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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    They were violent Nazis who killed a cop, injured dozens of officers, and were trying to murder elected politicians.

    It's weird how you want to defend all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    To demand a fair election without the evidence to support their belief an unfair election occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Neither do I like the people who repress those who don't comply with their radical beliefs as proposed in this ideolody-driven study, glad we both can agree on this
    There are risks either way, allowing violent rhetoric to metastisize risks destabilizing our society. Drawing the line at violence seems reasonably safe to me, I think our society will somehow muddle on without that viewpoint being amplified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors, not N-words. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    The election was fair, so they are ignorant and violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors, not N-words. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    We had a fair election. They lost and want to overthrow results of said election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    N-words, why? Haven't seen the mob that stormed the Capitol doing this in the name of Hitler or following his teachings. Neither are people openly supporting such ideas welcome in the conservative american circles, many of those venerate their grandfathers who fought for freedom in WWII in Europe.

    Their views might not perfectly comply with modern agenda, but defending diversity and open-mindnes is what is of the essence
    You do realize some of the guys leading the siege were immediately identified as leaders in white nationalist and neo-nazi organizations, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    More like throwing trouble makers in jail, but you know this and just want to be a dishonost troll anyways.
    Chinese government is currently throwing in re-eduacation camps people they deem troublemakers, but you seem to be condemning that inhumane practice, while willing to implement it at home. Is this hypocrisy speaking in you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Chinese government is currently throwing in re-eduacation camps people they deem troublemakers, but you don't seem to be condemning that inhumane practice, while willing to implement it at home. Is this hypocrisy speaking in you?
    Do you not know what an analogy is? I wasn't suggesting actually throwing people in jail. but again YOU Know this and just want to be a dishonost troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Chinese government is currently throwing in re-eduacation cams people they deem troublemakers, but you don't seem to be condemning that inhumane practice, while willing to implement it at home. Is this hypocrisy speaking in you?
    Who said anything about Chinese ? And everyone here agrees they are terrible keepers of human rights. That is nothing new.

    This specific thread is about far right wing groups in social media in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    You do realize some of the guys leading the siege were immediately identified as leaders in white nationalist and neo-nazi organizations, right?
    These should be tried and jailed if the court sees necessary, no rioter should be unpunished, yet, no peaceful protestors, which are the vast majority, should be prosecuted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors, not N-words. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    You forgot the part where they were chanting, lets hang mike pence there. Even the thousands that couldnt make it in.

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    You forgot the part where they were chanting, lets hang mike pence there. Even the thousands that couldnt make it in.
    You're talking to someone who uses "N-Word" for "Nazi" as if it was an offensive slur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Which N-words? Are they back from their graves? Is "Mein Kampf" being worshipped again? Are innocent children being ideologically charged with racial theory supposing one race can have inherited flaw and should be branded with eternal guilt and forced to stand down in favor of other? That would be truly atrocious
    This is cute and transparent. Ww can randomly pick take a random sample of any of the terrorists who were at the Capitol and find people who are open Neo-nazis or buy into the rhetoric.

    "But some of them don't call themselves Nazis". Why would they? It's cultural suicide, doesn't stop them adopting the ideology. They go to their little thrift shops full of Nazi propaganda downright to still being covered in anti-semitic trash.

    Nazis, race purist, nationalist, supremacists, are against acceptance and diversity core statements. Completely incompatible with the ideas like trying to shove a square peg through a round hole. That's why they have no place a diverse society when their goal is segregation and uniformity. Not different, problematic, destructive. Illogical.

    Replacing Nazi with N-word? As if that's not right out their playbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    N-words, why? Haven't seen the mob that stormed the Capitol doing this in the name of Hitler or following his teachings.
    I know you're banned, but trying to claim the Nazi ideology is some weirdly distant thing from American tradition is just factually, obviously incorrect.

    Hitler literally, explicitly called out the USA as his inspiration for what would become Germany's race laws, using the American Jim Crow laws as his inspirational example to build from. America largely isn't following Hitler's teachings, but only because you've got it backwards. Hitler was following America's teachings.

    http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/i10925.pdf

    This is arguably a big reason why the USA, alone among the Allies, dragged its feet rather than springing to its allies' defense, only entering the war years into the fight, and only really because Japan launched an attack on American soil and they and the other Axis powers declared war on the States. The USA did not come into World War 2 with a noble cause, they avoided the matter as long as they could and essentially got forced into the Allies by the decisions of the Axis powers. It's why Nazism has always had a strong foothold in the USA, much as it did in Argentina.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Humans don't didnt know how general group dynamics work prior to this study?
    We have a thing called "counter-intuitive". The reason that exists as a concept is because there are some things that we think should work in a particular way that actually turn out to work a completely different way. You find things like that out by being curious and investigating them.

    Just because a study ended up showing something that "everybody knew" was true, doesn't mean it was wasted effort. Because reality doesn't bend to the will of a majority. We've had plenty of things in the past that "everybody knew" that turned out to be so much hokum.

    And if studies of extremists and extremism helps to advance the fight against them, then it's doubly important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I know you're banned, but trying to claim the Nazi ideology is some weirdly distant thing from American tradition is just factually, obviously incorrect.

    Hitler literally, explicitly called out the USA as his inspiration for what would become Germany's race laws, using the American Jim Crow laws as his inspirational example to build from. America largely isn't following Hitler's teachings, but only because you've got it backwards. Hitler was following America's teachings.

    http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/i10925.pdf

    This is arguably a big reason why the USA, alone among the Allies, dragged its feet rather than springing to its allies' defense, only entering the war years into the fight, and only really because Japan launched an attack on American soil and they and the other Axis powers declared war on the States. The USA did not come into World War 2 with a noble cause, they avoided the matter as long as they could and essentially got forced into the Allies by the decisions of the Axis powers. It's why Nazism has always had a strong foothold in the USA, much as it did in Argentina.
    Not just Jim Crow but in how Americans handled their indigenous population. Concentration camps were at least partially inspired by reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    These were mostly peaceful protestors, not N-words. Of course there were few ugly ones who caused unnecessary violence and destruction and broke into a federal builing and should be condemned, but wast majority of people just came to demand fair election
    hilarious that you said that considering your posts in the Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    You do realize some of the guys leading the siege were immediately identified as leaders in white nationalist and neo-nazi organizations, right?
    that, and the number of them wearing "60 million wasn't enough" shirts
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I know you're banned, but trying to claim the Nazi ideology is some weirdly distant thing from American tradition is just factually, obviously incorrect.

    Hitler literally, explicitly called out the USA as his inspiration for what would become Germany's race laws, using the American Jim Crow laws as his inspirational example to build from. America largely isn't following Hitler's teachings, but only because you've got it backwards. Hitler was following America's teachings.

    http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/i10925.pdf

    This is arguably a big reason why the USA, alone among the Allies, dragged its feet rather than springing to its allies' defense, only entering the war years into the fight, and only really because Japan launched an attack on American soil and they and the other Axis powers declared war on the States. The USA did not come into World War 2 with a noble cause, they avoided the matter as long as they could and essentially got forced into the Allies by the decisions of the Axis powers. It's why Nazism has always had a strong foothold in the USA, much as it did in Argentina.
    book name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    book name?
    For the paper I linked? Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law.

    For the general concept of their sourcing from Jim Crow race laws? Literally the actual minutes of the discussions in which they produced the Nuremberg Race Laws. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...berg-race-laws



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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    For the paper I linked? Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law.

    For the general concept of their sourcing from Jim Crow race laws? Literally the actual minutes of the discussions in which they produced the Nuremberg Race Laws. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...berg-race-laws

    thank you, i was interested in all the notes cited in the extract
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