Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Felya]

You sound like you need to be on a watch list.

You got to love how leftist are both... the violent extremists and tree hugging cucks... the evil liberal is a transformer... when you need them to be violent extremists demanding social justice or economic equality for the middle class... Right wing media is there to scare you... when you need them to be pussies that will destroy manhood as a whole and create men that wear dresses, instead of holsters... Right wing media is there to tell you they are weak and deserve to be trampled...

For the right, the left represents everything from a hard core communist to an anarchist to putting a Hitler mustache on Obama. How can someone be born believing in everything and nothing, at the same time? As soon as they are born... did they go... Whaaaa?!? Or... Whaaaa!!! Why hasn’t that reaction change since? Why is that still the default mode of a conservative?

[Ursus]

You got to love how leftist are both... the violent extremists and tree hugging cucks... the evil liberal is a transformer... when you need them to be violent extremists demanding social justice or economic equality for the middle class... Right wing media is there to scare you... when you need them to be pussies that will destroy manhood as a whole and create men that wear dresses, instead of holsters... Right wing media is there to tell you they are weak and deserve to be trampled...

For the right, the left represents everything from a hard core communist to an anarchist to putting a Hitler mustache on Obama. How can someone be born believing in everything and nothing, at the same time? As soon as they are born... did they go... Whaaaa?!? Or... Whaaaa!!! Why hasn’t that reaction change since? Why is that still the default mode of a conservative?

They have an extreme sense of entitlement. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I would bet that a good number of these people have undiagnosed/untreated mental illnesses. I'm not saying that facetiously or as an insult, it's just a matter of fact.

Everyone has to care about their feelings, while they refuse to care about anyone else's. Everyone has to adapt to them, while they refuse to adapt to anyone else. Everyone has to compromise with them, while they refuse to compromise.

When their guy wins, they see it as a mandate to completely steamroll over any opposition. When their guy loses, they see the opposition as having a mandate to compromise and give in to them to heal the country.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think a lot are just tired of the double standards.

I agree with you entering and occupying a state building while armed is terrorism I see a lot of the same people covering for BLM who if the situation was reversed would be calling this a peaceful protest.

I know your first instinct is going to be to decry they are not the same and I agree but it's hard to get outraged over political violence after years of it.

I don't really have any complaints so far with how charges are being handled I wouldn't agree to charging everyone involved the same that being said.

It's funny how people always try to equate some knocked over trash cans and broken windows from Antifa/BLM with the capitol insurrection/coup attempt on Jan 6th. It's yet another weak attempt at a "BOTH SIDES" argument.

Let's not forget that when BLM were in DC to express how mad they were that police love to target them for unlawful killings, the national guard and DC police were out in force and riot gear, ready and waiting for any violence that didn't end up happening. When Trump and the entire Trumpshere called for people to descend on Washington to "Stop the Steal" (i.e. overthrow a democratic process in a coupe attempt) the police were busy eating Jelly donuts and the national guard wasn't called in until Pence called them in.

For all the limp arguments that systemic racism doesn't exist, there are few finer examples than this. But more than that, you really really REALLY don't want to start a "both sides" argument between Jan 6th capitol riots and BLM/antifa. That's not an argument you're going to win. Ever. Just to start off with, right wing riots tend to end up with a body count and almost always start off with violence, rather than ending in it.

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You fully support tyranny of the majority that makes them freedom fighters.

I love how the justification for the 2016 win was that there was some silent majority who wanted things Trump's way, and that the majority had spoken in a fair democratic election, thus meaning things had to be as they were.

Now that it's clear that the silent majority thing was BS and people don't in fact want things Trump's way, the line of the Trumpkins is to cry about "the tyranny of the majority" ahhhh sweet delicious irony.

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An interesting article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/online-fa...215000078.html

Title: Online far-right movements fracture in wake of Capitol riot over 'gullible' QAnon believers







I'm not sure what to make of this at this time. One of my first thoughts is: how could national security be so lax last Wednesday? One of my second thoughts is: this explains why so much military is being deployed for next week.

The news will be ... exciting ... next week.

The right is being split among the QAnon nutters who answered the call to violent action over lunatic conspiracy theories created on dementia fueled drug highs, and those who want an actual real coordinated insurrection in the future? Color me shocked. At least we know the right tells the truth in their "safe spaces" like 4chan, that no matter what, they plan some sort of violent insurrection. But most of us who've been paying attention knew that the right always saying "I don't want violence" was a giant pile of horse manure.

But for the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they don't want violence - they're just willing to resort to it if they don't get their way.

[Felya]

They have an extreme sense of entitlement.

This is very obviously fake... do not spam the thread debating if it is or not, like the comment section on the video... don’t be YouTube commentators... obviously fake...

[Krakan]

Nah. You're just lying. You can't possibly actually believe this is true.



They aren't the same.

You're comparing largely peaceful protests to the worst attack on the US Capitol since 1814. You've lost touch with reality if you can't see the difference.

All you're doing is trying to dishonestly "both sides" the situation, to pretend that left-wing violence is even in the same zip code as right-wing violence in the USA.

It isn't.

Factually, objectively. This isn't a matter of opinion.

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

I don't see the reasoning behind flat out trying to redefine reality to take a moral high ground. It's been years of violent political riots you can't be this up in arms about a bloody nose now.

[Thrundi]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

I don't see the reasoning behind flat out trying to redefine reality to take a moral high ground. It's been years of violent political riots you can't be this up in arms about a bloody nose now.

A cop beaten to death with a fire extinguisher during a coup to overthrow a democratic election is a bloody nose. I'm sure blue live matter and stuff.
Which all happened when ... ?
Their feelings were hurt. And no cops attacked them whatsoever, contrary to every BLM protest, or whisper of protest, or thought of maybe protesting, which were met with NG deployments.

No matter how much you may want to equate the two, all you'll accomplish is paint yourself a little more dumb and racist. And fascist and violent. And dishonest and self centered
Charming, really.

And that's without even touching the fact that BLM protests are rooted in a despicable injustice and totally justified, no matter how some people (including your buddies from the right) try to drag it into riots

[Endus]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

That's a straight up lie. 19 people died in and around the BLM protests, and the majority were either accidental, killed by police, killed by right-wing terrorists counter-protesting, or by criminals taking advantage of the chaos created by the protests (but not motivated by BLM itself).

The few remaining basically boil down to cases where not enough is known to lay any blame.

And that's across hundreds of protests over months.

You're lying to protect and support domestic terrorists. Your "both sides" horseshit is dishonest.

[pathora44]

So this is something we have all realized and seen was coming but it is good that those in the FBI and others are recognizing the dangers that brewing Y'all Qaeda means. Here is a section of it because I don't want to post the whole article but ya Trump is creating his own American version of Al Qaeda here in America we like to call Y'all Qaeda.

http://https://www.yahoo.com/news/at...100000381.html

Retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal was formerly the head of Joint Special Operations Command in Iraq and the commander of all U.S. and allied troops fighting the Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan. “I did see a similar dynamic in the evolution of al-Qaida in Iraq, where a whole generation of angry Arab youth with very poor prospects followed a powerful leader who promised to take them back in time to a better place, and he led them to embrace an ideology that justified their violence. This is now happening in America,” McChrystal told Yahoo News.

A radical group of citizens have adopted a very hard-line view of the country, he noted, that echoes the Lost Cause narrative that took root in the old South after the Civil War. “Only President Trump has updated Lost Cause with his ‘Stop the Steal’ narrative that they lost because of a stolen election, and that is the only thing holding these people down and stopping them from assuming their rightful place in society,” McChrystal said. “That gives them legitimacy to become even more radical. I think we’re much further along in this radicalization process, and facing a much deeper problem as a country, than most Americans realize.”

[Cthulhu 2020]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

This is just hilariously wrong, but Endus has already covered the body count issue. DHS, FBI, and even CIA have all listed right wing militia groups, right wing hate groups, white supremacist groups, neo nazis, and right wing insurrectionists as the greatest threat to America both in terms of property damage and body count over both Antifa, BLM and fucking Islamic Terrorism.

Remember when Trump started his presidency by blowing that dog whistle about extremist islamic terrorism being bad and needing to be stopped? Imagine how funny it is for the rest of us that the right is now considered a bigger threat to American property than Islamic Terrorists by official government agencies.

I'd say this is something of a dangerous precedent, as it sets up the right as the enemy of the state... but... well... it wasn't the government that fired the first shot. The right has made their intentions clear. The QAnon nutters raided the capitol on Jan 6th. The rest of the right on Trump forums and 4chan are mad at QAnon now because they've now made it far more difficult for FUTURE INSURRECTION ATTEMPTS.

The right has made themselves the enemy, and my early January was filled with wonderful schadenfreude as I got to watch insurrectionists dragged off by capitol police and then the videos of their dread and hopelessness as they realized that they are now the terrorists in the US.

I hope and pray the right learns their lesson, and stops trying to forcefully seize power. I hope the right can return to a peaceful place where civil discourse happens in polite manner. But well, the right has always had that seething affinity for violence showing through the cracks in the veneer of their faux-civil behavior. There's likely going to be a far more serious insurrection attempt at some point in the future, but I'm not worried. The regressive conservative faction has always been on the losing side in American history. From the Royalists in the Revolutionary war to the South in the Civil war, even conflicts like the civil rights movement, the regressive right has ALWAYS lost.

And to be clear, the right has always tried to use the "THEY'RE THE ACTUAL VIOLENT ONES" after inciting the violence themselves. They shoot first, then blame the other guy for shooting back. The civil rights movement is a terrific example. Peaceful protests by African Americans were peaceful until white supremacists showed up and began fighting and bickering, escalating tensions, beating African Americans in the street, dragging them behind vehicles, vandalizing their homes, etc. That's always been a right wing tactic in America - shoot first, then blame the other guy for the violence that ensues.

[TigTone]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

I don't see the reasoning behind flat out trying to redefine reality to take a moral high ground. It's been years of violent political riots you can't be this up in arms about a bloody nose now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...t-2019-1%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...mation-league/

[alexw]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

I don't see the reasoning behind flat out trying to redefine reality to take a moral high ground. It's been years of violent political riots you can't be this up in arms about a bloody nose now.

You are living in an alternate reality if you believe this.

There have been numerous terrorist attacks over the last few years by right wing extremists like this one, this one, and this one.

Without a shadow of a doubt the greatest security threat the US faces is from homegrown right wing terrorists. Its what the various three-letter security services believe, and they are right.

[szechuan]

You are living in an alternate reality if you believe this.

There have been numerous terrorist attacks over the last few years by right wing extremists like this one, this one, and this one.

Without a shadow of a doubt the greatest security threat the US faces is from homegrown right wing terrorists. Its what the various three-letter security services believe, and they are right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretch...idnapping_plot

[Blur4stuff]

Right wingers have been creating bombs and murdering people. I'd feel a helluva lot safer being next to a BLM supporter than a Trump supporter.

Some BLM may be angry, but there's a rational reason for it. It's not just random nonsense. These Trump supporters, however, believe crazy conspiracy shit that isn't grounded in reality. They could come up with any reason at all to harm others.

[Ursus]

Remember when Trump started his presidency by blowing that dog whistle about extremist islamic terrorism being bad and needing to be stopped? Imagine how funny it is for the rest of us that the right is now considered a bigger threat to American property than Islamic Terrorists by official government agencies.

I am calling for a complete and total shutdown of MAGAts entering DC and any state capital until we can figure out what the hell is going on.

[Logwyn]

That’s an argument to make it a public utility, not one that hinders their ability to moderate their own product.

What the internet? The internet is a utility as much as telephone, water, power, and gas are. Companies can be levied fines if they do not have it up and running in a reasonable time frame.

[Bodakane]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

With apologies to @Breccia, you have 24 hours to post actual numbers to support this claim or your failure to do so proves you are willingly lying about all if this.

[pathora44]

With apologies to @Breccia, you have 24 hours to post actual numbers to support this claim or your failure to do so proves you are willingly lying about all if this.

Hey I got @Krakan back here because for to long we have turned a blind eye to the horrible massacre wrought by the vile Antifas and BLMs of the world. The horrible injustice of thousands of innocent lives lost during the deadly riots. Democrats and liberals have refused to acknowledge the greatest tragedy of lost lives in U.S. history. I am of course referring to TCLM or for laymans Trash Can Lives Matter. All of those precious trash can lives lost. Husbands and fathers trash cans smashed in front of their families and little baby trash cans left orphaned as they watched their parents burned from the inside out. When will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge the greatest tragedy the world has ever seen.

[Zan15]

You are correct they would need to take many more lives and do millions more in property damage to be close to equal in terms of BLM.

I don't see the reasoning behind flat out trying to redefine reality to take a moral high ground. It's been years of violent political riots you can't be this up in arms about a bloody nose now.

how much a day do you think it cost to station 25,000 national guard members in DC?

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news...14.5%20million.

Back in june for 5,000 or so NG members it was 14.5 million

Two U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said it cost about $530 per Guard member, per day to be deployed.
The D.C. National Guard said in a statement that the cost per day of up to 5,000 National Guard members was about $2.65 million.

So based on the NG figures right now our burn rate is 15 million dollars just to protect the capital a day best case scenario.


They might get to BLM cost just on the NG burn by itself before you even calculate in the property and economic loss.

[Krakan]

That's a straight up lie. 19 people died in and around the BLM protests, and the majority were either accidental, killed by police, killed by right-wing terrorists counter-protesting, or by criminals taking advantage of the chaos created by the protests (but not motivated by BLM itself).

The few remaining basically boil down to cases where not enough is known to lay any blame.

And that's across hundreds of protests over months.

You're lying to protect and support domestic terrorists. Your "both sides" horseshit is dishonest.

Where any of the killings intentional at the event beyond those done by law enforcement?

I think you are rather confused about what I'm getting at though. They are not equivalents but for years now violence has been shown to be considered a valid extension of protesting it's been done with a clear blessing in the states.

Race,political , dehumanizing and good old witch hunts. All the evils of the past are being resurrected for political points the future is going to be extremely interesting.

[Felya]

What the internet? The internet is a utility as much as telephone, water, power, and gas are. Companies can be levied fines if they do not have it up and running in a reasonable time frame.

Social media......