Covenant Campaign Item Upgrades are Ridiculous

[Spike`]

You should actually get all 3 of them-- they are separate cooldowns. All my characters have them, extremely useful.

This isn't about making other players go through the same hardships we did to gear up. It's about obsoleting huge swathes of group and raid content. That is a problem.

i know, i have all 3. Was mention to other players to at least have 1 and have the Inn in your Covenant and no need for tier 3

spend the anima on other stuff in your Covenant that feel is more important (gear or other upgrades)

even Dalaran heartstone works and super fast to be in your capital city to Oribos

[cparle87]

YOu missed my point entirely. ONe, I never said of that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Two, all I am saying is that it would be better to spend your time/energy/anima on things that you still will be able to use after we leave this expansion. You still have a whole 1.5 years before the next one hits, so you have plenty of time to get all those cosmetics without touching any of the covenant upgrades. I would rather focus on the cosmetics than wasting all the anima for covenant upgrades that will be completely meaningless after the expansion and already don't mean much at all.

The exact opposite idea is equally valid. The gear upgrades are meaningful NOW while, as you said, you have all year to get the cosmetics.

[TyloBedo]

The covenant set also doesn’t include:

Neck
2 rings
2 trinkets
Weapons

That’s 6 out of 15 slots if you use a 2h wep that you’re missing. And considered weps and trinkets typically hold a lot of power, that is quite a bit.

You get a 194 weapon for completing the campaign IIRC.

[rhorle]

You get a 194 weapon for completing the campaign IIRC.

The campaigns give you a LFR token which is 187.

[Accendor]

EUhm the covenant campaign items go to 197 max itemlevel. Litteraly dog shit low items what are you complaining about exactly ?

I don't know man, I am a mythic raider and I ran around 50 m+ since launch (I know, not that much) AND play ranked PVP (not good tho), and for those were actually at least small upgrades in some slots.
Gear is rare if you are unlucky.

[rrayy]

We do though because the gear is meaningless. There isn't WotLK where you could clear a raid in Sunwell gear. You can get all the gear you need for an easier time to level by just playing a week or two prior to launch.

The gear isn't meaningless. By getting it at the beginning and as you go in teh expansion, you do not have to race the last 2 weeks to catch up. That means you don't feel forced to do that catch up content. The Pre-Shadowlands content I didn't care for. Thanks to having already gotten a good gear level during the expansion, I could ignore that content completely. Heck, I already had the mount since I got it from Utgarde Pinnacle years ago.

Right. Grateful offerings you can get at a trickle by buying one upgrade in the conductor. You just got down saying that gear has value in a new expansion because it makes leveling easier. Doesn't that mean that the Conductor upgrades have value because they make buying those cosmetics easier? Offerings have a limited supply when compared with anima. You can easily get 10k+ in anima a week right now.

No, because you can still get the cosmetics without it. IF you couldn't get the cosmetics without them, then they have high value. The fact that you don't need them to get the cosmetics and you don't need the cosmetics right away make it very low value.

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The exact opposite idea is equally valid. The gear upgrades are meaningful NOW while, as you said, you have all year to get the cosmetics.

Good thing I can work for both the gear and cosmetics at the same time. You aren't required to do one before the other. So, I will have both by the end of the expansion instead of being lesser geared and less cosmetics because I wasted time grinding Anima to max out optional covenant upgrades.

[odamienskii]

First time, eh?

These kind of short-term loot catch-up mechanisms have been in the game the last three expansions. If anything, you should be excited that more people will have higher item levels now as it means there will be more qualified players applying to the groups you're looking to push. But hey, you're free to have a cynical "dey tooked my loot" outlook too.

lol, not 2 weeks into the expac. entitled casual shitters undeservingly being given a leg up to gear that other people worked hard to earn, course they gonna be pissed they could of just slow mammoth walked round dala for 2 weeks and have the same gear as these crappers.

[Alubobz]

Alternatively you do dungeons with friends because you enjoy playing a video game with them. Unless you have no friends in which case....





L O L

My friends prefer to socialise in person. I been playing games for 33 years, it's a solo enjoyment thing for me for most of that... Besides the idea of doing the same dungeon over and over is not fun for me, I like a bit is variety in my life. Glad you are insecure enough in your own choices to feel the need to belittle people who you don't even know, it shows great strength of character

[nocturnus]

It's crazy to me how this week's covenant campaign upgrades are ilvl 197. I've been playing every day for the last month gearing up from campaign->normal->heroic->mythic->m+ and this week's covenant/PvP gear basically replaced everything except for a few pieces and now everyone is running around with the same gear and ilvl.

I used to start the week by running some low-mid mythic+ to raise my ilvl so I would have an easier time getting invited to higher m+ but this gear has put everyone on even footing and completely killed my motivation to do any m+. I feel like gearing up was a complete waste of time and I could have just bought the game a month later and been in the exact same spot I am now.

I signed up for an LFR today and was thinking what is the point of even doing this now? Why are the last 2 wings still time gated when the gear is completely worthless and replaced by doing a quest? There's also no point running mythics, low-mid mythic+, LFR, PvP for PvE, or World Quests for gear anymore.

Super disappointed.

Am I understanding you correctly if I say you're disappointed by the fact that others have an equally high ilvl as you?

If so, wow... Why would you even care?

[Jurani]

I spent 5k anima on a mount. I don't feel like any of the covenant upgrades are so important that losing 5k anima will really affect me long term. With them being gated behind souls that are weekly capped too it's even less of an issue.

I think you're going to find the anima gate a lot stronger going into the next few weeks. We just got an upgrade to our soul collector to 15 per week. Next upgrades cost 5k - 10k anime

[Tiradon]

Yeah these have been stretched out to keep folks playing for sure, the writing is on the wall.

[tangers58]

It's crazy to me how this week's covenant campaign upgrades are ilvl 197. I've been playing every day for the last month gearing up from campaign->normal->heroic->mythic->m+ and this week's covenant/PvP gear basically replaced everything except for a few pieces and now everyone is running around with the same gear and ilvl.

I used to start the week by running some low-mid mythic+ to raise my ilvl so I would have an easier time getting invited to higher m+ but this gear has put everyone on even footing and completely killed my motivation to do any m+. I feel like gearing up was a complete waste of time and I could have just bought the game a month later and been in the exact same spot I am now.

I signed up for an LFR today and was thinking what is the point of even doing this now? Why are the last 2 wings still time gated when the gear is completely worthless and replaced by doing a quest? There's also no point running mythics, low-mid mythic+, LFR, PvP for PvE, or World Quests for gear anymore.

Super disappointed.

I think you are very mistaken about what is considered a high ilvl in this expansion. 197 is not, it is a step above m0 and LFR gear... and not much else.

[Jonnusthegreat]

I think it's funny that everyone complained about m+ not being rewarding, but through the vault it's the most rewarding per effort provided. Blows my mind that a 14 drops about the same loot as a mythic raid. Blows my mind.

[WhirlwindTV]

Yeah I unsubbed 2 weeks back and left pretty much that exact sentence in my reasoning. Games not really enjoyable enough to stay subbed to chomp at the bit for what little new content as it comes, and it feels like any work I put in is undone. It's not really a complaint, as it's still a decent expansion and im sure I'll enjoy it when I come back. It just feels like there's nothing to be gained by playing right now, as a casual player. Which leaves me wondering who it's really supposed to be for.

Except that your entire "reason" for quitting is basically the endless loop of MMO gameplay. Anyone that actually put time into what the endgame has to offer would find very few of the covenant pieces useful. M+7 is not hard at all and is the level of gear that is not invalidated by the covenant pieces, so to say that in the month and a half since the endgame was reachable that even a casual hasn't gotten enough 200+ pieces that they're actually angry that catchup mechanics makes their previous efforts useless is quite disingenuous.

It is less about undoing previous progress (did you have fun playing the previous content? that is the goal) as it is about helping those falling behind from getting too far back. You say there is nothing to be gained, except the thing to be gained now is the exact thing that was to be gained last week, progression up the difficulty ladder for the existing content. If people didn't gear up to play the harder content then the entire game would be the LFR and then you're done. The only thing the catchup gear does is pull you out of the baby leagues that you couldn't get out of fast enough on your own. If I was forming an LFG group for Heroic CN, there isn't a chance in hell i'd take someone that was 180 ilvl or less, which is what you seem to be if you're complaining that the covenant "free" pieces make all your old pieces irrelevant. Congrats, you've progressed to the next level sorry you had to have it handed to you but if you didn't then you were going to have a MUCH harder time doing it for pure lack of invites anyways.

[rhorle]

The gear isn't meaningless. By getting it at the beginning and as you go in teh expansion, you do not have to race the last 2 weeks to catch up. That means you don't feel forced to do that catch up content. The Pre-Shadowlands content I didn't care for. Thanks to having already gotten a good gear level during the expansion, I could ignore that content completely. Heck, I already had the mount since I got it from Utgarde Pinnacle years ago.

There is no race to catch up with gear in order to have better gear while leveling. Literally no gear except the last content patch of an expansion matters. And with the usually catch up gear there is rarely a race to gear up since you don't have to rely on farming or low drops.

You also can not get all of the cosmetics with out having grateful offerings. Those only drop from the Anima Conductor. If you never invest anima in your own conductor you are limited to gaining grateful offerings from the rares. Which means that you have to wait on someone else to activate them. It is far easier and far more efficient to just invest yourself. Also if you don't need the cosmetics right away, your own words, then that means there is no reason to not upgrade your covenant.

Good job defeating your own arguments this entire time.

[rrayy]

There is no race to catch up with gear in order to have better gear while leveling. Literally no gear except the last content patch of an expansion matters. And with the usually catch up gear there is rarely a race to gear up since you don't have to rely on farming or low drops.

Except that is wrong. IF I gear up through out the expansion, I can ignore the last content before patch because I already have enough gear. I can do a whole host of other things because I don't have to get gear.

You also can not get all of the cosmetics with out having grateful offerings. Those only drop from the Anima Conductor. If you never invest anima in your own conductor you are limited to gaining grateful offerings from the rares. Which means that you have to wait on someone else to activate them. It is far easier and far more efficient to just invest yourself. Also if you don't need the cosmetics right away, your own words, then that means there is no reason to not upgrade your covenant.

Good job defeating your own arguments this entire time.

I have done no such thing.

If you read what I wrote, I said all you had to do was unlock the anima conductor level 1. So, there is your greatful offerings. If you don't need the cosmetics right away, there is absolutely zero reason to upgrade your covenant at all after rank 1 of anima conductor. Just by doing the treasure chest each day, you will have enough offerings to cover what you need by the end of the expansion. So, you actually reinforced my argument

[rhorle]

Except that is wrong. IF I gear up through out the expansion, I can ignore the last content before patch because I already have enough gear. I can do a whole host of other things because I don't have to get gear.

No. You don't need to gear up through out the expansion in order to gain an edge while leveling in a new expansion. You just need to gear up with the last content patch. You can not ignore the last content patch if you want the greatest edge. Eternal palace is only item level 78 compared to Nyalotha 110 at normal raid item levels. 78 wouldn't be helping with leveling in Shadowlands. There is not a whole host of other things to do lol.

If you read what I wrote, I said all you had to do was unlock the anima conductor level 1. So, there is your greatful offerings. If you don't need the cosmetics right away, there is absolutely zero reason to upgrade your covenant at all after rank 1 of anima conductor. Just by doing the treasure chest each day, you will have enough offerings to cover what you need by the end of the expansion. So, you actually reinforced my argument

A trickle of greatful offerings a day isn't that great. If you don't need the cosmetics right away then there is zero reason to delay upgrading your covenant. Because what else are you spending the Anima on? You are the one that but the highest value on cosmetics yet now say they have low value. You keep changing the value you yourself assigned just so you will remain right.

You also ignore the cosmetics tied behind rank 3 of the conductor or from leveling up the mini-game. So if cosmetics have low value that they can wait that means that gear or upgrades have a higher value currently. Which undermines your entire argument of value and upgrades being worthless.

[rrayy]

No. You don't need to gear up through out the expansion in order to gain an edge while leveling in a new expansion. You just need to gear up with the last content patch. You can not ignore the last content patch if you want the greatest edge. Eternal palace is only item level 78 compared to Nyalotha 110 at normal raid item levels. 78 wouldn't be helping with leveling in Shadowlands. There is not a whole host of other things to do lol.

Yes you can. I geared up all the way through the last expansion. I was already past the catch up gear when I got to it and that was without doing any doungeons or raids. Anything higher than that is overkill as you are already well over geared for Shadowlands.

A trickle of greatful offerings a day isn't that great. If you don't need the cosmetics right away then there is zero reason to delay upgrading your covenant.

YOu contradict your own argument. IF you don't need the cosmetics right way, then you don't need to touch your covenant upgrades at all. You will get them simply by generating the greatful offerigns with the anima conductor rank 1. v

Because what else are you spending the Anima on? You are the one that but the highest value on cosmetics yet now say they have low value. You keep changing the value you yourself assigned just so you will remain right.

Again, putting words in my mouth. I never said cosmetics had high value. All I said is that they had higher value than the covenant upgrades since you will leave the upgrades behind. Costmeics still have low value, but still higher than the covenant upgrades which have almost no value.You are twisting what I say so you can claim you are right.

You also ignore the cosmetics tied behind rank 3 of the conductor or from leveling up the mini-game. So if cosmetics have low value that they can wait that means that gear or upgrades have a higher value currently. Which undermines your entire argument of value and upgrades being worthless.

Nope. You are simply setting the value level arbitrarily so you can claim I undermine my own argument. As I have saiod from the beginning, cosmetics have higher value than the covenant upgrades, but that doesn't mean cosmetics have high value themselves. It just means that covenant upgrades have almost no value to start with.

[anon5123]

Shouldn't have played the game then. Everything you do to get equip will always be invalidated when the catch-up mechanisms start working. The only permanent things are cosmetics and achievements.

This. Are you new, OP? WoW has had catch-up mechanics like this ever since TBC.

[rhorle]

Yes you can. I geared up all the way through the last expansion. I was already past the catch up gear when I got to it and that was without doing any doungeons or raids. Anything higher than that is overkill as you are already well over geared for Shadowlands.

But any gear prior to the last patch is meaningless. You don't have to gear up through out the entire expansion just to get an edge while leveling. You just have to get gear from the last patch prior to the expansion. I don't get why you keep trying to claim that you need to gear up with every patch just to get an edge for a new expansion. A person that started in 8.3 will have the same exact edge as you even though you played throughout the entire expansion. Because the only thing that matters to get an edge while leveling is the last patch before the expansion.

So you didn't say cosmetics had high value but they have a higher value. I am not twisting anything that you have said. I am assigning value based on the arguments you have made. Ignoring covenant upgrades increases the difficulty to get all cosmetics. So if you are interested in cosmetics which you assigned a high value then you need to also do the covenant upgrades.