Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[gondrin]

I'm amused by their implausible stories. I just picked up these zip ties so I could give them to the police!

My favorite still is the one guy's brother claiming that his brother was pushed into the building. Yep, he was pushed right into a riot shield, up and down stairs and the like. Must be built like a tumbleweed if pushing him gets him around like that.

[Corvus]

for that case yes. they still hate the guts of the left however. 1 murder is not going to do the decades of shit these people had to endure from your side.

My side? I'm Australian, not American and politically would probably be of the centre-right, though that means a bit different here than over there.

[Logwyn]

My favorite still is the one guy's brother claiming that his brother was pushed into the building. Yep, he was pushed right into a riot shield, up and down stairs and the like. Must be built like a tumbleweed if pushing him gets him around like that.

Sounds like a "hold my beer" video. There are people out there now claiming that these were totally peaceful protests and they were simply where the public is allowed to be and go. The media is just showing videos and pictures that are portraying it in a bad light.

[Monster Hunter]

In fact, not shutting the Nazis up is what led to the Nazi Reich.

Not to wade in to the argument you having, just want to point out that particular statement is a massive over simplification of a complex part of German history, and not entirely true.

The weirmar Republic was like most goverments of the time heavily involved in censorship, examples being the censoring of the proletarian film Kuhle Wampe, the nazis did under go harsher censorship in the the early days, especialy after the Putsch, after the Putsch, and hittler was released from prison the nazi party changed tactics from a revolutionary party to an electoral one just with nefarious motives, in that vain there propaganda changed and what they were saying changed so as to appear legitimate and dodge the censorship that other extream parties like the communists had imposed on them.

So its not as black and white as people wish to think of that time period, hittler didn't stand up looking to get his first members elected to parliment by screaming about gassing Jews, if people bothered to look at the election posters the nazis produced in 1932, there are very few ive managed to find that even todays censors would block, and most of his propaganda isnt much different from whats produced by many partys across the western world today. Hitler's campaign focused on the economic issues of Germany, and used family motifs, conservative values mixed with a heavy use of the german worker and working class imagery taking charge over the elite and the rich, not all that dismilar from the drain the swamp propaganda of trump tbh.

[For_The_Horde]

I wonder if Antifa is upset upon learning the best way to combat fascists is to lay back and watch them shoot themselves in the foot with stunts like the riot at the Capitol.

On the upside, the capitol is now filled with troops, 7000+ by the sounds of it, every street corner (not really armed though).

[Specialka]

Because it's the worst possible thing that's censored that I feel we'd both agree upon as being vile and worth censoring.

It's really not that complicated, and the insinuation you're trying to draw regarding me completely ignores my motive in using that particular example.

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The idea that those minorities are getting favourable treatment is white supremacist fearmongering, not reality.

It always goes like this;

"Hey, LGBT people should be allowed to marry their life partners just like hetero couples."
"We can't give them SPECIAL RIGHTS! They can marry the opposing gender like the rest of us!"
"You get how you're describing the status quo as a special preference, rather than equality, and all we're asking for is equality, right?"
"NO SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR THE UNCLEAN!"

Every single time. They don't have an argument. They've just internalized supremacy as normalcy, so any move for equality seems like special privileges for the minority groups, to them. It pretty much never is.



First, you mean "harm", as distinct from "violence". There's a lot of harms that aren't actually violent. Grooming a child to be exploited is often largely non-violent; no actual hitting or injury is necessary.

Second, if we can agree on "harm", that same standard applies to bigotry, directly. So you've demonstrated there's no changing of terms.



Horsecock.

"The Nazis were a natural reaction" is Nazi propaganda, plain and simple.



It isn't a real example. It's fearmongering nonsense. Diversity hiring doesn't expect any employer to hire someone unqualified.

And if white candidates are constantly "more qualified" for the position, well. That says it right there, doesn't it?

What were Nazis then ? You dismiss what he said but provide no evidence or explanation for such dismissal. All of Germany turned racist all of a sudden when they elected Hitler ?

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Yeah, no. This is revisionist, Nazi-excusing bullshit. The terms of Versailles were the most lenient of of the treaties with central powers. The Treaty of Trianon was harsher, the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye was harsher, the Treaty of Sèvres was harsher. Yet for some weird reason the Hungarians weren't spreading deluded drivel about their treaty being "proof" that the Jews and socialists stabbed them in the back and Turkey didn't even engage in WWII until the very end (which it did on the same side of as the victors of WWI, and even then mostly to appease Stalin).

What's even better is that the Treaty of Frankfurt that ended the last pre-WWI Franco-Prussian war, the war that the Germans won and were the ones to impose the treaty on the French, was also harsher. And so was the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk that Germany forced Russia to sign in the middle of WWI, as Russia was getting fucked sideways by other Russians of the more communist persuasion. And for equally weird reason you didn't see Russians justifying their WWII warmongering antics with "but muh Brest-Litovsk gave us no other choice".

Curious that I learned during my scholarship in France that the treaty of Versailles was considered as a humiliation of Germany because it had to endorsed all responsabilities of the WW1 (among all other things).

[Mihalik]

for that case yes. they still hate the guts of the left however. 1 murder is not going to do the decades of shit these people had to endure from your side.

Wait. Just what is the "decades of shit" these poor Nazis "had to endure" from the left that would justify MURDER?

Enlighten us.

[Blur4stuff]

Here we go with the victim complex. Nothing from the past few decades justifies anything that Trump and his supporters have done.

[gondrin]

Sounds like a "hold my beer" video. There are people out there now claiming that these were totally peaceful protests and they were simply where the public is allowed to be and go. The media is just showing videos and pictures that are portraying it in a bad light.

Nah, this guy was all over the House.

https://gothamist.com/news/trump-fur...me-court-judge

[Corvus]

Let's not forget that Italy went fascist before Germany and it had been on the winning side in WW1.

[Forogil]

Sounds like a "hold my beer" video. There are people out there now claiming that these were totally peaceful protests and they were simply where the public is allowed to be and go. The media is just showing videos and pictures that are portraying it in a bad light.

Yeah, apart from being inaccurate that also misses the point: if I break into a bank after hours and take pictures in the vault I will not free by saying that the public is allowed there.

And the reality seems to be the opposite - it was a bit worse as media only showed things the media safely could see and send; https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/m...y-8/index.html

[Acidbaron]

Yeah, apart from being inaccurate that also misses the point: if I break into a bank after hours and take pictures in the vault I will not free by saying that the public is allowed there.

And the reality seems to be the opposite - it was a bit worse as media only showed things the media safely could see and send; https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/m...y-8/index.html

Indeed more footage is coming out and it's not painting a pretty picture. These rioters will learn the hard way that ignorance does not mean innocence.

As for the whole World War analogies, trumpkins need to be aware if they wish to use those all it will do is further proof the similarities in the rise of fascism. Something everyone outside the insanity bubble of their social media groups have been aware of for a long time now.

[Pannonian]

Yeah, no. This is revisionist, Nazi-excusing bullshit. The terms of Versailles were the most lenient of of the treaties with central powers. The Treaty of Trianon was harsher, the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye was harsher, the Treaty of Sèvres was harsher. Yet for some weird reason the Hungarians weren't spreading deluded drivel about their treaty being "proof" that the Jews and socialists stabbed them in the back and Turkey didn't even engage in WWII until the very end (which it did on the same side of as the victors of WWI, and even then mostly to appease Stalin).

What's even better is that the Treaty of Frankfurt that ended the last pre-WWI Franco-Prussian war, the war that the Germans won and were the ones to impose the treaty on the French, was also harsher. And so was the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk that Germany forced Russia to sign in the middle of WWI, as Russia was getting fucked sideways by other Russians of the more communist persuasion. And for equally weird reason you didn't see Russians justifying their WWII warmongering antics with "but muh Brest-Litovsk gave us no other choice".

You don't even have to get that far: The problem with versailles was that it stated that the war was germanys fault and they had to pay a lot. We can now debate if it was harsher than others or not, but it doesn't matter:

At the time the Nazis came to power the treaty was already heavily modified in favor of Germany (heavy reduction in payments, occupation, etc.) the ministers of exterior of France and Germany even got the Nobel Peace Prize for it - i think 1926..

So the Nazis used a lie to sell the people something that wasn't true anymore at least half a decade.

I think Brest-Litovsk is not a good example as it was void 6 months later anyway, so it doesn't had such a lasting impact on the memory of society (compare to the occupation of the Rheinland)

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Let's not forget that Italy went fascist before Germany and it had been on the winning side in WW1.

With a deep resentment, because they didn't get the spoils of war they wanted and there was a sense of betrayal. Not that it matters much, but the first world war is much more grey...

[Cthulhu 2020]

for that case yes. they still hate the guts of the left however. 1 murder is not going to do the decades of shit these people had to endure from your side.

Ah yes, having to watch gay people get legally married and people of color afforded the same rights granted by the constitution to live their lives. That must have been SOOOOOO horrible for the nazis, fascists, and white supremacists to watch happen. We can't have none of that in our white ethno-state.

[Draco-Onis]

On the upside, the capitol is now filled with troops, 7000+ by the sounds of it, every street corner (not really armed though).

And if recent events are any indication they will part like the red sea and roll the red carpet for a white angry armed mob.

[Corvus]

And if recent events are any indication they will part like the red sea and roll the red carpet for a white angry armed mob.

National guard. Not cops. Different beast.

[gondrin]

National guard. Not cops. Different beast.

And the NG is allowed to carry guns with live ammo. I figure either they will all chicken out and not show(hopefully) or there will be bloodshed(I hope I'm dead wrong on this).

[nonameelf]

for that case yes. they still hate the guts of the left however. 1 murder is not going to do the decades of shit these people had to endure from your side.

What shit? The economy has been stalling out for the middle class in large part because of Republican policies and their trickle down economics.

What is the shit they had to endure from Democrats that was worse than Republicans taking a hatchet to the middle class repeatedly?

[Thrundi]

What shit? The economy has been stalling out for the middle class in large part because of Republican policies and their trickle down economics.

What is the shit they had to endure from Democrats that was worse than Republicans taking a hatchet to the middle class repeatedly?

I guess, being told there were racism issues when law enforcement shoot persons of color without the slightest valid reason.
Or something.

Also, if "socialism" is the devil, and it is known that all the left meet in pizza parlors to rape and eat children, it is not a stretch to think that some actually believe all the left is an enraged ACAB mob out to get them.

Or their feelings are hurt because they see that a significant portion of the people do not like or respect them very much "for no reason"
Hurt feelings, I'd say.
Which would be ironic if not immensely sad, considering all the POC or otherwise prejudiced minorities that *REALLY* are disliked, disrespected, if not worse, for no (valid)reason.

[nonameelf]

I guess, being told there were racism issues when law enforcement shoot persons of color without the slightest valid reason.
Or something.

Also, if "socialism" is the devil, and it is known that all the left meet in pizza parlors to rape and eat children, it is not a stretch to think that some actually believe all the left is an enraged ACAB mob out to get them.

Or their feelings are hurt because they see that a significant portion of the people do not like or respect them very much "for no reason"
Hurt feelings, I'd say.
Which would be ironic if not immensely sad, considering all the POC or otherwise prejudiced minorities that *REALLY* are disliked, disrespected, if not worse, for no (valid)reason.

That very much seems to be it. They got their feelings hurt and somehow that is more important to them than the economic situation.

But they'll always claim economy is their #1 issue on exit polls.