seeing how much people are brining up Germany's fall to nazism, and Arnold brings that up in this
gonna link it
seeing how much people are brining up Germany's fall to nazism, and Arnold brings that up in this
gonna link it
"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
between you claiming your not an American and not able to vote, then claiming you did vote
and your blaming democrats for the problems you then chastise them for failing in their attempts to fix those problems due to GOP blockage
Why should ANYONE not see you as posting extremely in bad faith?
"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
What on earth are you on about?
The rules haven't been significantly updated for decades and the push to change them to tackle tax evasion has been a very recent thing. Obama signed the US up onto the BEPS reform process during the tail end of his tenure but that's about it. His adminstration had little input into the process because the work was primarily done during the Trump admininstration, and they fought against it. So no, the democrats didn't try and fail, they didn't have the opportunity to do so.
"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
this ladies and gents is whats called putting words in peoples mouths.
you can see how in his brain hes taken me saying "things back then were more complicated" and showing areas nazis were adn were not censored as defending the people who supported him, not that i was ever talking about the nazis who supported him in the early days, as i have never referenced them only taked about the german people and state at large during that time.
this is what i call self rightousness to the point of ideocy and it leads to the sweeping generelaisations of history we see often today, generalisations that are extreamly dangerous because the omit the true lessons of that history, hittler was censored but not all that much, same as the communists, there was greater censorship as revolutionary partys and as elction parties they got a free pass, but what mehrunes seems adamant to obfusticate is the nature of hitler's propoganda to the wider people of german, and what made that so dangerous is how bog standard that propoganda was for many nations at that time and is still used in ways to this day be "legitimate" parties in many nations.
its a form of self soothing really in a way, beliving as mehrunes does gives him a feeling of safty that some how he will be able to see perfectly the next hittler or musloini, but that isnt the reality.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...results-due-to
When Republican lawmakers are terrified of their violent, mobbish, murderous constituents, apparently.Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.) said while some GOP members of Congress "share responsibility" for misleading the supporters of President Trump who stormed the U.S. Capitol last week, others feared physical violence if they opposed objections to the 2020 election results.
"They were being lied to. They were being misled," he said of the demonstrators. "Some of my colleagues in Congress, they share responsibility for that. Many of them were fundraising off of this Stop the Steal grift."
But other Republicans, he argued in an interview with the libertarian magazine Reason, "had legitimate concerns about the safety of their families. They felt that that vote would put their families in danger."
Those lawmakers, he said, knew in their "heart of hearts that they should've voted to certify," but voted to support objections to the results of election results in Pennsylvania and Arizona due to fears that members of their families could face retaliation.
This is the worst attempt I've seen to justify their support of an insurrectionist mob yet.
I'm pretty convinced the Republican party is just becoming the party of Neville Chamberlain.
Lets remember that there are other threads for some of the discussion going on here, so we can stay on topic to recent events.
The thread is getting a bit jumbled.
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thats right and has been the case or at least in america should have been the case since the end of ww2. but what im pointing out is
1. censorship only works on the blatent and obvious. and the blatent and obvious arnt the type were worryed about being elected.
2. like trump when it becomes blatent and obvious for censorship to step, its sualy to late, the horse has already bolted.
3. the dangerous ones are the ones who use traditonal political propoganda and coded dogwhistles, things that even with heavy censorship often slip through.
4. with the above it then becomes alot more complicated, if facist are using political propoganda like conservative family values, religeon, anti elites and anti globalisation to recruit and get elected, then to be effective against them you have to start censoring at that point, not after there in office like trump and have become blatent in there incitments, but then that makes a problem in its self as anti globalisation is also a position of many left wing parties and anti elites as well, if you go to that level the same censorship that would have blocked trump would also have hit the wall street protests, its all more complicated than people want to think about.
5. and the final point i raise about censorship is power, censorship only happens from power down, people can petition power to censor but its is those in a position of power who only have that ability, that makes it by its nature a dangerous and unreliable tool for the proletariat to rely on in the fight against facism.
those are my general points on censorship as a concept. for what it is, it works well in generality and in stoping the blatent, but as a tool to prevent future trumps i wouldnt place any faith in it.
theres a similar debate in the uk about it in regards to the labour party and antisematism and if some of the MP's should have been banned from twitter, so its a wide and complex topic and issue that trancends america and trump as specific cases.
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this thread predates the capitol hill event by a number of days, and is a general topic on insurection and the potantial for insurection happening in the USA, its not a specific instance or recent event thread.
this thread was created Jan 01, 2021, the storming of the capitol of the USA was January 6, 2021.
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I think it might be better to keep the specific capitol invasion thread open to house that specific discussion. This thread has just kind of become a generic circle-jerk of... well, I don't really know what. Mainly bad-faith concern trolls posing as Americans and posters from Europe arguing with one another, interspersed with actual legitimate news about the capitol invasion.
Might I also point out that the guy that started this thread did so because of his ongoing fantasies about a right-wing coup being successful, having obtained support of the US military and that the only way to avoid such a thing would have been to capitulate to Trump and simply let him continue being president while suggesting the democrats abdicate office so as to appease the right-wing terrorists so they wouldn't feel they would have to resort to violence to get their way. None of which happened.
Mod Edit: Regardless of how this thread started, it was the first and primary place most users chose for discussing recent events. It was also where we initially re-routed threads before new ones rose and began dispersing the topic again. The OP/title were edited to make the topic focused. As for bad-faith posts, like any other thread please report and carry on.
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Hmmm sacrifice/snitch on your family & loved ones after spending all summer screaming "ACAB"... yup that Patriot Act is going to be celebrated by today's libs, and most will work pro-bono to help it along.
The coming Public-Private Partnership Panopticon of mass surveillance and snitching is one heck of a way for the US to go under but I guess it was inevitable. Once that new Patriot Act gets in and we can finally bring the failed War on Terror home to fail and fuck up this country directly, its one heck of a decade coming for the US. Once more, without a hint of irony, all those people who last summer were saying "ACAB" and Abolish the Police will be happy Janissaroes and unpaid cops for the new Patriot Act. Mark my words on that one, you can take that to the bank.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
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