For those who don't know the name, Adelson was a big GOP donor. He was also a casino owner, but unlike Trump, a successful one.
He endorsed Trump in 2017 and donated eight or nine figures to Trump and the GOP during that race.
For those who don't know the name, Adelson was a big GOP donor. He was also a casino owner, but unlike Trump, a successful one.
He endorsed Trump in 2017 and donated eight or nine figures to Trump and the GOP during that race.
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The only thing that gets those octogenarian vampires' claws off the wheel of state is the inevitable scythe of fucking death, apparently. We won't truly be rid of the sins of the 20th Century until the last rich fucking fossil is planted in the dirt where they belong.
You'd think that maybe the fact they're 10,000 years old and clearly going to die soon might give them the luxury of a conscience. But no, they're still busy fighting back against the Civil Rights movement...
I don't know if this topic was covered.
So on Jan 7th, the Dispatch broke a story with yet more leaked audio. Giuliani was attempting to contact Alabama Senator Tuberville to get him to delay certification.
"Clearly this is a Fake News rigged liberal lying media source."We need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you.
And I know they're reconvening at 8 tonight, but it ... the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow, ideally until the end of tomorrow.
I know we would delay you a lot, but it would give us the opportunity to get the legislators who are very, very close to pulling their vote.
Right-leaning High-factual source.
"Wow, Tuberville ratted Giuliani out?"
Um...no. Giuliani called the wrong office and left a voice message. Whoever it was ratted Giuliani out instantly.
"What was the information that Giuliani had at the end of 'tomorrow'?"
Nothing and/or irrelevant. The murderous insurrection ate the entire news cycle plus the legal, honest vote was certified.
"That kind of sounds like election interference."
It sounds a lot like election interference. Giuliani will likely either deny the tape was him, which will be interesting because phone records are a thing, and also say "I was just trying to get valuable information into their hands" which I'm pretty sure isn't a legally acceptable reason. For example, if the cop tries to pull you over and your drivers' license is at home, leading the cop on a 30-mile chase to your house doesn't seem like a good idea.
It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton
Fucking Gym Socks Jordan still won't say the election was fair.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
I guess this thread is over now. Instead we talk in the Insurrection/Rebellion thread. You know, as every other election before this one.
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
I shouldn't be surprised that you missed the point, entirely.
Not everything is about a "voting bloc". People can have some aspects of shared ideals, shared identity, and shared concerns, even if they're a part of polar opposite voting blocs. You've been given examples of such. If you can't muster the mental capacity to understand them, that's on you.
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
Can you please explain how that would happen as currently that is not a worry and sitting around with a crappy system because “but what if the majority...” is unproductive.
Is there any reasonable quantifiable justification for why you suddenly think in a moment like this with the environment the way it is and the majority sentiment being that we need to take it seriously. Will suddenly decide to turn into polluters?
Please consider that much of what pushes the anti green issues and anti pollution issues comes from lobbying.
It is productive, it remains a serious concern. Demographics change. Populations move.
Sure, because the "majority" will not always be pro-environment, or your preferred flavor of pro-environment.
I'd rather shoot for campaign finance reform to remove the corrupting influence of money and end the multi-year political campaigns, personally. More effective, better results.
And what proof do you have of this. What proof do you have of the majority suddenly radically flipping their positions?
We have a lot of evidence to the contrary and yet you sit here worrying about a hypothetical that has poor support other than “opinions change over time”.
Radical change needed for the climate crisis doesn’t happen why? Because the majority doesn’t have much of an absolute say. Because we must court small states that have interest entirely in opposition to solving the issue.
I mean, I literally jumped into this conversation by saying:
That's hardly the ringing endorsement you're suggesting. After that it's been mostly pushing back against the idea that "it's just land voting!", which is just asinine.
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Who the heck said "suddenly"?
But also, how did an almost-majority vote (not just once, but twice) for a narcissistic, racist, climate-change denying, criminal turd?
The majority doesn't have to "radically flip" anything if they're no longer the majority, suddenly or otherwise.
Should I remind you again, since you ignored it last time, that the GoP has controlled the House of Representatives for 20 of the last 26 years? And despite everything with Trump, the Democrats only barely held on again for the next two years.
You're doing your best to imply that the views that you hate will never be in power if the system of government was solely a representative one. But that's directly contradicted by the evidence.
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
None. But that's the kind of like, forward thinking/looking to the future one should do when thinking about a system of governance, my dude.
You don't create a system that's designed for the "current moment" without a care or concern about the future.
Because they do. The evidence to the contrary is that the system that exists now works, just not how you want it to. The bigger problem remains the excessive corrupting influence of money in politics, not that Rhode Island has two senators like California.
No, because most of the politicians (including a great many Democrats) have too many vested financial interests with companies that benefit from the status quo.
Again, campaign finance reform is the best way to tackle that problem.
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Oh look, one doesn't even need to look to the future to prove the point. Weird.
Now that the election is over, how much money was spent on the election in 2020?
Combined Presidential and Congressional (Senate & House) races spending was 14 billion dollars. More than double 2016. The biggest increase in election spending in the history of the United States.
Democratic candidates and groups have spent $6.9 billion, compared to $3.8 billion for Republicans. Democrats' spending falls to $5.5 billion when excluding spending by billionaire presidential candidates Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer.
With the exception of real estate, donors in the top 10 industries by political donation preferred Democrats over Republican by a large margin.
At the end, Trump still out-raised Biden by 0.27 billion. Keeping in mind that Trump never really stopped fund raising since he won the election. While Biden did not start fund raising till mid to late half of 2019.
By state, California ranked #1 on both Biden’s and Trump’s tally books for the race for the presidency.
Three California counties ranked in the top 10 on Trump side - Los Angeles County (#1), Orange County (#2), and, to my eternal shame, San Diego County (#7).
Four California counties ranked in the top 10 on Biden side - Los Angeles County (#2), San Francisco County (#4), Santa Clara and San Mateo Counties (#9 and #10). LA lose the #1 position to NY by $21,000.
Per capita, for Biden DC is #1 with $39,832.70 per 1,000 people, followed by NY, SF and San Mateo. On Trump side, Palm Beach County (FL) with $10,124.12 per 100,000 people, followed NY and Harris County were #1, #2 and #3. In that order.
Small donors made up 22.4% of funding source. Up from 15.19% in 2016.
Outside spending went ballistic. Independent expenditure hit 2.6B, double of 2016.
To quote Sarah Bryner, research director at the Center for Responsive Politics,ActBlue broke all kind of records by raising 4.6 billion during the 2020 election cycle. Think about that for a second. A single group raised 32% of the fund spent during the 2020 election.“When Citizens United was decided 10 years ago, conservatives were the quickest to jump on the newly permissible outside groups as a way to facilitate huge donations. Now, liberal groups have more than made up the difference and are taking advantage of every opportunity available to get their message out.”
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