Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Zan15]

Police chief should resign. His actions show a degree of territorialism as if he didn't want the any other agencies involved.

at the same time the person in charge of protecting federal buildings and the national guard should resign.....oh that's trump......hmmmm

[Monster Hunter]

When it comes to Boris he is a Trump Like idiot, IF Trump had a Brain, I don't mean that to be a compliment but honestly Boris at least seems competent.

America has had racist and white supremacist as presidents and in government a long time that includes sexist and homophobes and the like.



However Trump is truly the first dumbest low I.Q fat body stupidest fuck, to ever dishonor the White House. Left or Right maybe at the very least Brits are content on leaving their reality TV Jokes for TV Entertainment and not actually leaders charged with any responsibility of the country.

Being both U.S and Canadian, I have known the contrast of the two for some years and frankly even the Conservative Party is NOTHING like these Trumplicans.


And I say that is someone fully and totally liberal.


There are for sure areas I can Agree with Conservatives though.


Yes, The Boarders absolutely have to be secured, but not with bullshit symbolic nonsense like a Wall.


Yes, We can NOT spend out way out of trouble, I am for responsible Government.

I am a Capitalist, but that does not mean at the expense of common sense regulations like I dunno putting 9 year old to 40 hour work weeks, Yeah because we used to do shit like that.

People should be free to make choices even if they aren't ones I agree with, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and that individual is of sound mind to do so, not a child or vulnerable adult.





I don't think Liberals and Conservative have to be enemies, they are distinct differences in methodology Checks and Balances, which is why the distinctions are important, NOT for partisan bullshit, but so that we know what we are doing and when we are doing it.


And if ever ANY 1 man given responsibility NOT just Power fucks up, there is a system to always keep any one leader from going made and fucking up the whole thing.


Working in security I trust that, contrast and layers of accountability. But Corruption hurts everyone because Stupidity knowing better but saying ah fuck it is how shit like Trump happens every time.

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Yeah True it's Typically an Optics thing.

Like Twitter, Facebook, CNN and MSNBC being called out for helping build Trump, I have NO Problem with that. And trying to walk it back now by banning or scapegoating one idiot should NOT fly.

You can't line your fucking pockets with this bullshit and be all like, well no no this is a bridge too far, when the kind of attitudes had been fostered all this time, yeah bullshit!

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Well said and True, Canada has it's own crosses to bear, Canada when it came to a lot of progressive issues, isn't that far ahead of the U.S I remember the 80's and early 90's in Canada specifically Manitoba.

Bojo made his political career from being two things, a bit of a clown, he made an image of being more fun than most conservatives and more liberal than most conservatives, apart from the brexit issue bojo voting wise wouldnt look out of place in either the labour or lib dem party on his voting record.

But being the leader of the conservatives that means taking the full flak that not even a Liberal record or fun loving image can protect against.

But I make this point repeatedly, bojo is as liberal as a conservative gets, you don't want to oust him as con leader because its more likely he will be replaced by some one far far worse.

[downnola]

I think people are forgetting they had set up a gallows outside the building before charging in.

Forgetting? I had no idea that happened. That should be all over the news tbh.

[Edge-]

Forgetting? I had no idea that happened. That should be all over the news tbh.

Yep. And a massive cross, which I'm surprised they didn't burn.

And you had them making at least one noose out of the camera cabling they were trying to light a bonfire on...which they were very unsuccessful at. Apparently they haven't mastered the use of fire yet, so resorted to their primate instincts and just hit the stuff a bit.

[Xeones]

Forgetting? I had no idea that happened. That should be all over the news tbh.

Fair talk it didn't look like it could hold the weight of a normal person.

https://people.com/politics/dc-prote...7-61a0711c891b

Picture 6.

But we are still talking about the same kind of people who planned to kidnap and murder the governor of Michigan.

[Edge-]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ca...ge-01610061405

So Capitol Police Chief Sund (I guess that's his name...weird) turned down offers of backup from the Pentagon before the siege, and the DoJ during the siege.

He's resigning soon, but he should not be allowed to. Fire and investigate/prosecute him. His actions left multiple dead and risked the lives of members of Congress. He let insurrectionists storm the Capitol building.

[Ihavewaffles]

A little comparison, USA & Ukraine riots, how some democrats react to riots..it's not about Ukraine, it could be any other country usa derailed the elected in..

"one rule for me and another for thee"

Also, this is a very long list

United States involvement in regime change has entailed both overt and covert actions aimed at altering, replacing, or preserving foreign governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._regime_change

Last time Biden was in office...

2014
https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-clas...otest-law-858/

Washington has threated to impose sanctions against Ukraine as the White House called on the authorities to "de-escalate the situation," by withdrawing riot police and beginning a dialogue with the opposition.

"The increasing tension in Ukraine is a direct consequence of the government failing to acknowledge the legitimate grievances of its people," National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said in a statement.

"The US will continue to consider additional steps - including sanctions - in response to the use of violence," Hayden added.

Following Sunday’s riots, the Ukrainian police have opened a criminal case into the mass unrest in central Kiev. The police also said they have footage from CCTV cameras to analyze, warning that the aggressive protesters will be brought to justice. According to the new legislation, perpetrators may face up to 15 years in prison for “mass violation of public order,” as well as large fines.

So far, ten people have been arrested, the Ministry of Internal Affairs said in a statement naming the detainees.

The list includes a 30 -year-old member of "Svoboda" (Freedom) movement. He has a history of being apprehended several times for disorderly conduct. The list also includes a 41-year-old man nicknamed "Skull" who had previously been convicted of murder and served 13 years behind bars.

https://www.rt.com/news/kiev-protest...n-clashes-873/

Ukrainian opposition leaders have threatened to “go on the offensive”, if the president does not respond to the demands in the wake of Wednesday’s talks not yielding any results. Meanwhile, rioters remain in central Kiev, causing unrest and damage.

"Tomorrow if the president does not respond ... then we will go on the offensive," said Vitaly Klitschko, one of the leaders, addressing the thousands of protesters on Independence Square, Maidan.

Following the three-hour long meeting with the President Victor Yanukovich, opposition leaders said there had been no positive response from the president to their demands, which include lifting the anti-riot laws, the government stepping down and an early ballot.

More violent than Americans storming capitol in US, here's Ukraininans doing the similar things but more violent, here's Kerry's take, never holds rioters responsible..

https://www.rt.com/news/kiev-rioters-chaos-police-167/

Meanwhile, US Secretary of State John Kerry once again confirmed Washington’s support for Ukrainian protesters during his speech at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland. Kerry said the US is working with its allies and top Ukrainian officials to end the violence.

“We are working with our partners to press the government of Ukraine to forego violence, to address the concerns of peaceful protesters, to foster dialogue, promote the freedom of assembly and expression,” he said.

Yanukovych Repeals Anti-Protest Laws, Signs Amnesty Bill.

KIEV, January 31 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine's President Viktor Yanukovych on Friday signed into law bills declaring an amnesty for demonstrators and canceling unpopular anti-protest laws, his press service said.

A series of anti-protest laws were pushed through parliament without discussion by the ruling pro-presidential Party of Regions on January 16, sparking renewed street protests that rapidly descended into violence between police and demonstrators.

In a bid to defuse the political crisis, parliament voted overwhelmingly earlier this week to cancel the unpopular bill and to release detained protesters.

It marked the first real concession by Yanukovych since the anti-government protests erupted in November after he rejected an association agreement with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia.

The amnesty law will only come into effect, however, if the opposition vacates occupied buildings and opens up roads that it has blocked in the center of the country's capital, Kiev.

The protesters will have 15 days to withdraw from Kiev streets once the law is published by the official media.

Opposition leaders have previously rejected this condition, however, as effectively creating a hostage situation in the country.

Ukraine riots according to Obama: 'Peaceful protesters' oppressed by govt.

Ofc, we saw how many here shrugged when BLM Antifa burned n rioted. I'm not addressing their reason, but their conduct.
It seems punishment for rioting should only meted out when the opposing side riots, when it's your guys, hands off..

Since the country is so divided, I expect Trump to pardon the protesters, if possible.

[Xeones]

WTF MSNBC is literally showing videos of police escorting people, helping them walk, down the steps of the capital building as they are leaving and just letting them go.

Then playing it beside how BLM protestors are treated.

This is insane.

[Edge-]

WTF MSNBC is literally showing videos of police escorting people, helping them walk, down the steps of the capital building as they are leaving and just letting them go.

Then playing it beside how BLM protestors are treated.

This is insane.

Most of those that work forces are apparently indeed the same that burn crosses. Rage Against the Machine were just a bit too ahead of the times.

[Ihavewaffles]

WTF MSNBC is literally showing videos of police escorting people, helping them walk, down the steps of the capital building as they are leaving and just letting them go.

Then playing it beside how BLM protestors are treated.

This is insane.

All rioters, everywhere should be treated equally, according to the laws, no distinction.

Do you agree, or disagree?

How many will answer this question? Truthfully? It's easy to point fingers about this or that event. But what about consistency?

[beanman12345]

All rioters, everywhere should be treated equally, according to the laws, no distinction.

Do you agree, or disagree?

How many will answer this question? Truthfully? It's easy to point fingers about this or that event. But what about consistency?

You are claiming these people are rioters, and give them no distinction with what they truly are, which is terrorists. curious what your next RT talking point will be.

[Xeones]

All rioters, everywhere should be treated equally, according to the laws, no distinction.

Do you agree, or disagree?

How many will answer this question? Truthfully? It's easy to point fingers about this or that event. But what about consistency?

I never said rioters. Rioters are criminals.

What I was watching was people who went past rioting they were fucking terrorists being assisted by police every step of the way instead of being stopped and then that footage had been put beside brutality put against peaceful protestors.

That is what my post is about. Like Biden said rioters are criminals. You probably think you're clever here, but no you just want to equate protestors with rioters.

[Cthulhu 2020]

A continuation of the protests/riots/terrorism from the summer. People did not seem to read the last line of my post, so I will say it again.

Anyone who was for the previous protests should be for this one, and any against the previous protests should be against this one.

I was against the previous ones, so maybe now you see where I stand on this one.

I am fine with calling ALL OF IT terrorism. The burning down of cities earlier in the year, the formation of CHAZ, the storming of the Capitol Building, etc.

You seem to think that people are either for or against protests for the sake of being for or against protests. The idea that people are protesting for CERTAIN REASONS seems completely lost on you. Also, the manner in which the protestors conduct themselves is a huge factor.

[Orange Joe]

All rioters, everywhere should be treated equally, according to the laws, no distinction.

Do you agree, or disagree?

How many will answer this question? Truthfully? It's easy to point fingers about this or that event. But what about consistency?

Who here has said that rioters shouldn't be charged for any laws they break?

Provide me quotes.

[Xeones]

This is what I mean by eyeroll headlines: "National Geographic photographer Louie Palu spent five years covering the war in Afghanistan and covered Mexico's drug wars, including more than 100 assassinations. He has never seen anything like he saw Wednesday at the U.S. Capitol."

Yes, they should be arrested. Yes, the police should be investigated. But really? Worse than an actual war?

Probably referring to the performance of our police.

[Ihavewaffles]

I never said rioters. Rioters are criminals.

What I was watching was people who went past rioting they were fucking terrorists being assisted by police every step of the way instead of being stopped and then that footage had been put beside brutality put against peaceful protestors.

That is what my post is about. Like Biden said rioters are criminals. You probably think you're clever here, but no you just want to equate protestors with rioters.

Torching businesses and looting stores isn't protesting. There's peaceful protesters n rioters on both sides, clearly you refuse to acknowledge that. I asked if you want the laws to apply to all equally, seems you couldn't answer with a simple yes or no.

[Orange Joe]

Torching businesses and looting stores isn't protesting. There's peaceful protesters n rioters on both sides, clearly you refuse to acknowledge that. I asked if you want the laws to apply to all equally, seems you couldn't answer with a simple yes or no.

Show me a quote of someone here saying they shouldn't be charged if they commit crimes.

[Corvus]

The FBI is already releasing a lot of person of interest mugshots. They are certainly on the ball

[Xeones]

Torching businesses and looting stores isn't protesting. There's peaceful protesters n rioters on both sides, clearly you refuse to acknowledge that. I asked if you want the laws to apply to all equally, seems you couldn't answer with a simple yes or no.

I 100% answered your question but it's clear now you didn't want an answer, you're just doing a gotcha question.

My post was about the treatment of the people engaged in the most unbelievable thing I've seen in my life yesterday and the treatment of peaceful protestors.

I'm not discussing the people who didn't enter the capital building.

[Ihavewaffles]

Who here has said that rioters shouldn't be charged for any laws they break?

Provide me quotes.

When somebody says only "protesters" refusing to admit there were rioters also at any event that has both.

This selective seeing rioters in the opposing side and only protesters in ur own camp is a bias.

Ofc, most will not openly state "well, i like blm n antifa, any violence they do they should be allowed to get away with" but you see with how people structure their bias n deliberately avoid looking into the mirror.