Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Endus]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

I support democratic rule of law.

If that's "tyranny of the majority", the only alternatives are "tyranny of some minority".

So you're just wrong. They're terrorists. And you're a terrorist apologist. Because that's all you're doing; pushing apologism for brutal, violent terrorists. You are opposed to democracy, you are opposed to civil rights and freedoms, you are opposed to rule of law, you're just pushing straight fascism and projecting your own ideological failures onto everyone else.

[Felya]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

Why you all stop talking about your silent majority? What happened to that? Funny change of pace you got there...

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If that's "tyranny of the majority", the only alternatives are "tyranny of some minority".

It’s projecting... did everyone forget how we were all going to be under the iron first of the silent majority?

[zealo]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

They're terrorists, the US is a democracy where they can make their voices heard through all sorts of more civil means without fear of government crackdown on those rights, not a repressive authoritarian regime.

[Krakan]

I support democratic rule of law.

If that's "tyranny of the majority", the only alternatives are "tyranny of some minority".

So you're just wrong. They're terrorists. And you're a terrorist apologist. Because that's all you're doing; pushing apologism for brutal, violent terrorists. You are opposed to democracy, you are opposed to civil rights and freedoms, you are opposed to rule of law, you're just pushing straight fascism and projecting your own ideological failures onto everyone else.

I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

I agree with you entering and occupying a state building while armed is terrorism I see a lot of the same people covering for BLM who if the situation was reversed would be calling this a peaceful protest.

I know your first instinct is going to be to decry they are not the same and I agree but it's hard to get outraged over political violence after years of it.

I don't really have any complaints so far with how charges are being handled I wouldn't agree to charging everyone involved the same that being said.

[pathora44]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

So what are you saying? That after Nov 3rd election and the votes are tallied and the winner is declared that then the loser must be given the presidency? Jesus Christ, you Trumpkins constantly bitch and cry about how Biden and the Democrats are socialist or are going to make the U.S. into a communist wonderland. That has to be the most communist thing out of anyone's mouth since Karl Marx read the first words from his manifesto. Oh wait I forgot socialism is good as long as it helps wealthy white people but when it helps anyone else then it is bad, especially those dirty dirty poor people and minorities.

[fwc577]

The only way that doesn't happen is if someone is in position to stop it.

If Democrats are killed, the ones investigating are the ones who set it in motion.

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Or they would get pardons or the investigations would be dropped by Trump if he somehow managed to stop the electoral count.

Trump wouldn't be doing the investigations. DOJ (Republican) and Congress (Republican) would be doing the "investigations"

[Omega10]

I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

I agree with you entering and occupying a state building while armed is terrorism I see a lot of the same people covering for BLM who if the situation was reversed would be calling this a peaceful protest.

I know your first instinct is going to be to decry they are not the same and I agree but it's hard to get outraged over political violence after years of it.

I don't really have any complaints so far with how charges are being handled I wouldn't agree to charging everyone involved the same that being said.

Yes we are VERY tired of double standards. Proud Boys go to BLM protests, commit violent acts and partially get away with it and work hard to blame their violence on BLM.

BLM and Antifa do NOT go to the Trump Supporter Riots where Trump supporters actually stormed the capitol, with racist police officers helping the terrorists, and yet people try to blame this on BLM/Antifa. Trump supporters around the country are currently talking about overthrowing the government of the US and preventing Biden from becoming the President on Wednesday, and Trump and the Pillow guy apparently have discussed imposing Martial Law presumably for the same purpose. Trump is desperate enough to try.

You are used to winning these kinds of political interactions. SEE BLM DID NOT STOP TRUMP SUPPORTERS FROM RIOTING AND LOOTING DURING THEIR PROTESTS, BLM IS JUST AS BAD AS THE TERRORISTS THAT STORMED THE CAPITAL. And yes, there IS footage of racist cops inciting violence during BLM protests.

[Endus]

I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

I agree with you entering and occupying a state building while armed is terrorism I see a lot of the same people covering for BLM who if the situation was reversed would be calling this a peaceful protest.

Nah. You're just lying. You can't possibly actually believe this is true.

I know your first instinct is going to be to decry they are not the same and I agree but it's hard to get outraged over political violence after years of it.

They aren't the same.

You're comparing largely peaceful protests to the worst attack on the US Capitol since 1814. You've lost touch with reality if you can't see the difference.

All you're doing is trying to dishonestly "both sides" the situation, to pretend that left-wing violence is even in the same zip code as right-wing violence in the USA.

It isn't.

Factually, objectively. This isn't a matter of opinion.

[Omega10]

To quote Cubby: HOLY SHIT. I hope this is what it seems to me at first glance.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sasse-cap...203728463.html

Title: Sasse: Capitol Rioters ‘Weren’t Drunks Who Got Rowdy — They Were Terrorists’

FIRST THING I NOTICE: This is sources as being published by The National Review. That's pretty far right no?

Excerpt:

Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) on Friday called for the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol last week to be “prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” saying those who participated in the unrest that left five dead were “terrorists attacking this country’s constitutionally-mandated transfer of power.”

The rest of the article is a pretty good defense of this position.

[Shalcker]

Yo max blumental is a fucking baddie no wonder you suffer from such information poisoning

What particularly poisonous do you see in that article?

I remember you have allergy to him for some reason, but it was one of more in-depth looks into this particular guy.

[Omega10]

An interesting article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/online-fa...215000078.html

Title: Online far-right movements fracture in wake of Capitol riot over 'gullible' QAnon believers

Online far-right movements are splintering in the wake of last week’s Capitol riot, as some radical anti-government movements show signs of disillusionment with the relatively hands-off approach of some QAnon conspiracy theorists amid warnings of future violence.

Users on forums that openly helped coordinate the Jan. 6 riot and called for insurrection, including 4chan and TheDonald, have become increasingly agitated with QAnon supporters, who are largely still in denial that President Donald Trump will no longer be in the Oval Office after Jan. 20.

QAnon adherents, who believe Trump is secretly saving the world from a cabal of child-eating Satanists, have identified Inauguration Day as a last stand, and falsely think he will force a 10-day, countrywide blackout that ends in the mass execution of his political enemies and a second Trump term.

Several QAnon supporters were arrested after storming the Capitol last week, including Jacob Chansley, whose lawyer said his client believed he was “answering the call of our president.”

According to researchers who study the real-life effects of the QAnon movement, the false belief in a secret plan for Jan. 20 is irking militant pro-Trump and anti-government groups, who believe the magical thinking is counterproductive to future insurrections.

Travis View, who hosts the QAnon-debunking podcast QAnon Anonymous, said Q supporters are waiting for a “miracle that prevents Biden from being inaugurated,” and it is beginning to grate on those anxious for more real-world conflict.

“This week has been hugely demoralizing so far and that will be the final straw,” he said. “Even though Q is at the moment based on Donald Trump, it is certainly possible for a significant faction to rise up that believes he was in the deep state all along and foiled the plan.”

I'm not sure what to make of this at this time. One of my first thoughts is: how could national security be so lax last Wednesday? One of my second thoughts is: this explains why so much military is being deployed for next week.

The news will be ... exciting ... next week.

[Shalcker]

Outside of Utah and him being unmasked there, what other violence?

Utah, Portland, DC.

Banished from Utah BLM after his bullshit. Banished from Portland. Banished from DC.

That's because he manages to do it everywhere.

He and his brother are just grifters by the looks of it, nothing more sophisticated than that. And his brothers grift seems to be much more successful outside of duping some low-effort CNN bookers, it's not selling with the progressive groups or BLM in the slightest.

It doesn't "sell" after he become more well-known, and even then not everyone is going to know him.

"Antifa has no leaders" means "any grifter can try to be one on the spot".

[Zeth Hawkins]

I'm not sure what to make of this at this time. One of my first thoughts is: how could national security be so lax last Wednesday? One of my second thoughts is: this explains why so much military is being deployed for next week.

The news will be ... exciting ... next week.

I remember hearing something about the mayor of DC and the capitol police themselves both turning down offers for reinforcements that day. Will double check this in the morning.

[Forogil]

I remember hearing something about the mayor of DC and the capitol police themselves both turning down offers for reinforcements that day. Will double check this in the morning.

"That day" is vague language.

It depends on when they requested it, and what information they had at that time.

Before that day it seems the both requested some reinforcements, and some government agency might have had more intel - that they possibly didn't share with them - for good or bad reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_s...States_Capitol indicates the Mayor had requested unarmed NG for crowd management and traffic handling, and it seems that chief Capitol Police had requested more NG for that day, but that congress Sergeants-at-Arms had said it was unnecessary. And also that Capitol Police had turned down offers of NG (likely based on inputs from the Sergeants-at-Arms).

So, it may be that they didn't see a need for more traffic cops from NG.

Is someone at fault for not planning for what happened? Yes.
Was that solely the job of DC Mayor or the head of capitol police on their own? No.

So, whose fault was it?

We might find out later. However, in general everyone will try to paint themselves in a positive light after this and put the blame on others; and it will be difficult to generate an accurate picture. Just because someone wrote something that could later be interpreted as indicating that this might happen, or offering some extra troops doesn't mean that they are free of blame.

More importantly we don't know what would have happened if more NG (or FBI or ...) had been deployed. Perhaps it would still not been enough. We have also seen some indications of police and officers joining ranks with rioters - if that had happened it could have been a lot worse. Perhaps it would have been a blood-bath and everyone would have called for the Mayor and head of Capitol police to resign for firing at a "peaceful" protests.

And by discussing the Mayor and the Capitol police we are missing the actual problem: the rioters themselves.

[gondrin]

Deep state?

More like...Sleep State...Amirite?

[Poopymonster]

If that is true this brings the events of Jan 6th to a whole new chilling level. It's one thing to have a bunch of angry rednecks get riled up by a speech and storm the capital, but it's entire another to have coordination with elected officials to go as far as disabling panic buttons.

If this is true they literally tried to murder their colleagues.

And, it begs the question -- how on EARTH did they think they wouldn't get caught?

Well they would eventually. BUT they'd have won, so they wouldn't be traitors or terrorists. They'd have been freedom fighters and patriots. No pardons needed since they'd be the ones who TOOK BACK OUR COUNTRY! Spreading Freedom! Defending Liberty! LET FREEBERTIES RING!

[Mihalik]

I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

Not all violent insurrections are inherently bad. Your purpose/intentions and objectives matter.

A violent insurrection to overthrow an oppressive dictatorship and to replace it with a democratic and just government is good.

A violent insurrection to overthrow a democratically elected government whose objectives include halting an ongoing pandemic, providing economic aid to the population, combating discrimination, racism and unfair oppressive policing and replace that with an unelected idiot fascist is bad.

See the fucking difference?

BLM/Antifa isn't trying to overthrow a democratically elected government/murder democratically elected officials etc.

Even at the height of the BLM protests even the most violent outbursts aimed at the government were directed towards specific material things, such as police stations with specific objectives primarily demanding an immediate end to ongoing violent/murderous policing techniques.

Fuck off with this both sides bullshit.

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So what are you saying? That after Nov 3rd election and the votes are tallied and the winner is declared that then the loser must be given the presidency? Jesus Christ, you Trumpkins constantly bitch and cry about how Biden and the Democrats are socialist or are going to make the U.S. into a communist wonderland. That has to be the most communist thing out of anyone's mouth since Karl Marx read the first words from his manifesto. Oh wait I forgot socialism is good as long as it helps wealthy white people but when it helps anyone else then it is bad, especially those dirty dirty poor people and minorities.

He's saying we can fuck off with our democracy bullshit and we must bow down to our fascist overlords.

[Ursus]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

You sound like you need to be on a watch list.

[Felya]

An interesting article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/online-fa...215000078.html

Title: Online far-right movements fracture in wake of Capitol riot over 'gullible' QAnon believers

Alex Jones went off on them as well. Called QAnon followers idiots, pretty much doing his yelling at leftist, but it was at QAnon. Shit like...‘You told us Trump was the messiah that couldn’t lose’...

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I remember hearing something about the mayor of DC and the capitol police themselves both turning down offers for reinforcements that day. Will double check this in the morning.

Any updates after double checking this morning?

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I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

Why did right wing media and GOP congressman claim this was Antifa, despite the overwhelming reality of what happened? Why did GOP have a bigger problem with people kneeling, than what happened on the 6th? You think if Trump supporters kneeled on the 6th, they would be called unAmerican attackers of the troops, US constitution or western culture it self?

Kneeling and storming the capitol having a similar response, is a clear double standard. Trump saying that he was against BLM, because he heard them chant ‘pigs in a blanket’, crated the whole Trump movement... that movement killing a cop, still had Trump claim he loves them.

The double standard is obvious... the question is... do you recognize you are being manipulated or is this further proof of how Trumpism has deteriorated discourse?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupa...ildlife_Refuge

[Bodakane]

You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

Did you just define democracy as "tyranny of the majority"?

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I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

I agree with you entering and occupying a state building while armed is terrorism I see a lot of the same people covering for BLM who if the situation was reversed would be calling this a peaceful protest.

I know your first instinct is going to be to decry they are not the same and I agree but it's hard to get outraged over political violence after years of it.

I don't really have any complaints so far with how charges are being handled I wouldn't agree to charging everyone involved the same that being said.

BLM never did that.

The Bundys did.
The anti maskers did.
BLM did not.
antifa did not.

There's 3 patterns to see here.
1. The left aren't terrorists.
2. The right very much are.
3. You continue to have extremely malleable and frankly pathetic standards.