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    seeing how much people are brining up Germany's fall to nazism, and Arnold brings that up in this
    gonna link it
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

  2. #1962
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    The reason this happens is because of international standards on taxation which are set at the OECD level. These are then transcribed into law by individual nations.

    There has been a significant fairly recent push by a number of nations to make changes to these standards that would close these loopholes and prevent what you are describing. But you know what nation has by far the greatest influence at the OECD and could make it happen, but has instead spent the last 4 years fighting tooth and nail to keep the status quo? Yes, the USA, and specifically, the Trump administration. It has been absolutely adamant that as little change be made as possible and has ended up getting what it wanted so the status quo pretty much remains.

    If you want this to stop then you need to support a different party. Its long been said that republicans vote against their own interests, and at least on economics issues its 100% true. The things that you hate that are making republican voters poorer are overwhelmingly a result of the republican party using your votes on gay rights, abortion, guns, etc, to put money in their pockets and take it out of yours. That won't change until you stop voting for them. And as long as you right-wingers continue to vote for them they will continue to make you poorer.
    The democrats already tried and utterly failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    I voted for a populist and a political outsider i have no further use for the mainstream GOP
    You don't even live in the United States, so who exactly did you vote for?

    Give us a name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    The democrats already tried and utterly failed.
    between you claiming your not an American and not able to vote, then claiming you did vote
    and your blaming democrats for the problems you then chastise them for failing in their attempts to fix those problems due to GOP blockage

    Why should ANYONE not see you as posting extremely in bad faith?
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    The democrats already tried and utterly failed.
    What on earth are you on about?

    The rules haven't been significantly updated for decades and the push to change them to tackle tax evasion has been a very recent thing. Obama signed the US up onto the BEPS reform process during the tail end of his tenure but that's about it. His adminstration had little input into the process because the work was primarily done during the Trump admininstration, and they fought against it. So no, the democrats didn't try and fail, they didn't have the opportunity to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Dear God, I didn't realise he was that old.
    for a 73 year old that was using steroids, he's holding up rather well
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

  7. #1967
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Trump hired the head of the WWE to head the SBA, and a woman with literally zero education experience to dead the DoE.

    Get out of here with that nonsense.

    If you think Kamala Harris is far left, then we know you're either ignorant, or lying.
    I don't give a slightest f*ck about what Trump did, I never defended that clown of a president. Criticizing Biden =/= defending Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those men/white people Trump picked are good professionals*, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as man/straight/white human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Trump picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

    As for Pence, he endorses and supports all that religious propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about him.



    *Actually Trump didn't pick any good professionals. He just picked a bunch of sycophants. The vast majority of which were white, straight males just like him.
    Replied above about defending Trump, just read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    I know it was written when he was imprisoned. Just so happens that took place a few years before he won the elections, precisely like I said. If you're trying to claim that the book was suppressed by the state with this bit, you'd be wrong. The state was extremely lenient on Hitler and he had frequent visitors in prison, with whom he exchanged ideas and talked about the book he was writing. Not to mention he was abruptly released after just 9 months.

    And the book sold extremely poorly when you look at the whole population. It was still popular among proponents of Nazism. Who according to you totally didn't know what Hitler was in favor of. Despite Mein Kampf being the outline of his politics, that they supported. Then there's the fact that a book's sales are not required for the content of a book becoming known to the public.
    this ladies and gents is whats called putting words in peoples mouths.

    you can see how in his brain hes taken me saying "things back then were more complicated" and showing areas nazis were adn were not censored as defending the people who supported him, not that i was ever talking about the nazis who supported him in the early days, as i have never referenced them only taked about the german people and state at large during that time.

    this is what i call self rightousness to the point of ideocy and it leads to the sweeping generelaisations of history we see often today, generalisations that are extreamly dangerous because the omit the true lessons of that history, hittler was censored but not all that much, same as the communists, there was greater censorship as revolutionary partys and as elction parties they got a free pass, but what mehrunes seems adamant to obfusticate is the nature of hitler's propoganda to the wider people of german, and what made that so dangerous is how bog standard that propoganda was for many nations at that time and is still used in ways to this day be "legitimate" parties in many nations.

    its a form of self soothing really in a way, beliving as mehrunes does gives him a feeling of safty that some how he will be able to see perfectly the next hittler or musloini, but that isnt the reality.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...results-due-to

    Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.) said while some GOP members of Congress "share responsibility" for misleading the supporters of President Trump who stormed the U.S. Capitol last week, others feared physical violence if they opposed objections to the 2020 election results.

    "They were being lied to. They were being misled," he said of the demonstrators. "Some of my colleagues in Congress, they share responsibility for that. Many of them were fundraising off of this Stop the Steal grift."

    But other Republicans, he argued in an interview with the libertarian magazine Reason, "had legitimate concerns about the safety of their families. They felt that that vote would put their families in danger."

    Those lawmakers, he said, knew in their "heart of hearts that they should've voted to certify," but voted to support objections to the results of election results in Pennsylvania and Arizona due to fears that members of their families could face retaliation.
    When Republican lawmakers are terrified of their violent, mobbish, murderous constituents, apparently.

    This is the worst attempt I've seen to justify their support of an insurrectionist mob yet.

    I'm pretty convinced the Republican party is just becoming the party of Neville Chamberlain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muxtar View Post
    I don't give a slightest f*ck about what Trump did, I never defended that clown of a president. Criticizing Biden =/= defending Trump.

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    Replied above about defending Trump, just read.
    You are proving my point. You are here to shitpost for Trump, to condemn shit that hasn't even happened yet, even though Trump did worse than you are claiming the Dems might do.

    Color me shocked.

    oh yeah, we're still waiting on that evidence of Harris being far left.

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    Lets remember that there are other threads for some of the discussion going on here, so we can stay on topic to recent events.


    The thread is getting a bit jumbled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Of a SCOTUS Justice.
    and? being the husband of a crazy lunatic isnt a fellony
    12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    This part is very true but there are some exceptions things to consider. Yes the most loaded and harmful language isn't going to be stopped by censorship provided free speech is recognized by the state as opposed to a private company like say Twitter.

    That doesn't mean language can't be harmful, see the previous editions of the DSM, there are terms and language used that by today standards wouldn't go over as well.


    However the problem you miss is that populism which is what Hitler mostly leaned into actually requires a different frame of language than it did in his time. Words that didn't go over peoples heads then, might land differently today.

    As such while YES the language can simply be changed to say the same things a more eloquent way. The Ideas really won't land with out the ones most basic with the platforms.


    And right not the Alt-Right lost every leg they had to stand on when ALL of these company's in concert and with the approval of the majority now agree it's fine to take these white supremacist and their values for things like conspiracy theories to take a hike.
    thats right and has been the case or at least in america should have been the case since the end of ww2. but what im pointing out is

    1. censorship only works on the blatent and obvious. and the blatent and obvious arnt the type were worryed about being elected.

    2. like trump when it becomes blatent and obvious for censorship to step, its sualy to late, the horse has already bolted.

    3. the dangerous ones are the ones who use traditonal political propoganda and coded dogwhistles, things that even with heavy censorship often slip through.

    4. with the above it then becomes alot more complicated, if facist are using political propoganda like conservative family values, religeon, anti elites and anti globalisation to recruit and get elected, then to be effective against them you have to start censoring at that point, not after there in office like trump and have become blatent in there incitments, but then that makes a problem in its self as anti globalisation is also a position of many left wing parties and anti elites as well, if you go to that level the same censorship that would have blocked trump would also have hit the wall street protests, its all more complicated than people want to think about.

    5. and the final point i raise about censorship is power, censorship only happens from power down, people can petition power to censor but its is those in a position of power who only have that ability, that makes it by its nature a dangerous and unreliable tool for the proletariat to rely on in the fight against facism.

    those are my general points on censorship as a concept. for what it is, it works well in generality and in stoping the blatent, but as a tool to prevent future trumps i wouldnt place any faith in it.

    theres a similar debate in the uk about it in regards to the labour party and antisematism and if some of the MP's should have been banned from twitter, so its a wide and complex topic and issue that trancends america and trump as specific cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozz View Post
    Lets remember that there are other threads for some of the discussion going on here, so we can stay on topic to recent events.


    The thread is getting a bit jumbled.
    this thread predates the capitol hill event by a number of days, and is a general topic on insurection and the potantial for insurection happening in the USA, its not a specific instance or recent event thread.

    this thread was created Jan 01, 2021, the storming of the capitol of the USA was January 6, 2021.
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  14. #1974
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    and? being the husband of a crazy lunatic isnt a fellony
    Not a felony, but there's a saying (by a literal dictator and allegedly wanna-be-king who was stabbed in the back by senators):
    "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozz View Post
    Lets remember that there are other threads for some of the discussion going on here, so we can stay on topic to recent events.


    The thread is getting a bit jumbled.
    I think it might be better to keep the specific capitol invasion thread open to house that specific discussion. This thread has just kind of become a generic circle-jerk of... well, I don't really know what. Mainly bad-faith concern trolls posing as Americans and posters from Europe arguing with one another, interspersed with actual legitimate news about the capitol invasion.

    Might I also point out that the guy that started this thread did so because of his ongoing fantasies about a right-wing coup being successful, having obtained support of the US military and that the only way to avoid such a thing would have been to capitulate to Trump and simply let him continue being president while suggesting the democrats abdicate office so as to appease the right-wing terrorists so they wouldn't feel they would have to resort to violence to get their way. None of which happened.

    Mod Edit: Regardless of how this thread started, it was the first and primary place most users chose for discussing recent events. It was also where we initially re-routed threads before new ones rose and began dispersing the topic again. The OP/title were edited to make the topic focused. As for bad-faith posts, like any other thread please report and carry on.
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    Hmmm sacrifice/snitch on your family & loved ones after spending all summer screaming "ACAB"... yup that Patriot Act is going to be celebrated by today's libs, and most will work pro-bono to help it along.







    The coming Public-Private Partnership Panopticon of mass surveillance and snitching is one heck of a way for the US to go under but I guess it was inevitable. Once that new Patriot Act gets in and we can finally bring the failed War on Terror home to fail and fuck up this country directly, its one heck of a decade coming for the US. Once more, without a hint of irony, all those people who last summer were saying "ACAB" and Abolish the Police will be happy Janissaroes and unpaid cops for the new Patriot Act. Mark my words on that one, you can take that to the bank.
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

  17. #1977
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    -More utter and complete bullshit-
    Why don't you think you should turn in murderous fascists?

    Jesus, you are just as bad as the poster calling for civil war every 15 min. People who support ethnic cleansing, don't get to whine about authoritarian government.

    Respond, if you disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Hmmm sacrifice/snitch on your family & loved ones after spending all summer screaming "ACAB"... yup that Patriot Act is going to be celebrated by today's libs, and most will work pro-bono to help it along.



    The coming Public-Private Partnership Panopticon of mass surveillance and snitching is one heck of a way for the US to go under but I guess it was inevitable. Once that new Patriot Act gets in and we can finally bring the failed War on Terror home to fail and fuck up this country directly, its one heck of a decade coming for the US. Once more, without a hint of irony, all those people who last summer were saying "ACAB" and Abolish the Police will be happy Janissaroes and unpaid cops for the new Patriot Act. Mark my words on that one, you can take that to the bank.

    Wait snitching on people breaking the law is now a liberal thing and bad??? After a decade + of the republicans and trump trying to get people to snitch on Obama, Biden and Hillary to name a few.....

    holy hell the flip.....
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    These are private businesses who have decided to stop platforming Nazi trash. If you really don't like it, then start your own site, and platform them.
    Trump wrote a lot of stupid things on his twitter, but none of them were Nazi trash. Try to filter propaganda that flows into your ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Hmmm sacrifice/snitch on your family & loved ones after spending all summer screaming "ACAB"... yup that Patriot Act is going to be celebrated by today's libs, and most will work pro-bono to help it along.

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    The coming Public-Private Partnership Panopticon of mass surveillance and snitching is one heck of a way for the US to go under but I guess it was inevitable. Once that new Patriot Act gets in and we can finally bring the failed War on Terror home to fail and fuck up this country directly, its one heck of a decade coming for the US. Once more, without a hint of irony, all those people who last summer were saying "ACAB" and Abolish the Police will be happy Janissaroes and unpaid cops for the new Patriot Act. Mark my words on that one, you can take that to the bank.
    You just sound salty that the coup didn't work.
    Reporting violent criminals to the authorities isn't a bad thing.

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