Deplatform Parler good or bad?

[Krakan]

Nationalising the media to ensure messaging is government-approved is more akin to right-wing fascism and authoritarianism in general, not socialist theory.

True it's why I think the system although flawed works best when platforms are kept open. I don't find handing over the reigns of the most useful and effective means of spreading information should be in the hands of those owning a monopoly on the platforms. This goes doubly true with how third party sites offering a more liberal platform have their means of doing business pulled from them by most creditors crippling them from doing transactions.

I won't ever really understand this desire to attack free speech and pretending its different because a corporation is doing it instead of a political entity.

[postman1782]

True it's why I think the system although flawed works best when platforms are kept open. I don't find handing over the reigns of the most useful and effective means of spreading information should be in the hands of those owning a monopoly on the platforms. This goes doubly true with how third party sites offering a more liberal platform have their means of doing business pulled from them by most creditors crippling them from doing transactions.

I won't ever really understand this desire to attack free speech and pretending its different because a corporation is doing it instead of a political entity.

Again, you break the ToS of a platform, you will be removed. Do you go into Walmart thinking you can yell random shit and not get kicked out? Same fucking thing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think the most hilarious part about these right wingers getting their panties in a knot over losing their social media space, is that even if corporations weren't in control, and the people were, or the government, they'd STILL be losing their platform to issue death threats and calls to violence.

[draynay]

I won't ever really understand this desire to attack free speech and pretending its different because a corporation is doing it instead of a political entity.

Your lack of understanding has always been clear, hopefully nobody wastes their time trying to explain something you'll never understand.

[Egomaniac]

I won't ever really understand this desire to attack free speech and pretending its different because a corporation is doing it instead of a political entity.

There is no attack on Free Speech.

Your Rights do not include a Twitter Account.

[kamuimac]

There is no attack on Free Speech.

Your Rights do not include a Twitter Account.

the moment twitter and fb became tools that influence the outcome of elections you cannot say this anymore.

social media have atm much bigger influence on how people vote then traditional mass-media.

you may not like Trump - but his victory in previous elections was possible only because of influence that Cambridge Analitica , same with Brexit - without social media none of those would happen .

you cant have freedom of speach without freedom of access to social media.

thats exacly what china are doing - they are censoring inernet - and the same started atm in US with huge apploud of democrats who dont even notice they are making their own gallows with this move.

and becouse of what ? because a stunt of man-bear-pig who stormed the capitol with crowd of similiar clowns to busy making selfies to care what they are doing , and building wasnt protected by a single policeman / fbi agent after whole day of protests - suddenly whole police dissapeared from DC that day ? i mean come on .

[Egomaniac]

the moment twitter and fb became tools that influence the outcome of elections you cannot say this anymore.
social media have atm much bigger influence on how people vote then traditional mass-media.

If people are getting their political opinions fed to them 280 characters at a time...it's no wonder the world is in the state it is in.

you may not like Trump - but his victory in previous elections was possible only because of influence that Cambridge Analitica , same with Brexit - without social media none of those would happen .

That's not really a negative.

Also, they said the same thing about JFK after he beat Nixon....that he only won because he looked better on TV.

you cant have freedom of speach without freedom of access to social media.

Yes, you can. You can't go into McDonalds and start screaming at the staff without being kicked out.

If you want to be in Twitter's house...play by twitters rules.

thats exacly what china are doing - they are censoring inernet - and the same started atm in US with huge apploud of democrats who dont even notice they are making their own gallows with this move.

Chinas GOVERNMENT is censoring the internet. Twitter is not a branch of the Government

and becouse of what ?

Because he incited violence. Even if twitter were covered by the first amendment...it would still not be free speech.

And BTW...5 people died in that attack...including a police man.

[Xyonai]

So, again, for the people in the back: Is the talking point 'Big Government needs to step in and force these companies to host people they don't want in a violation of their first amendment rights' or is it 'Big Government should wholly own all means of communication because the free market clearly can't be trusted'?

I really wanna know which Conservative talking point they're backing down on this time because someone dared hold violent right wingers remotely accountable for their shitty behavior.

[postman1782]

the moment twitter and fb became tools that influence the outcome of elections you cannot say this anymore.

social media have atm much bigger influence on how people vote then traditional mass-media.

you may not like Trump - but his victory in previous elections was possible only because of influence that Cambridge Analitica , same with Brexit - without social media none of those would happen .

you cant have freedom of speach without freedom of access to social media.

thats exacly what china are doing - they are censoring inernet - and the same started atm in US with huge apploud of democrats who dont even notice they are making their own gallows with this move.

and becouse of what ? because a stunt of man-bear-pig who stormed the capitol with crowd of similiar clowns to busy making selfies to care what they are doing , and building wasnt protected by a single policeman / fbi agent after whole day of protests - suddenly whole police dissapeared from DC that day ? i mean come on .

Actually we can. Because unless you are going to turn communist and seize someone else's property, you cannot just go anywhere on the internet and not be banned for saying bullshit like Trump did.

[Stelio Kontos]

Oh the irony.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/12/uganda...d-of-election/

President Yoweri Museveni, 76, apologized for the inconvenience caused by the ban, but said Uganda had no choice after Facebook removed several accounts tied to his reelection campaign.

“If you want to take sides against the (ruling party), then that group will not operate in Uganda,” he said in a national address.

...

Twitter's response: “We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet,” it said in a statement.

“Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.”

How can twitter be so tone deaf and cry about access to twitter being a human right?

[szechuan]

Oh the irony.

Twitter's response: “We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet,” it said in a statement.

“Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.”

How can twitter be so tone deaf and cry about access to twitter being a human right?

Twitter didn't shut down the internet.

[Stelio Kontos]

Twitter didn't shut down the internet.

Neither did Uganda. They just blocked twitter and Facebook.

[Egomaniac]

Neither did Uganda. They just blocked twitter and Facebook.

Which is a very different thing than Twitter banning someone inciting violence....

[Shalcker]

So, again, for the people in the back: Is the talking point 'Big Government needs to step in and force these companies to host people they don't want in a violation of their first amendment rights' or is it 'Big Government should wholly own all means of communication because the free market clearly can't be trusted'?

As far as my opinion is concerned Big Government should either force Cloud Providers into utility status or break them up/force interoprability so that none of them achieves market dominance and swaps between them when one denies service are feasible.

[postman1782]

As far as my opinion is concerned Big Government should either force Cloud Providers into utility status or break them up/force interoprability so that none of them achieves market dominance and swaps between them when one denies service are feasible.

Good luck with that, again, you don't know our laws or constitution, and no one cares what you think should happen.

[szechuan]

Neither did Uganda. They just blocked twitter and Facebook.

Wrong.







https://qz.com/africa/1957137/uganda...polls-opening/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...netblocks-says

[Machismo]

Leftism socialism?? Felya had it right the first time when he mentioned utilities

Dont tell me you are going to call utilities socialism now (_-_)

I'm calling you a socialist.

If you want all websites and stores to be deemed utilities... then we have a problem. If you are going to deem ever single company that offers cloud computing services a utility, then it sounds like you want to nationalize complete industries to me.

Imagine being so determined to support Trump, that you go full socialist... Shall I introduce you to your entire disingenuous posting history? Your hatred of capitalism is noted.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Neither did Uganda. They just blocked twitter and Facebook.

As someone already pointed out, your source conveniently left out the more important information: Uganda cut off internet access for its populace, Facebook and Twitter being down are merely consequences of that.

This is why using a tabloid as your primary source is generally not a good idea.

[Krakan]

Again, you break the ToS of a platform, you will be removed. Do you go into Walmart thinking you can yell random shit and not get kicked out? Same fucking thing.

I mean they are drastically different but if you can't grasp that there isnt going to be much of a discussion.

[Timester]

I mean they are drastically different but if you can't grasp that there isnt going to be much of a discussion.

Except is practically the same. Twitter is not your entitled platform.