I know people are starving and dying but what's important is the messaging. Through
nonconfrontational messaging and distancing ourselves from the Radical Left we can warm the hearts of the Republicans. I'm sure they will finally come around, this time. If not then surely the same tactic will work next time.

And ugh fuck Mitch McConnell and those Republican ghouls, they're the worst! But Joe Biden says all the time that we need to unify and work with them and I totally agree guys, we need to restore the soul of this nation!

[Fugus]

And ugh fuck Mitch McConnell and those Republican ghouls, they're the worst! But Joe Biden says all the time that we need to unify and work with them and I totally agree guys, we need to restore the soul of this nation!

Not saying what Biden will or won't do in the future or anything like that, but I can see a good reason for his approach and rhetoric in the present. If he goes on the offensive NOW, he gives them ammunition to help drive Republican turnout even more in the special election. If he comes out like that now, he could potentially shoot himself in the foot in a way that hinders his entire administration heavily for years and gives McConnell a huge win.

With things the way they are, he has a chance of taking the Senate from Moscow Mitch at which point they can actually push for stuff. So we can't really say for sure which way that will go. Remember this is Georgia we are talking about here, so not wanting to give the Republicans any legit ammo to include with their lies.

[Flower Milk]

Not saying what Biden will or won't do in the future or anything like that, but I can see a good reason for his approach and rhetoric in the present. If he goes on the offensive NOW, he gives them ammunition to help drive Republican turnout even more in the special election. If he comes out like that now, he could potentially shoot himself in the foot in a way that hinders his entire administration heavily for years and gives McConnell a huge win.

With things the way they are, he has a chance of taking the Senate from Moscow Mitch at which point they can actually push for stuff. So we can't really say for sure which way that will go. Remember this is Georgia we are talking about here, so not wanting to give the Republicans any legit ammo to include with their lies.

This is a pandemic and the American economy has crashed, while people are homeless, starving, and food bank lines are miles long.

Maybe trying to fight for more relief money to help people is the way to go to win elections. Even the Republicans in Georgia have signed onto the $2k stimulus checks, Joe Biden should be spending every minute in front of a camera hammering how we need to pass them and Mitch McConnell/Republicans controlling the Senate are standing in our way.

Instead he said "yes" he supports the $2k checks and continues to call for holding hands and singing kumbaya with Republicans. Surely this is how you win elections, by painting your opponents as just friendly colleagues who are totally fine.

[Edge-]

This is a pandemic and the American economy has crashed, while people are homeless, starving, and food bank lines are miles long.

Maybe trying to fight for more relief money to help people is the way to go to win elections. Even the Republicans in Georgia have signed onto the $2k stimulus checks, Joe Biden should be spending every minute in front of a camera hammering how we need to pass them and Mitch McConnell/Republicans controlling the Senate are standing in our way.

Instead he said "yes" he supports the $2k checks and continues to call for holding hands and singing kumbaya with Republicans. Surely this is how you win elections, by painting your opponents as just friendly colleagues who are totally fine.

Which would still be meaningless and pointless - https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/29/...s-talks-checks

It ain't happenin, sadly. Because it's not in the authority of the president-elect to do anything. McConnell controls the Senate, the best Democrats can do is the Sanders push to delay the defense veto override to force a vote on the $2K checks...but that ain't happenin since McConnell just added a poison pill that's completely unrelated that he knows Democrats won't vote for, while also attaching something Trump actually wants.

Don't get me wrong, I wish Biden would realize that "ye olden days" of both sides working on compromises is long dead and that Republicans have exhibited no evidence that they have any desire to govern or work together in good faith. I wish he'd go hard, realizing that there isn't some secret "silent majority" of Republicans in Congress that just want to get back to normal.

If you think he'd put any pressure on McConnell that hasn't already been put on him by business interests, constituents, lobbyists, politicians from all sides of the isle, media etc. etc. then I don't know what to tell you.

[Flower Milk]

the best Democrats can do is the Sanders push to delay the defense veto override to force a vote on the $2K checks....

Funny you mention that.

https://twitter.com/kayrosef/status/1344016714187603971

Democratic Whip Senator Durbin rejects Bernie Sander's proposal to hold up the NDAA to force the vote on a stimulus increase because of the importance of "pay raises for troops, support for Ukraine and Baltic states, and renaming military bases named after confederate leaders."

Fuck this asshole.

[beanman12345]

Granted, in KY, 600 dollars means you're well off for a while. You might even be able to get your sister Keystone Light AND Flaming Hot Cheetos on your date with that kind of money.

this posts wins the internet today.

[PACOX]

Not saying what Biden will or won't do in the future or anything like that, but I can see a good reason for his approach and rhetoric in the present. If he goes on the offensive NOW, he gives them ammunition to help drive Republican turnout even more in the special election. If he comes out like that now, he could potentially shoot himself in the foot in a way that hinders his entire administration heavily for years and gives McConnell a huge win.

With things the way they are, he has a chance of taking the Senate from Moscow Mitch at which point they can actually push for stuff. So we can't really say for sure which way that will go. Remember this is Georgia we are talking about here, so not wanting to give the Republicans any legit ammo to include with their lies.

If those people want to act out way because Biden (or anyone for that matter) is attempting to secure much needed aid, then that's on the conscience of those people.

What is not good is the lack of trying because some people 'might' throw a hissy fit. The message is simple,

"Republicans are officially on record blocking the aid that millions of Americans need right now. We can that by making sure we take back the Senate in the Georgia runoff. Get out an vote, because it is not just the future of Georgia we're talking about, it's the future of countless Americans for next foreseeable years. I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. "


Not," If we say nothing maybe the Republicans will forget the majority and vote for a Democrat this time." It's passive insanity.

[Edge-]

Funny you mention that.

https://twitter.com/kayrosef/status/1344016714187603971



Fuck this asshole.

Naw, not really. I generally support not holding some legislation hostage in order to try to force another to pass, or in this case at least get voted down pointlessly.

That money, even if we can argue it's too much and going to dumb shit, is hugely important for a ton of folks whose jobs rely on the defense bill. That pays for a ton of American jobs, and I'd rather they not lose money and work because a liberal decided that hurting "a few" was the best way to get money for everyone.

[PACOX]

Fuck this asshole.

You see by distancing from the Radial Leftists allies we're signaling to Republicans they can control theirs and our party. That way they'll vote for us too! It's genius.

[Themius]

Naw, not really. I generally support not holding some legislation hostage in order to try to force another to pass, or in this case at least get voted down pointlessly.

That money, even if we can argue it's too much and going to dumb shit, is hugely important for a ton of folks whose jobs rely on the defense bill. That pays for a ton of American jobs, and I'd rather they not lose money and work because a liberal decided that hurting "a few" was the best way to get money for everyone.

Why not though is the question I have.

So we vote on the defence bill and then....... go back to what?

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You see by distancing from the Radial Leftists allies we're signaling to Republicans they can control theirs and our party. That way they'll vote for us too! It's genius.

Gotta love that reach across the aisle bullshit.

Where's the progressive liaison for the Biden administration?

[beanman12345]

Naw, not really. I generally support not holding some legislation hostage in order to try to force another to pass, or in this case at least get voted down pointlessly.

That money, even if we can argue it's too much and going to dumb shit, is hugely important for a ton of folks whose jobs rely on the defense bill. That pays for a ton of American jobs, and I'd rather they not lose money and work because a liberal decided that hurting "a few" was the best way to get money for everyone.

They'll be paid on the first, Winter Blossom who's a military wife already said as such. This is something that can easily be held until the 2nd before congress adjourns for the new session on the third. hold this shit up, keep loeffler and purdue in DC instead of campaigning in GA, voting tomorrow just let's McConnell successfully shield them. It's just surrending while gaining nothing.

[Milchshake]

The problem with Cosplay Socialists, they're too busy online and not understanding how senate rules work. Hint; they're more complicated than Iowa Caucus rules.

As expected McConnell attaches a poison pill to the $2000 checks because, as has been clear from the start, the GOP doesn't actually want it to pass. McConnell, before Senate adjournment, started the Rule 14 process to get 2 bills onto the calendar - the House-passed $2,000 bill and:

"S.5085, to increase the additional 2020 recovery rebates, to repeal section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934, and for other purposes."




If you got gaffled by Iowa or South Carolina Democrats in the primary ... how de fuck do you expect to outsmart McConnell?

Instead of bashing Nancy all the time, maybe take some notes.