Do you believe that Garrosh should have been killed? Was Tyrande or Baine right?

[vian]

Killed so we didn't have WOD.

[Mazza]

Garrosh should have never even survived the final battle of SoO. His demise should have been at the players hands.

[Tarba]

He didn't open the portal to Draenor but he did help form the Iron Horde and open a portal to Azeroth. And if you want to go further with Gul'dan then you can blame Grommash for not killing him after slaying Mannoroth.

Yep, like I said you can blame him for the iron horde. But the alternate timeline and a new freed Guldan is on the hero.
If you want to go further it's on the titan fault for giving time power to dragons, or night elves for calling the legion the first time, or Elune for empowering night elves so they could make their empire.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Yep, like I said you can blame him for the iron horde. But the alternate timeline and a new freed Guldan is on the hero.

You can't blame the hero when they were in a race against the clock. They had to disable the portal and get out. Killing Gul'dan could either prove to take too long and end up overwhelmed or he'll kill us instead.

[Tarba]

You can't blame the hero when they were in a race against the clock. They had to disable the portal and get out. Killing Gul'dan could either prove to take too long and end up overwhelmed or he'll kill us instead.

Ho I can totally blame the hero.
Hey is that one of the most dangerous and powerfull guy linked to the legion that ever existed incapicitated over here ? Let's free him, I'm in a hurry

[Al Gorefiend]

I hoped that in WoD we had a fight between Varian and Garrosh during the final assault in Grommash'ar.

With Varian tired after fighting to get to him, Garrosh has the upper hand but before he can strike him down, an arrow appears in his chest.
Falling to his knees the orc looks around and sees Vol'jin, looking down on him.

He tries to stand up and run towards the troll but is beheaded/impaled by Varian




But no. We had both faction leaders go to Draenor and be like "Sure, build ships, whatevs"

I feel Sylvanas is going to be the same way.

Everyone has their opinions on which NPC should get the kill - Tyrande, Jaina, Genn, Baine etc. etc. and Blizzard knows this just like they knew everyone had their idea who should kill Garrosh. They will probably give it to nobody and instead involve some plot-twist that keeps her alive or redeemed.

[Maljinwo]

I feel Sylvanas is going to be the same way.

Everyone has their opinions on which NPC should get the kill - Tyrande, Jaina, Genn, Baine etc. etc. and Blizzard knows this just like they knew everyone had their idea who should kill Garrosh. They will probably give it to nobody and instead involve some plot-twist that keeps her alive or redeemed.

We know it's going to be Tyrande hunting her down and the kill will probably go to Jaina because reason

[Dastreus]

Killing Garrosh would have spared us WoD and BFA.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Garrosh was right: The trial was a sham

That said, Varian was wrong in stopping Thrall. It ended up with the Legion killing him

It's a sham in the same way the Nuremburg trials were a sham in relation to SS officers (i.e.: to be explicit, this is to say that it was not a sham). The purpose of the trial was to evaluate Garrosh's guilt and review potential mitigating circumstances for his actions, and that is what it did. That Garrosh blatantly committed the crimes he was accused of and had no regret nor intention of reforming (note: he proceeded to prove his inability to change) does not make the trial a sham.

To criticize the book a bit, the fact that the defense had to rely so heavily on incredibly poor argumentation (i.e.: that he deserves a chance to change) just shows how bad the writing in the book was. There was no valid defense of his genocide. What Blizzard did was create self-righteous caricatures who would prefer to allow unrepentant evil to exist rather than dealing with the problem in an effective manner. It's seeping with "wisdom" espoused by characters that are, all things considered, obviously idiots.

[Candy Cough]

He was a fool who dabbled in powers he could not comprehend, and as a result of his incompetence Azeroth almost fell to Y'Shaarj. He can rot in Hell.

And as a result of Allerias incompetence, the sunwell almost fell to the void. She can rot in the maw

[Ardenaso]

Vol'jin should have killed him; he seemed to have forgotten his own warriors and civilians got the Theramore Citizen treatment down in Orgrimmar

[Maljinwo]

The purpose of the trial was to evaluate Garrosh's guilt and review potential mitigating circumstances for his actions, and that is what it did. That Garrosh blatantly committed the crimes he was accused of and had no regret nor intention of reforming (note: he proceeded to prove his inability to change) does not make the trial a sham.

There was no point in hoding a trial. They should've just killed him in Orgrimmar
Sure, the metanarrative required him to live so he could travel to AU Draenor and all that. But good lord, come up with literally anything else.

Kairoz could've just appeared in the Underhold and rescue him or anything

The Darkspear were being executed on the streets. Theramore was destroyed
But the Pandaren claim to have suffered the most? lol, no

[Magical Mudcrab]

There was no point in hoding a trial. They should've just killed him in Orgrimmar
Sure, the metanarrative required him to live so he could travel to AU Draenor and all that. But good lord, come up with literally anything else.

Kairoz could've just appeared in the Underhold and rescue him or anything

The Darkspear were being executed on the streets. Theramore was destroyed
But the Pandaren claim to have suffered the most? lol, no

The problem is that, in this circumstance, the trial is still not a sham. You could argue that it's simply symbolic (i.e.: simply an affirmation of how bad Garrosh is before he is executed), but the trial served it's purpose. Whether there are out-of-lore reasons for his trial is irrelevant.

Regarding the Pandaren having suffered the most, I'm with you. It's never really conveyed to us that the Pandaren are suffering more from the war than anyone else; however, I think it could be construed as the Pandaren being pulled into the war was being pinned on Garrosh (i.e.: so all of the problems with the Sha, the division within the Pandaren, etc., were being put onto Garrosh). Though this was never represented in-game, and would be a bit of a stretch, so it's a difficult sell.

[Unholyground]

I don't think so but I do think he's going to become the new leader of Ravendreth or at least one of them alongside kael'thas. if there's one thing I know all these zones need new blood because they've been run by the same dick heads forever.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Nah, how about we go back in time and just leave him in Nagrand? There'd be no wars or anything really lol