Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Poopymonster]

going to Alamo is a bit on the fucking nose.

Was he in the basement of the Alamo?

[dextersmith]

That and it shows that our leaders would be held somewhat accountable for their actions. As far as I'm concerned, it is about him not being able to hold public office ever again.

Why wasn't the first impeachment enough to disqualify him running for office again?

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- Loses 200k pension for the rest of his life
- Loses his $1million/year travel allowance
- Loses lifetime full Secret Service detail
- Loses his ability to run again as President

If the first impeachment didn't take that away, why would the second?

[Breccia]

Long drive through the snow and sun today (yeah, upstate NY is like that). Did I miss anything?

Doing more time with his family.

...yep, that'll do.

By the way, NBC News reports Pence and Trump haven't spoken since the murderous insurrection. Normally five days of no communication between coworkers isn't a big deal. Normally the business isn't on fire.

[DarkTZeratul]

Why wasn't the first impeachment enough to disqualify him running for office again?
If the first impeachment didn't take that away, why would the second?

Because it's a penalty for being convicted on the articles of impeachment and removed from office, which the Republicans in the Senate refused to do.

[gondrin]

Why wasn't the first impeachment enough to disqualify him running for office again?

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If the first impeachment didn't take that away, why would the second?

Because the Senate never voted to remove him from office and did a second vote to disallow him from ever holding office. Impeachment is a multi part and vote process. The Articles of Impeachment start in the house and get voted on. That is basically a vote on the evidence that was found and documented in said Articles. If it passes, said Articles then go sent to the Senate to be voted on there. There are 2 votes in the Senate. One for removal(basically you've been fired and requires 2/3 of the sitting chamber) and one for disqualification to ever hold office(this one requires a simple majority and has to be taken up after the first vote). Note on the disqualification, that isn't automatic and someone has to put it forth in the Senate to be voted on.

[Waniou]

Why wasn't the first impeachment enough to disqualify him running for office again?

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If the first impeachment didn't take that away, why would the second?

Yeah people need to stop implying this. If impeachment disqualified you from running for office, Trump would already not be eligible. Impeachment AND conviction can lead to being disqualified for running for office.

[gondrin]

Doing more time with his family.

[Breccia]

Stripe just dropped the Trump campaign and will no longer process payments.

Yeah...but I'd bet someone else picked up the tab by now.

(Googles "Trump campaign site")

...huh.

(Googles Trump campaign site)

...huh. Seven links down. That's odd. Looks like they're still taking donations and giving away 2020 yard signs. Now, let's find that campaign store.

Well there's the "Donate money directly" button, where's the merch store...

Huh...hey guys? Can anyone find the link to Trump merch on Trump's campaign site?

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Trump orders flags flown at half madst, staff, or whatever the term is.

"What's wrong with that?"

Honestly, nothing. Coulda been a day earlier, but I'm sure he has a lot on his plate. Because he's so fat. It's a joke.

No really, everyone should lower their flags. Dude joins Liviu Librescu in modern American heroes.

[Poopymonster]

Why wasn't the first impeachment enough to disqualify him running for office again?

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If the first impeachment didn't take that away, why would the second?

There are a few parts to impeachment.
House impeachment proceedings. If yes they are impeached and it goes to the Senate, if no then nothing.
Senate votes to remove the impeached person. If no then nothing happens except they are impeached, if yes they are removed and a second vote is held.
Second Senate vote: If no nothing additional happens and they are still impeached and removed from office, if yes they are unable to run for office and lose some if not all of their x-pres benefits.

[DarkTZeratul]

It CAN be a penalty. They vote to remove from office and if that's successful they then vote whether or not the person can hold office again.

Okay, technically yes, but the important thing with regards to Dexter's question is that it requires him to be convicted first, which he wasn't.

[Blur4stuff]

I wonder how many times Trump has loaded twitter on his phone to see if he could post again.

[PhaelixWW]

He was no great shakes.

I was referring to Polonius, not Shakespeare, though.

[dextersmith]

I was wondering the same when I saw the capitol pictures. What exactly did they think would happen lol. Congress was just there to look at the results and say yeah so there's that congrats Biden. But some rednecks storm the Capitol and congress... what... says "well now you're here Trump remains president" the end? My sides hurt laughing.



To show the world that actions have consequences.

You know, I'm looking from Germany and wonder for the last 4 years how any other government could even do business with the USA seeing how her president lies when he opens his mouth. I thought yeah well there'll be another and maybe we'll get more stable relationships.

Now that the president has incited violent sedition/insurrection or whatever the correct term is and will not get removed from office? Why the fuck would any other country believe anything your congress says? If the president can do whatever he wants without checks and balances then why even trust Biden.

It's been a shitshow and if the US wants to be seen as a shining light in the dark again it really must sort it out. And that includes kicking a coup inciter to the curb.

People here speak of consequences etc. but there were none in actuality from the first impeachment, nothing practical anyway. That's why the terrorist was able to do this. He was left to reign.

[masterhorus8]

People here speak of consequences etc. but there were none in actuality from the first impeachment, nothing practical anyway. That's why the terrorist was able to do this. He was left to reign.

That's the difference though. Impeachment itself doesn't do shit aside from leave an asterisk next to the name. It's the conviction from the Senate that's needed to do anything, which was never done last time because "he was doing what was best for the country!" (fucking l o l)

It has to go through impeachment to get to the conviction. One step at a time.

[Kaleredar]

People here speak of consequences etc. but there were none in actuality from the first impeachment, nothing practical anyway. That's why the terrorist was able to do this. He was left to reign.

Trump being the first president to be impeached twice seems mighty fine to me, even if it is just an "asterisk." Because as the decades roll on it'll be an important footnote in the history books to communicate just how terrible he was. And neither of his impeachments will be for something as unimportant as "lied about getting a blowjob"

[Benggaul]

Keeping this one streamlined since it's an underreport day (tomorrow as well, as per usual).

213,453 new cases, about 12k more than last Sunday (which was also the highest-totaling Sunday on record previously). Missouri and Michigan are late to report, so that will go up several thousand.

Oklahoma and Virginia both had new records.

1,792 deaths is over 200 more than the highest-totaling Sunday on record from a few weeks ago (of this latest wave) and brings the national total to 383,275.

Stay safe, folks.

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*snipped video*

No. Don't make it easy for them. If they can't recognize a parody to a brilliant piece of music then that's on them. :P

[For_The_Horde]

Remember when we didn't have to worry about the outgoing President trying to overthrow the government, or pardon all his (criminal) friends/self, or damage democracy in ways that might take years or decades to heal? I miss those days...



(and republicans were ALL IN on impeaching him)

[dextersmith]

Okay, technically yes, but the important thing with regards to Dexter's question is that it requires him to be convicted first, which he wasn't.

I don't think he will be this time either.

[Kaleredar]

Remember when we didn't have to worry about the outgoing President trying to overthrow the government, or pardon all his (criminal) friends/self, or damage democracy in ways that might take years or decades to heal? I miss those days...



(and republicans were ALL IN on impeaching him)

But but but remember, he cheated on his wife! We can't have a president who's disloyal to their spouse!

[Corvus]

But but but remember, he cheated on his wife! We can't have a president who's disloyal to their spouse!

Probably be hard to find a president who didn't cheat on his wife. With Clinton, wasn't it that he lied under oath about it (I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky) that saw him impeached, rather than the cheating?